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Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

07:31 PM - June 11, 2012 by Steve_OS

While most of the Madden NFL 13 news out of E3 seems to be positive, we now have something that could turn into a very big issue. Especially if you enjoy roster editing or use edited rosters created by others.

There seemed to be some confusion about edited rosters. More specifically, if edited rosters could be used in Connected Careers Mode.

I sent a few messages to Justin Dewiel, Community Manager at EA Sports earlier this afternoon and received the following responses.

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	You can edit rosters outside of CC. But you can�t bring them into CC. If you start a new CCM career after one of Donny Moore�s releases you can start with that new roster.

Basically, we have to rely on Donny Moore's roster updates, throughout the season, instead of grabbing updated rosters from the many talented roster editors out there, or simply editing on our own.

Jean Adams, Art Director for Madden NFL 13, mentioned the following, in his presentation blog, which was posted in late April.

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	Mixing and matching the new NIKE uniforms, cleats, face masks, sleeves and other yet to be released gear will keep me and many gamers out there in edit player for hours.

Hmmm. I somehow doubt many gamers will be playing around much in edit player, if we can't use the edits in anything other than a Play Now session.

Josh Looman, Madden NFL 13 Senior Designer mentioned on Twitter the following glimmer of hope.

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	We just ran out of time. It will be in there at some point in the future.

Does he mean Madden NFL 14 or could the Madden NFL 13 team add the editing ability in a Title Update or fix the issue before its August 28th release date? I think I speak for everyone, when I say the sooner, the better.

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# 461 briz1744 @ 06/12/12 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ForUntoOblivionSoar∞


	55 pages of complaints about this, but I wonder how many people who posted in this thread will complain with their wallets? And even if they did, would that sway anyone's opinion? Maybe if consumers did what they did to Michael Jackson when Nirvana's second album came out (returned a bunch of Jackson albums, which put Nevermind at number 1 by default). Clearly taking AWAY options doesn't bode well. Ask the 2K guys who did this with All Pro Football. Didn't work out too well for them, did it? This is a bad move for EA, and maybe if the response is drastic enough, someone might weezle their way into ending the exclusive license. Either way, they will lose at least SOME money over this if it isn't addressed ASAP.

And seriously people 54 pages of people complaining and only 7 votes on the gamechangers site to have it returned?

# 462 msdm27 @ 06/12/12 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	I honestly don't blame Josh Looman for blocking his tweety bird or whatever because I don't see what else he can say. He already told us that they combined the three modes so that going forward all applicable resources can be centered on improving that one mode instead of three separate. He also said that he was adamant that if something couldn't be put in CCM right, it wouldn't be added at all. I wouldn't keep repeating myself if I were him either, you either believe him or you don't and him saying the same thing different ways won't change that, imo. If he doesn't have anything good to tweet back to you guys, it's probably best not to tweet to you at all and vice versa, imo. lol *Considering the strides offline Franchise made in M12* and the features touted in the first year of CCM for M13, that trend bodes well for just how improved CCM for Madden 14 could potentially be, imo.

How about not adding CCM until it was actually ready and not missing all the features they took away?

lol the core of the strides offline franchise made in M12 WAS MOSTLY PLAYER EDITING!

but big picture, I agree with the spirit of your post. At this point we can only hope M13 CCM is just a launching point for better things to come.

# 463 themassacre771.1 @ 06/12/12 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM


	What's yours? Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2

My point is to understand your point. That is , if you are even making one

# 464 buttons0662 @ 06/12/12 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by briz1744


	And seriously people 54 pages of people complaining and only 7 votes on the gamechangers site to have it returned?

Where can I find this Vote?

# 465 msdm27 @ 06/12/12 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AttackAttack


	Am the only one that didn't like M12 franchise at all? I couldn't play more than two games because there was nothing to keep my feeling like I was in a living league

I don't think it was immersive but at least I had the chance to edit things as I wanted and basically create my own storylines. That added imagination/re-play value to me....

On M13 though, their idea of a "living league" as giving me tweets from Skip Bayless

# 466 Pacman83 @ 06/12/12 05:00 PM

Lol...

There were work arounds for Online Franchises. They functioned just fine, just incomplete. There are plenty ways out there.

There were work arounds for Gameplay. Sliders sets all around.

There are no work arounds for Offline franchises they want to edit, import, control +1 team, or even watch another game. None.

You guys can be happy you got your online ish in the game. But this perspective of "now you know how we feel"/"told you so" isn't as uniting as you'd think. I personally don't care about online, so I prolly didn't/wouldn't even comment. Please do the same, as I don't see the purpose otherwise.

# 467 87Birdman @ 06/12/12 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by msdm27


	How about not adding CCM until it was actually ready and not missing all the features they took away? lol the core of the strides offline franchise made in M12 WAS MOSTLY PLAYER EDITING! but big picture, I agree with the spirit of your post. At this point we can only hope M13 CCM is just a launching point for better things to come.

I think the reason for this may have been that then the online would still be bare. Maybe they ran some numbers and figured that there would be more people would use the online features more than the edit player features. But that is just a guess.

But I do have to agree this could be a great launching point for the series, and lets hope they can make everyone happy next year lol.

# 468 DNMHIII @ 06/12/12 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AttackAttack


	Am the only one that didn't like M12 franchise at all? I couldn't play more than two games because there was nothing to keep my feeling like I was in a living league

So bad and stale........I don't play online because I lost interest in it a while back and I don't do play now games, so all I had was franchise and it got really boring. I probably had more fun editing players, importing real NCAA players into the draft, and tweaking my custom playbook than I did actually playing the mode. The games were ok because its all we had, but the feel of running a franchise was almost completely absent IMO.

# 469 Playmakers @ 06/12/12 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aholbert32


	Yep, Madden is the only sports game where they take away features and control and people actually defend that decision. You know how pissed people would be if you couldn't edit accessories in NBA2k anymore?

exactly....

this game is no buy for me.

The 1st Madden i can recall not purchasing in like forever LOL!

# 470 mestevo @ 06/12/12 05:09 PM

More people would be upset if all we got was 12 with the Infinity Engine and a promise for more next year, while this cycle's resources went into something that wasn't even released.

Pushing CCM to 14 because of an incompatibility with a few features resulting in them being removed is a pretty easy decision to not make IMO.

I think a lot of people are underestimating or don't really appreciate the direction, in the name of wallowing in the outrage.

It's not perfect, and that sucks however much it may affect you. Make the best of the situation and look to next year. If that means not buying it them so be it, speak with your wallet. Completely understandable.

# 471 msdm27 @ 06/12/12 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	So you are pretty much saying, don't add CCM this year which greatly improves the feature set of bare bones online Franchise, just so offline can continue have things like player editing, import rosters, etc? Or don't add CCM this year, instead update online franchise mode to include M12's features, leaving out the storylines, XP system and all the general new features in CCM, just so offline can continue to have the options they are accustomed to? If those are the only other options, I prefer the way EA/Tiburon decided to do it this year. I see it as they took ONE YEAR of release to combine these modes with some limited options, so going forward a raising tide will raise all boats, after YEARS of inequality in the Superstar, online and offline Franchise modes.

You're assuming all those things they added will work... I know those things they took out helped us fix all the things they added in the past that didn't work. But as I clearly said in my first post, I believe this was a step in the right direction.

Also if you look at your original post, you referred to the strides made by M12 as a reason for hope, my reply was those strides were mostly full player editing (and now they took it out) so that reason for hope should be dimmed a little, just sayin'

# 472 TreFacTor @ 06/12/12 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by briz1744


	And seriously people 54 pages of people complaining and only 7 votes on the gamechangers site to have it returned?

Do many people know about this? link?

# 473 DMorganU44 @ 06/12/12 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	I honestly don't blame Josh Looman for blocking his tweety bird or whatever because I don't see what else he can say. He already told us that they combined the three modes so that going forward all applicable resources can be centered on improving that one mode instead of three separate. He also said that he was adamant that if something couldn't be put in CCM right, it wouldn't be added at all. I wouldn't keep repeating myself if I were him either, you either believe him or you don't and him saying the same thing different ways won't change that, imo. If he doesn't have anything good to tweet back to you guys, it's probably best not to tweet to you at all and vice versa, imo. lol Considering the strides offline Franchise made in M12 and the features touted in the first year of CCM for M13, that trend bodes well for just how improved CCM for Madden 14 could potentially be, imo.

Big,

I don�t have a twitter account, but from the times I visited Loomas twitter, the vastly majority were not rude. He blocked a few guys that post here just because they did not throw him a softball... You can dig around youtube, podcast�s and all you see is a love fest.

Plus, he said people will always complain about "little thing" when asked about an important aspect of the game for big part of the consumers. It�s better be clear I�m not defending people being rude, because they deserve a block. But a lot of the msgs I saw on his twitter were just tough questions of people that do not agree with his "little thing" remarks... and they were blocked.

Looman just need to look how M. Young is dealing with twitter...

# 474 mestevo @ 06/12/12 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by themassacre771.1


	More than 30, and what's your point anyway?

182 actually, but the top 30 make up 58% of the thread

# 475 DNMHIII @ 06/12/12 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	I've never played online and never want to, but I've always supported the online community in getting the love they've deserved and have been waiting a long time for. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the features that offline franchise has lost. People have a right to be upset about it and we as a forum should be supporting those that are upset at losing features that existed in Madden and exist in almost all Sports Video Games. Anytime someone has a legitimate complaint, we should ALL be standing behind them whether we personally use that feature or not. I just don't understand those trying to silence anyone with a legitimate complaint. Significant features are missing, we should all be upset about that. EA/Tib have a history or putting a feature in, taking it back out, replacing it and marketing it as a brand new feature, taking it back out, and returning it years later. We should ALL be upset about it. I, as a Software Designer, understand why they would want to combine modes into one. Saves them resources/dollars. I understand it, but because of it, significant features are still missing. We should ALL be upset about those significant missing features. I have never discouraged any online person from voicing their frustration. In fact, I encouraged it. Even though I could give a rats behind about online franchise. I'm smart enough to know they deserved much better than what they had been getting. Offline franchiser's deserve that same kind of support.

This is a great post IMO and its exactly how I feel. I think the game should be designed around the customer and last I checked that meant online and offline players alike. I've always been bummed about online just being a nightmare culture do to some players glitching the hell out of each other, but I always wanted it to be better just because I would like to participate somehow and I know a lot of people enjoy it and would like it to get better also.

No problem with CCM if designed properly and from here on out I'd really like to see both online and offline be developed side by side with the same great features for both. Whats really pissed a lot of people off is that by moving to this CCM effort it practically gutted the old franchise mode and left the offline player with a shell of what the game had been for them for so long.

# 476 briz1744 @ 06/12/12 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TreFacTor


	Do many people know about this? link?

sorry new phone and haven't worked out how to do that yet , ther is a link posted on page 25ish of this thread tho

# 477 jpollard25 @ 06/12/12 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by themassacre771.1


	More than 30, and what's your point anyway?

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Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM


	What's yours? Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2

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Originally Posted by mestevo


	182 actually, but the top 30 make up 58% of the thread

Still not understanding why it matters...it's a good place for useful information...a good place to grasp an understanding of the what's going on, and what the thought process has been...

# 478 bichettehappens @ 06/12/12 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	So you are pretty much saying, don't add CCM this year which greatly improves the feature set of bare bones online Franchise, just so offline can continue have things like player editing, import rosters, etc? Or don't add CCM this year, instead update online franchise mode to include M12's features, leaving out the storylines, XP system and all the general new features in CCM, just so offline can continue to have the options they are accustomed to? If those are the only other options, I prefer the way EA/Tiburon decided to do it this year. I see it as they took ONE YEAR of release to combine these modes with some limited options, so going forward a raising tide will raise all boats, after YEARS of inequality in the Superstar, online and offline Franchise modes.

Agree 100%. For me personally, if I had to choose between being stuck with bland franchise again in M13 but including the omitted features, then have M14 as the transition period... Or CCM this year. I'm choosing the way they did it this year undoubtedly. But that's just my opinion, and with that I think I've had enough of this circular discussion lol

# 479 TreFacTor @ 06/12/12 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tazdevil20


	Give me a break here man. No one is saying that at all. You are assuming there are workarounds because you don't care about that mode. Not to mention there were no sliders in online franchise. That's beside the point. You are upset now because YOUR favorite thing is finally being taken out. It sucks and in no way is it acceptable. It's not acceptable to anyone, including those of us who are not affected. No one is saying, "I told you so". It's just interesting to see the reactions, because I think it has enabled a lot of football fans to really understand what is so frustrating about EA football. This IS a uniting element. No one wants to see features eliminated no matter what.

The only thing I can 100% agree on; no matter what everyone's personal issue on this matter is, I have rarely seen this amount of passion, discussed about Madden in such a mature fashion. The discussion has been vast, varied and rebutted in a fashion that I haven't seen i quiet some time. Yes this should be a uniting time, and the two sides should meet in the middle. Agree to disagree but see the merit of each sides argument. Withhold your personal disdain, and work together toward a better goal. The game surely would be better than it currently is with the missing features in question so where is the middle ground to get that accomplished?

How does the Madden community after all these years truly unite?

# 480 SoxFan01605 @ 06/12/12 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	It finally dawned on me how to clearly articulate why some gamers like me aren't as taken aback by being forced to try CCM "as is" initially. EA/Tiburon has been doing this with online play this ENTIRE console generation. I commented about QB Vision in another thread and someone strictly offline was saying how it was optional but not for online the first year. The majority, if not all, the options offline gamers are currently understandably disappointed about not being in CCM and MORE, have been repeatedly left out for online play. No slider sets, no player salaries, no CPU trade logic, one year we had to pay for All-Madden online ranked games, forced QB vision, blah, blah, blah. I am reading these post where people are stating they can't believe EA/Tiburon would do something like this, when EA/Tiburon have been "doing something like this" to online gamers the entire time. I can't tell you of the number of posts, which I might should search for, when someone predominately an offline gamer would state "I don't care about online or online franchise, just improve offline" or "online franchise is the minority" in reply to threads and posts about equating or combining online/offline Franchise. Also with some offline gamers saying a flippant, "just don't play online then", year after year. I don't mean to be a first class arsehole and I honestly do hope these options are added back but this seems like chickens coming home to roost. Maybe now that more Madden gamers get a chance to experience having frustrating limitations placed on how they have attempted to enjoy the game, we all can come together as a community to push for changes that benefit us all.

I see your point to an extent (in the sense that online gamers have gotten a raw deal in the past), but whose chickens, exactly? Some ignorant posters? I'm sure I could find "offline franchise is dead" type comments by people advocating online league focus. Every time someone has a gripe about AI, logic, or franchise, there's always people who will say "then stop playing the CPU...". I just don't think that proves much other than that's the nature of message boards, unfortunately...people generalize and "take sides" to make points. In any event, the point is that some single-minded gamers on either side shouldn't be central to anyone's rationale on why this is or isn't okay.

I also don't dispute that online guys have gotten it worse over the years at all (THAT, is a 100% valid point). Nor am I saying you, or anyone else who isn't impacted by these limitations should care or feel sorry, etc. People care about what they care about...it's all subjective. But do you really think offline players don't know what it's like to be limited? We just got back some of the features we had for years in 12 and that STILL doesn't equate to where Madden should be or even was at one point.

Point being, with Madden, no one has really "won" for quite some time. If we come together on any point, it should be that Madden has failed to strike a balance for their consumers and there shouldn't be any reason to have "sides" in the first place. CCM may indeed remedy that in the future, but IMO, where EA dropped the ball is that rather than bring everyone UP to the same standard of control and options, they simply lowered the bar. That's why I'm disappointed in 13. We'll see how it goes in the future though.

BTW, I'm not coming at you or anything. Again, I see your points...I just completely disagree with your rationale that I needed to learn my lesson...lol. Let me also clarify that I'm not advocating that they should have not done CCM at all, because then we'd be in the same loop of issues (and online players would be left in the cold again, which simply shifts the problem to a different group). My point is this process of having to sacrifice from one thing in order to pay for another in this series has gotten pretty old.

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