Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

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Quote: Originally Posted by themassacre771.1

More than 30, and what's your point anyway?

Quote: Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM

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Quote: Originally Posted by mestevo

182 actually, but the top 30 make up 58% of the thread

Still not understanding why it matters...it's a good place for useful information...a good place to grasp an understanding of the what's going on, and what the thought process has been...

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Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

So you are pretty much saying, don't add CCM this year which greatly improves the feature set of bare bones online Franchise, just so offline can continue have things like player editing, import rosters, etc? Or don't add CCM this year, instead update online franchise mode to include M12's features, leaving out the storylines, XP system and all the general new features in CCM, just so offline can continue to have the options they are accustomed to? If those are the only other options, I prefer the way EA/Tiburon decided to do it this year. I see it as they took ONE YEAR of release to combine these modes with some limited options, so going forward a raising tide will raise all boats, after YEARS of inequality in the Superstar, online and offline Franchise modes.

Agree 100%. For me personally, if I had to choose between being stuck with bland franchise again in M13 but including the omitted features, then have M14 as the transition period... Or CCM this year. I'm choosing the way they did it this year undoubtedly. But that's just my opinion, and with that I think I've had enough of this circular discussion lol

[TreFacTor]

Quote: Originally Posted by tazdevil20

Give me a break here man. No one is saying that at all. You are assuming there are workarounds because you don't care about that mode. Not to mention there were no sliders in online franchise. That's beside the point. You are upset now because YOUR favorite thing is finally being taken out. It sucks and in no way is it acceptable. It's not acceptable to anyone, including those of us who are not affected. No one is saying, "I told you so". It's just interesting to see the reactions, because I think it has enabled a lot of football fans to really understand what is so frustrating about EA football. This IS a uniting element. No one wants to see features eliminated no matter what.

The only thing I can 100% agree on; no matter what everyone's personal issue on this matter is, I have rarely seen this amount of passion, discussed about Madden in such a mature fashion. The discussion has been vast, varied and rebutted in a fashion that I haven't seen i quiet some time. Yes this should be a uniting time, and the two sides should meet in the middle. Agree to disagree but see the merit of each sides argument. Withhold your personal disdain, and work together toward a better goal. The game surely would be better than it currently is with the missing features in question so where is the middle ground to get that accomplished?

How does the Madden community after all these years truly unite?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

It finally dawned on me how to clearly articulate why some gamers like me aren't as taken aback by being forced to try CCM "as is" initially. EA/Tiburon has been doing this with online play this ENTIRE console generation. I commented about QB Vision in another thread and someone strictly offline was saying how it was optional but not for online the first year. The majority, if not all, the options offline gamers are currently understandably disappointed about not being in CCM and MORE, have been repeatedly left out for online play. No slider sets, no player salaries, no CPU trade logic, one year we had to pay for All-Madden online ranked games, forced QB vision, blah, blah, blah. I am reading these post where people are stating they can't believe EA/Tiburon would do something like this, when EA/Tiburon have been "doing something like this" to online gamers the entire time. I can't tell you of the number of posts, which I might should search for, when someone predominately an offline gamer would state "I don't care about online or online franchise, just improve offline" or "online franchise is the minority" in reply to threads and posts about equating or combining online/offline Franchise. Also with some offline gamers saying a flippant, "just don't play online then", year after year. I don't mean to be a first class arsehole and I honestly do hope these options are added back but this seems like chickens coming home to roost. Maybe now that more Madden gamers get a chance to experience having frustrating limitations placed on how they have attempted to enjoy the game, we all can come together as a community to push for changes that benefit us all.

I see your point to an extent (in the sense that online gamers have gotten a raw deal in the past), but whose chickens, exactly? Some ignorant posters? I'm sure I could find "offline franchise is dead" type comments by people advocating online league focus. Every time someone has a gripe about AI, logic, or franchise, there's always people who will say "then stop playing the CPU...". I just don't think that proves much other than that's the nature of message boards, unfortunately...people generalize and "take sides" to make points. In any event, the point is that some single-minded gamers on either side shouldn't be central to anyone's rationale on why this is or isn't okay.

I also don't dispute that online guys have gotten it worse over the years at all (THAT, is a 100% valid point). Nor am I saying you, or anyone else who isn't impacted by these limitations should care or feel sorry, etc. People care about what they care about...it's all subjective. But do you really think offline players don't know what it's like to be limited? We just got back some of the features we had for years in 12 and that STILL doesn't equate to where Madden should be or even was at one point.

Point being, with Madden, no one has really "won" for quite some time. If we come together on any point, it should be that Madden has failed to strike a balance for their consumers and there shouldn't be any reason to have "sides" in the first place. CCM may indeed remedy that in the future, but IMO, where EA dropped the ball is that rather than bring everyone UP to the same standard of control and options, they simply lowered the bar. That's why I'm disappointed in 13. We'll see how it goes in the future though.

BTW, I'm not coming at you or anything. Again, I see your points...I just completely disagree with your rationale that I needed to learn my lesson...lol. Let me also clarify that I'm not advocating that they should have not done CCM at all, because then we'd be in the same loop of issues (and online players would be left in the cold again, which simply shifts the problem to a different group). My point is this process of having to sacrifice from one thing in order to pay for another in this series has gotten pretty old.

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Quote: Originally Posted by briz1744

sorry new phone and haven't worked out how to do that yet , ther is a link posted on page 25ish of this thread tho

I think it's www.easports.com/gamechangers/ideas

[Bigmac612]

Quote: Originally Posted by mestevo

More people would be upset if all we got was 12 with the Infinity Engine and a promise for more next year, while this cycle's resources went into something that wasn't even released. Pushing CCM to 14 because of an incompatibility with a few features resulting in them being removed is a pretty easy decision to not make IMO. I think a lot of people are underestimating or don't really appreciate the direction, in the name of wallowing in the outrage. It's not perfect, and that sucks however much it may affect you. Make the best of the situation and look to next year. If that means not buying it them so be it, speak with your wallet. Completely understandable.

ARGHHHHHH!!!!! Im so sick of this "wait till next year" crap!!! I mean how long have we been sayin this about Madden?? Seriously??

One thing i can always guarantee about madden regarding "Next Year" is...around April-May they will give you some Awesome hopeful "that this will finally be the year" type news...thennnn around june-july you start hearing bits of the bad news...sooo now your high hopes are a mainly dashed but you still hold on to the littleeeee inch of hope that everything will work out in the end....but here comes August...when the game is finally in hand then you realized everything that they advertised was broken..and now...well u just go along with it and learn to accept it for the weak wack ish it is cause its the only NFL game on the market and force yourself to make the best out of it...pretty sure its gon be more of that same ish "next year"....

Madden is the only big game that does this, the others your more like "damn, i wonder how they gon add any more to this awesome sh.."...

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[Pacman83]

Quote: Originally Posted by tazdevil20

Give me a break here man. No one is saying that at all. You are assuming there are workarounds because you don't care about that mode. Not to mention there were no sliders in online franchise. That's beside the point. You are upset now because YOUR favorite thing is finally being taken out. It sucks and in no way is it acceptable. It's not acceptable to anyone, including those of us who are not affected. No one is saying, "I told you so". It's just interesting to see the reactions, because I think it has enabled a lot of football fans to really understand what is so frustrating about EA football. This IS a uniting element. No one wants to see features eliminated no matter what.

There are several functioning Online Franchises using external sites...and no you're not saying it. But it is being said. Guys would rather have an Online Franchise that's "greatly" improved over M12 offline, than for EVERYONE to get an mode that's functional. How is that uniting?..Give me a break.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

So you are pretty much saying, don't add CCM this year which greatly improves the feature set of bare bones online Franchise, just so offline can continue have things like player editing, import rosters, etc? Or don't add CCM this year, instead update online franchise mode to include M12's features, leaving out the storylines, XP system and all the general new features in CCM, just so offline can continue to have the options they are accustomed to? If those are the only other options, I prefer the way EA/Tiburon decided to do it this year. I see it as they took ONE YEAR of release to combine these modes with some limited options, so going forward a raising tide will raise all boats, after YEARS of inequality in the Superstar, online and offline Franchise modes.

So basically offline/online switched places. (Could argue that offline is worse) And now "its okay" cause we're all moving forward together? lol.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Pacman83

There are several functioning Online Franchises using external sites...and no you're not saying it. But it is being said. Guys would rather have an Online Franchise that's "greatly" improved over M12 offline, than for EVERYONE to get an mode that's functional. How is that uniting?..Give me a break. Ex) So basically offline/online switched places. (Could argue that offline is worse) And now "its okay" cause we're all moving forward together? lol.

Dude, I already tried to point out the same thing in the middle of this thread. They won't hear the sense you're making.