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Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

07:31 PM - June 11, 2012 by Steve_OS

While most of the Madden NFL 13 news out of E3 seems to be positive, we now have something that could turn into a very big issue. Especially if you enjoy roster editing or use edited rosters created by others.

There seemed to be some confusion about edited rosters. More specifically, if edited rosters could be used in Connected Careers Mode.

I sent a few messages to Justin Dewiel, Community Manager at EA Sports earlier this afternoon and received the following responses.

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	You can edit rosters outside of CC. But you can�t bring them into CC. If you start a new CCM career after one of Donny Moore�s releases you can start with that new roster.

Basically, we have to rely on Donny Moore's roster updates, throughout the season, instead of grabbing updated rosters from the many talented roster editors out there, or simply editing on our own.

Jean Adams, Art Director for Madden NFL 13, mentioned the following, in his presentation blog, which was posted in late April.

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	Mixing and matching the new NIKE uniforms, cleats, face masks, sleeves and other yet to be released gear will keep me and many gamers out there in edit player for hours.

Hmmm. I somehow doubt many gamers will be playing around much in edit player, if we can't use the edits in anything other than a Play Now session.

Josh Looman, Madden NFL 13 Senior Designer mentioned on Twitter the following glimmer of hope.

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	We just ran out of time. It will be in there at some point in the future.

Does he mean Madden NFL 14 or could the Madden NFL 13 team add the editing ability in a Title Update or fix the issue before its August 28th release date? I think I speak for everyone, when I say the sooner, the better.

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# 481 bichettehappens @ 06/12/12 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by briz1744


	sorry new phone and haven't worked out how to do that yet , ther is a link posted on page 25ish of this thread tho

I think it's www.easports.com/gamechangers/ideas

# 482 Bigmac612 @ 06/12/12 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mestevo


	More people would be upset if all we got was 12 with the Infinity Engine and a promise for more next year, while this cycle's resources went into something that wasn't even released. Pushing CCM to 14 because of an incompatibility with a few features resulting in them being removed is a pretty easy decision to not make IMO. I think a lot of people are underestimating or don't really appreciate the direction, in the name of wallowing in the outrage. It's not perfect, and that sucks however much it may affect you. Make the best of the situation and look to next year. If that means not buying it them so be it, speak with your wallet. Completely understandable.

ARGHHHHHH!!!!! Im so sick of this "wait till next year" crap!!! I mean how long have we been sayin this about Madden?? Seriously??

One thing i can always guarantee about madden regarding "Next Year" is...around April-May they will give you some Awesome hopeful "that this will finally be the year" type news...thennnn around june-july you start hearing bits of the bad news...sooo now your high hopes are a mainly dashed but you still hold on to the littleeeee inch of hope that everything will work out in the end....but here comes August...when the game is finally in hand then you realized everything that they advertised was broken..and now...well u just go along with it and learn to accept it for the weak wack ish it is cause its the only NFL game on the market and force yourself to make the best out of it...pretty sure its gon be more of that same ish "next year"....

Madden is the only big game that does this, the others your more like "damn, i wonder how they gon add any more to this awesome sh.."...

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# 483 Pacman83 @ 06/12/12 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tazdevil20


	Give me a break here man. No one is saying that at all. You are assuming there are workarounds because you don't care about that mode. Not to mention there were no sliders in online franchise. That's beside the point. You are upset now because YOUR favorite thing is finally being taken out. It sucks and in no way is it acceptable. It's not acceptable to anyone, including those of us who are not affected. No one is saying, "I told you so". It's just interesting to see the reactions, because I think it has enabled a lot of football fans to really understand what is so frustrating about EA football. This IS a uniting element. No one wants to see features eliminated no matter what.

There are several functioning Online Franchises using external sites...and no you're not saying it. But it is being said. Guys would rather have an Online Franchise that's "greatly" improved over M12 offline, than for EVERYONE to get an mode that's functional. How is that uniting?..Give me a break.

Ex)

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	So you are pretty much saying, don't add CCM this year which greatly improves the feature set of bare bones online Franchise, just so offline can continue have things like player editing, import rosters, etc? Or don't add CCM this year, instead update online franchise mode to include M12's features, leaving out the storylines, XP system and all the general new features in CCM, just so offline can continue to have the options they are accustomed to? If those are the only other options, I prefer the way EA/Tiburon decided to do it this year. I see it as they took ONE YEAR of release to combine these modes with some limited options, so going forward a raising tide will raise all boats, after YEARS of inequality in the Superstar, online and offline Franchise modes.

So basically offline/online switched places. (Could argue that offline is worse) And now "its okay" cause we're all moving forward together? lol.

# 484 cuttingteeth @ 06/12/12 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman83


	There are several functioning Online Franchises using external sites...and no you're not saying it. But it is being said. Guys would rather have an Online Franchise that's "greatly" improved over M12 offline, than for EVERYONE to get an mode that's functional. How is that uniting?..Give me a break. Ex) So basically offline/online switched places. (Could argue that offline is worse) And now "its okay" cause we're all moving forward together? lol.

Dude, I already tried to point out the same thing in the middle of this thread. They won't hear the sense you're making.

# 485 SteelerSpartan @ 06/12/12 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SoxFan01605


	I also don't dispute that online guys have gotten it worse over the years at all (THAT, is a 100% valid point). Nor am I saying you, or anyone else who isn't impacted by these limitations should care or feel sorry, etc. People care about what they care about...it's all subjective. But do you really think offline players don't know what it's like to be limited? We just got back some of the features we had for years in 12 and that STILL doesn't equate to where Madden should be or even was at one point. Point being, with Madden, no one has really "won" for quite some time. If we come together on any point, it should be that Madden has failed to strike a balance for their consumers and there shouldn't be any reason to have "sides" in the first place. CCM may indeed remedy that in the future, but IMO, where EA dropped the ball is that rather than bring everyone UP to the same standard of control and options, they simply lowered the bar. That's why I'm disappointed in 13. We'll see how it goes in the future though.

Very Well Said

Yep we should be pushing them to do more in all areas...

# 486 PacMan3000 @ 06/12/12 05:48 PM

Question for those that play other sports games, because I'm mostly only an NFL guy...

Do other companies who make basketball, hockey, soccer, and baseball games remove features or often announce an inability to get something in a game (or back in a game)? I honestly don't know if this is a Madden thing, or if it's typical of games that get released every year and are on a tighter schedule than say, Call of Duty, where two companies trade off releasing a new game each year, giving them two years to develop the final product.

# 487 TheBleedingRed21 @ 06/12/12 05:50 PM

If you look at game changers ideas, it shows that Fantasy Draft is above editing.. I hope they don't implement that before editing...

# 488 jpollard25 @ 06/12/12 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rbowers7


	If you look at game changers ideas, it shows that Fantasy Draft is above editing.. I hope they don't implement that before editing...

Agreed...go vote...

# 489 BTownSlinger @ 06/12/12 05:58 PM

I just need some clarity, I have read some pages - but not all.

I like to create myself inside the game and play in franchise. I'm not sure how many people do that, and it may sound weird to some of you.. But I enjoy doing it. I actually create a few players.

With NCAA, I actually had the joy of creating myself in NCAA, playing, importing and drafting myself into Madden. Was a cool experience. Obviously this year, that route won't work. So I figured I'd create myself in the roster, then just start a season in the new "franchise" Connected Career's mode. Basically what I'm reading, is that isn't possible either.. Is that correct?

# 490 Pacman83 @ 06/12/12 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	I don't understand why some people seem to have attached a stigma of some sort to "online". All it means is playing the game over the internets opposed to on the same console. IMO, this ridiculous notion that online play is synonymous with "cheese" and gamers that have a totally different goal when playing the game than offline gamers, has no merit. Utilizing an online connection to play Madden against other people around the nation, does not predisposition a gamer to a certain playstyle. Online is not the same moniker as causal, tourney or sim gamers, it just means playing over the internet. Madden now has one CCM mode and its' applicable features that have online, ie internet, integration, that gamers can choose to use or not. CCM is online integrated so any features included in that mode should be too, imo. So until imported draft classes, player editing and 32 team control from one console/profile can be somehow online integrated, they have been left out of this online integrated mode. There is no more improving Franchise separately for offline and online gamers, it's just improving one CCM for everybody.

I've played online, I've bought friends Madden to play online franchise. I've also had games where people "cheat the game". I'm a gamer. It happens in every game. However, I prefer offline and what used to be there. 32 team control and all. It's about more than football.

# 491 DNMHIII @ 06/12/12 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	There is no more improving Franchise separately for offline and online gamers, it's just improving one CCM for everybody.

We get it man....its just that for some reason EA decided the best way to do this would be to just about completely gut the offline experience completely and eliminate entire modes of playing the game. Could you imagine if EA just cut online completely and thats all you played because this is actually happening to some people with the changes that are being made.

# 492 SoxFan01605 @ 06/12/12 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BTownSlinger


	I just need some clarity, I have read some pages - but not all. I like to create myself inside the game and play in franchise. I'm not sure how many people do that, and it may sound weird to some of you.. But I enjoy doing it. I actually create a few players. With NCAA, I actually had the joy of creating myself in NCAA, playing, importing and drafting myself into Madden. Was a cool experience. Obviously this year, that route won't work. So I figured I'd create myself in the roster, then just start a season in the new "franchise" Connected Career's mode. Basically what I'm reading, is that isn't possible either.. Is that correct?

That is correct. Your roster options are default or EA roster updates. No custom rosters. Your CAP option is to start an individual career.

# 493 aholbert32 @ 06/12/12 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PacMan3000


	Question for those that play other sports games, because I'm mostly only an NFL guy... Do other companies who make basketball, hockey, soccer, and baseball games remove features or often announce an inability to get something in a game (or back in a game)? I honestly don't know if this is a Madden thing, or if it's typical of games that get released every year and are on a tighter schedule than say, Call of Duty, where two companies trade off releasing a new game each year, giving them two years to develop the final product.

They dont. The Show adds to its Franchise and modes each year.

NBA2k has only added to its franchise since it moved to next gen.

Even EA games like NHL and Fifa add to its franchise mode.

# 494 malky @ 06/12/12 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PacMan3000


	Question for those that play other sports games, because I'm mostly only an NFL guy... Do other companies who make basketball, hockey, soccer, and baseball games remove features or often announce an inability to get something in a game (or back in a game)? I honestly don't know if this is a Madden thing, or if it's typical of games that get released every year and are on a tighter schedule than say, Call of Duty, where two companies trade off releasing a new game each year, giving them two years to develop the final product.

To answer your question not really. Which begs the question the madden team for the past two to three years can look at the gold standard of sports games The show and nba2k and model everything after them yet they continue to go against what's working for everybody else. Hmmm I wonder why? That's a rhetorical question because most have known for years why

# 495 SoxFan01605 @ 06/12/12 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aholbert32


	They dont. The Show adds to its Franchise and modes each year. NBA2k has only added to its franchise since it moved to next gen. Even EA games like NHL and Fifa add to its franchise mode.

Yeah, the only other game I can think of that followed a similar trend as Madden (in terms of feature inconsistency) was MLB 2K.

# 496 BTownSlinger @ 06/12/12 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SoxFan01605


	That is correct. Your roster options are default or EA roster updates. No custom rosters. Your CAP option is to start an individual career.

Thank you. Saddens me bad. This was my only hope after no no imported drafts. Sadly this is a game breaker for me and I will not be picking this one up.

Here's to Madden '14.

# 497 Bigmac612 @ 06/12/12 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	I am not referring to people being rude though, I guess I am more so referring to the attitude that Looman "owes us" more than what he has already done. Familiarity breeds contempt comes to mind when thinking about this. Looman has told people what will not be in the game, given his explanation and POV on it so I don't see what more people expect from him. He is not some elected official or something and it's not like the game is even out yet and people bought it before finding this out. I understand the disappointment and know all too well how it feels but this tweeter stuff about Looman is being blown out of proportion, imo.

Mannnnn he hadnt said S***...if he was real bout his, he would have explained to us everything that wasnt gonna be there at E3 w/ the many CC interviews he did,...i mean EVERYTHING...we shouldnt even have to ask him..with issues this important to ppl..he should had the decency to come out and tell us straight up like a man, only thing he did was answer vaguely about questions from the "community" that Dewiel was reading off a paper..which leads me to believe they were ?s specifically picked by them for that piece...surely they wasnt going to pick any of these type ?s we have...which im sure was submitted...Period

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# 498 themassacre771.1 @ 06/12/12 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by slick589


	what does everyone think the chances are that equipment and number editing and/or custom ccm rosters get added before release or via patch?

There is potential with a good, respectful, push from us the consumers.

# 499 Pacman83 @ 06/12/12 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tazdevil20


	No, that's not what I said at all. You are so hung up on the online vs. offline that you are choosing only to see what you think you want to and not what I am saying. I have never advocated one over the other. I was always pushing for a united experience where there was simply a franchise mode and you could play online with friends or by yourself. Everything should work the same. I'm not going to argue with you because it doesn't matter what is said here, you will continue to feel that your mode is all that matters and the reason why you lost what you liked was because of the "online" community. I'm here to tell you that is not correct, but that doesn't matter because you are hell bent on seeing it how you want to. TAKING AWAY FEATURES FOR ANY GAME MODE SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE. PERIOD. It has nothing to do with online or offline or the facet of the game that it was taken from. It should not occur if it doesn't have to. It will continue to happen when only one game is being produced. The only reason why some folks like Big and a few others brought up the online crowd and how we felt was to let you know that there are others who do not play the game the way you do that can empathize with you. Instead, you are looking at it from the "I told you so" point of view. Couldn't be further from the truth. When things are absent from the game after they were there, it affects people the same way. Your situation is not unique to what Tiburon has been doing to many other football gamers for years. It does not make it any more acceptable regardless of the piece of the game that was removed.

--What?? lol, not really, I actually agree with you're stance. I'm not sure you're reading my post correctly to see where my problem lies. I have no problem with online, at all. However, online franchise functionality had a lot to do with the reason offline was stripped. I do believe that. And my posts are more directed towards the perspective of Big's post, especially #503, not yours. I responded to you directly, but only with the first part. And like I said, you didn't say it, but it was said. Meaning I'm not referring to you.

# 500 TrapStar215 @ 06/12/12 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by slick589


	what does everyone think the chances are that equipment and number editing and/or custom ccm rosters get added before release or via patch?

Honestly, I don't see it happening at all. If it doesn't I will never buy it.

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