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Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?
Jayson Young: I'm amazed by how much better the retail version is compared to the demo. The gameplay in the demo felt so stale and boring that I stopped playing it after a few days, but the final build has me hooked to the point where I am staying up late just to play the darn thing.

There are still issues, such as the interactions between the offensive and defensive lines, the skating player movement and being unable to hit a ball-carrier while he's in the middle of an animation (not to mention this delicious bug), but unlike previous versions of NCAA, the game's shortcomings haven't killed the fun factor for me.

It's not going to reach the elite level of sports franchises until the commentary gets updated and the player movement, physics and animations become more lifelike, but it's still the first NCAA game this generation where the fun factor manages to overcome the game's flaws.


Jayson embraces NCAA Football 12, even if he does think it's flawed.

Bob Kollars: When the demo dropped, I could see so many minor improvements, and I knew these improvements would only be felt on a much greater level when the retail version found its way into my 360 tray. In my opinion, this is the best overall package EA has ever put out for a football game. A combination of slick graphics, stadium sounds, improved gameplay and a revamped Road To Glory mode have made this offering a much more in-depth experience. Gone are the days of suction blocking and tackling, and the new improvements to zone defense (while not perfect) are a huge step in the right direction. The one thing that I would love to have is a Spectator mode; I would love to have the ability to scout my next human opponent in an online dynasty in advance, and this mode would fill those needs. How cool would it be to watch the championship game live for your online dynasty -- that's a rhetorical question as we all know it would be mind-blowingly cool!

I am not claiming that NCAA 12 is a perfect game, just that it's the best offering to date in the form of college football. The CPU plays a smarter game on the field, and at times it even feels like you are actually playing another human opponent. If folks cannot find improvement and some enjoyment in this year's title, then the series is probably dead to them -- and said people should stop buying the product in the future. After devoting over a week's time, and well over 40 games, I'm more than content with my purchase.


Bob also has a strong desire to hold this year's title close to his bosom.

Caley Roark: I'm not the biggest college football fan, but I had seen enough press and information to preorder NCAA 12 pretty early. Then I played the demo. Largely, I wasn't impressed by it; it seemed to be just another EA football game, a formula that's becoming increasingly stale. Yes, it had better lighting and some ESPN overlays, but it still felt rather dull. I nearly cancelled my preorder.

But after a week and change, I am happy I didn't. The game plays much better than the demo, especially with the variety of new tackling animations. I love when a ball carrier is nearly knocked down, stumbles, then keeps going. It's refreshing to not know all of the tackling animations by heart, as has been the case with recent Madden titles.

I'm also interested in the coaching aspect of the Dynasty mode, and being a coordinator makes games a little quicker to squeeze in here and there. I suppose at some point I'll jump to a head coaching spot, but for now I'm happy controlling the offense. I've dabbled with Road to Glory, which is much improved from past versions I've played. I look forward to spending more time there. Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised. I wish the commentary and presentation elements were better (it's criminal that there isn't some kind of halftime recap), but I'm having a good time so far.


Caley likes the game, but he wants more than just team-specific entrances on the presentation front.

Dustin Toms: I'm not one who gets obsessed with My Player modes, but Road to Glory has made NCAA 12 one of the best purchases I have ever made for my gaming collection.

RtG has always been the best of the My Player modes in these football titles, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was anything super special. But with this year's improvements and position battles, I have fallen in love with my University of Washington QB (I chose a mid-level school for realistic purposes). Plus the fact that you can re-create your entire senior high school season is bringing back memories I thought I had forgotten.

But outside of RtG, NCAA 12 has impressed. With many led to believe that there was no way it could make a big enough jump from NCAA 11, the surprise of opening up a much better game is well deserved for us "unfortunate" gamers. The graphics are greatly improved and Dynasty mode has been touched up.

Like others have said, this game comes with its problems. The zone coverage is still a bit iffy, and there seems to be a strange freeze bug tied to customizing your own experience, but the game is not to the point where a patch or two can't tweak everything to where it needs to be.


Like the others, Dustin can overlook some problems because the core experience keeps bringing him back.

They were honestly a bit more positive than I expected. Nevertheless, continue to chat about all facets of the game, positive and negative. And bonus points go to the ones who are actually calm and articulate during their discussions.

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# 141 Playmakers @ 07/23/11 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanky
Wait a minute, how can it be a "fantastic game'' if it had major bugs? Doesn't having major bugs relegate this to anything but a "fantastic game?'' How in the world can you call this a "fantastic game?''

That's like saying you just had a "fantastic'' cheesesteak with spoiled meat.
well they did include dreads for him this year so that might be why other problems are irrelevant to him

some people prefer gameplay while others prefer cosmetic upgrades
 
# 142 Playmakers @ 07/23/11 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jkra0512
PM, even though there is a workaround for it, doesn't mean those upset about it can't complain. It's not our "job" to make sure these issues aren't...well...issues.

It's ridiculous that people have been complaining about this for a few years now and EA continues to turn the other cheek...
Trust me i know very well EA should fix this issue

But i really don't think they will take action on it....they didn't last year and they didn't in NCAA 09

In fact i've yet to see any EA rep come on here and talk about ever fixing leaping LB's shoudln't that tell you guys something?

I remeber the NBA Live team having a guy who actually dealt with ratings and would listen to the Live community and then go in and make the chages right away

I've never recalled a NCAA guy doing anything of that magnitude
 
# 143 CuseGirl @ 07/23/11 05:39 PM
Well, considering all the uproar, I'm just gonna go get a used copy of last year's version and wait until mid-season to get NCAA 12.....
 
# 144 jkra0512 @ 07/23/11 05:56 PM
PowerPitcher, I'm not calling you out...but it's another thing I have a problem with, with people who have this game. The phrase, "they are on the right track." How long do we have to wait/sink money into this franchise before they are "on track"? Seems like they have been "on the right track" for so many years now.

I'm not totally disgusted with this game, because I am still playing it and mildly enjoying it. However, it's clear EA's NCAA team cares more about adding half-assed features than fixing "under the hood" mechanics of the game. That is a business model I won't get burned by anymore. Definitely waiting on Madden this year because of it.
 
# 145 Gotmadskillzson @ 07/23/11 05:58 PM
People been saying they are on the right track for the past 6 years now. Grant it they are, however it is come to the point now they need to make it to the station.
 
# 146 ODogg @ 07/23/11 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanky
Wait a minute, how can it be a "fantastic game'' if it had major bugs? Doesn't having major bugs relegate this to anything but a "fantastic game?'' How in the world can you call this a "fantastic game?''

That's like saying you just had a "fantastic'' cheesesteak with spoiled meat.
Because with slider adjusments the game plays great, not perfect, but great in my opinion. I've had a fantastic time wit it, when it hasn't froze on me.

As for your analogy I'd say its like a fantastic , meaty cheesesteak with a piece of gristle in every other bite. Remove the gristle and you've got a great sandwich.
 
# 147 ODogg @ 07/23/11 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Playmakers
well they did include dreads for him this year so that might be why other problems are irrelevant to him

some people prefer gameplay while others prefer cosmetic upgrades
You're way off the mark here, I have posted more than anyone here in some of these glitch threads, such as the freezing thread.
 
# 148 aarontab @ 07/23/11 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson
People been saying they are on the right track for the past 6 years now. Grant it they are, however it is come to the point now they need to make it to the station.
"on the right track" is a tough pill to swallow. I don't think they think EA ever thought it wasn't on the right track, so that really can't apply. The reviews and the sales and all that mean that we are still (to them anyways) the vocal minority, and they aren't trying to "get back on track" when they succeed in their eyes year after year.

EA will never be on the right track to making games that are free of glitches and bugs, and they aren't even working hard to correct the other things because they are just tweaking the existing successful formula. All you can do is enjoy NCAA for what it is, I myself am having no problem doing exactly that.
 
# 149 Spanky @ 07/23/11 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ODogg
Because with slider adjusments the game plays great, not perfect, but great in my opinion. I've had a fantastic time wit it, when it hasn't froze on me.

As for your analogy I'd say its like a fantastic , meaty cheesesteak with a piece of gristle in every other bite. Remove the gristle and you've got a great sandwich.
You should have quit while you were behind. Your explanation makes less sense than your original comment.

You've had a fantastic time when it hasn't froze on you? WTF? Doesn't the fact that it has frozen on you multiple times preclude it from being "fantastic?''

And I don't even know where to start with your comment about the sandwich having a piece of gristle in every other bite. I don't know about you, but one piece of gristle would ruin the sandwich for me. And this game is chok-ful of gristle.

"Remove the gristle and you've got a fantastic sandwich?'' Well, yeah. But how much gristle has EA removed? And do you really think they'll be able to remove a large portion of it?

I've noticed over the years that you seem to be overly effusive with your praise towards EA's football titles. EA thanks you.

But I'm not going to bend over and shout "Thank you, Sir. May I have another.''
 
# 150 canes21 @ 07/23/11 08:03 PM
I don't understand why so many people get fired up when people like myself and Odogg say we're having great times with the game. This game is easily the best football gme I've ever played. Does it have problems? Definitely, there is no doubt about it.

I can see why some people are bummed out and are ready to sell the game off, but that's not me. I am having fun with it besides all the problems. EA finally nailed the gameplay down for the most part. When my biggest complaint about the gameplay is the occasional LB that jumps up and tips the pass, then that's a great sign.

For me, EA just needs to fix the tendencies bug, fix the custom playbooks bug, fix coach's progression, and fix the awareness of DB's and WR's on passes and I'll be playing this and MLB 2k11 all the way up to NCAA 13 and MLB 2k12.

The gameplay is there, the features are there, and the modes are there. They all just need a patch that polishes up everything and makes everything run smoothly. I'd like to see LB's with lower jump ratings so everyone would be quiet about it, but I could care less about it because I really don't have any problems with the so called "super LB".

My problems have already been stated in this post: CPB bug, tendencies, bug, coach progression, and DB/WR awareness on passes. That's it. I know that will be impossible for some of you to believe, but that is honestly all I find wrong with the game.

If all those problems are ironed out, then NCAA 13 would just need to build onto Dynasty, Presentation, and Graphics. Yes, they would need to make gameplay even better, but let's be honest, the engine(s) they're using are about as good as they are going to get. That's a shame because there is so much I think they could do with football games on these consoles still, but it's not like the games are terrible. They aren't, the football games we have(NCAA 12) and are getting(Madden 12) look to be the best NFL and NCAAF games we've ever had the chance to play.

There is still going to be those out there who will put NCAA 06 and ESPN NFL 2k5 on a pedestal, but you have that with every product and they are always going to blindly hate whatever new is coming out. Now I am not saying those games were not good, because, well, 2k5 was my favorite game up until NCAA 11 came out, but I can easily tell you that it's dated and there is now way it's better than EA's latest offerings.

And wow, I really kept on rambling for no reason at all....l
 
# 151 jfsolo @ 07/23/11 08:17 PM
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My problems have already been stated in this post: CPB bug, tendencies, bug, coach progression, and DB/WR awareness on passes. That's it. I know that will be impossible for some of you to believe, but that is honestly all I find wrong with the game.
This is basically how I feel too, except that I'm not seeing an issue with the DB/WR awareness. I'd like to see a few tweaks in Coaching Carousel but otherwise I'm enjoying the hell out the game.
 
# 152 NDIrish98 @ 07/23/11 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by canes21
I don't understand why so many people get fired up when people like myself and Odogg say we're having great times with the game. This game is easily the best football gme I've ever played. Does it have problems? Definitely, there is no doubt about it.

I can see why some people are bummed out and are ready to sell the game off, but that's not me. I am having fun with it besides all the problems. EA finally nailed the gameplay down for the most part. When my biggest complaint about the gameplay is the occasional LB that jumps up and tips the pass, then that's a great sign.

For me, EA just needs to fix the tendencies bug, fix the custom playbooks bug, fix coach's progression, and fix the awareness of DB's and WR's on passes and I'll be playing this and MLB 2k11 all the way up to NCAA 13 and MLB 2k12.

The gameplay is there, the features are there, and the modes are there. They all just need a patch that polishes up everything and makes everything run smoothly. I'd like to see LB's with lower jump ratings so everyone would be quiet about it, but I could care less about it because I really don't have any problems with the so called "super LB".

My problems have already been stated in this post: CPB bug, tendencies, bug, coach progression, and DB/WR awareness on passes. That's it. I know that will be impossible for some of you to believe, but that is honestly all I find wrong with the game.

If all those problems are ironed out, then NCAA 13 would just need to build onto Dynasty, Presentation, and Graphics. Yes, they would need to make gameplay even better, but let's be honest, the engine(s) they're using are about as good as they are going to get. That's a shame because there is so much I think they could do with football games on these consoles still, but it's not like the games are terrible. They aren't, the football games we have(NCAA 12) and are getting(Madden 12) look to be the best NFL and NCAAF games we've ever had the chance to play.

There is still going to be those out there who will put NCAA 06 and ESPN NFL 2k5 on a pedestal, but you have that with every product and they are always going to blindly hate whatever new is coming out. Now I am not saying those games were not good, because, well, 2k5 was my favorite game up until NCAA 11 came out, but I can easily tell you that it's dated and there is now way it's better than EA's latest offerings.

And wow, I really kept on rambling for no reason at all....l
i totally agree with both of you. i posted a positive comment on this thread yesterday and got scolded immediately. I'm not going to add anything as i will just be repeating what you just posted, but i will say, yes the game has some problems, but it's still fun, and bottom line, that's what matters to me.
except i prefer the show over mlb2K, Lol.
 
# 153 CuseGirl @ 07/23/11 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jkra0512
PowerPitcher, I'm not calling you out...but it's another thing I have a problem with, with people who have this game. The phrase, "they are on the right track." How long do we have to wait/sink money into this franchise before they are "on track"? Seems like they have been "on the right track" for so many years now.

I'm not totally disgusted with this game, because I am still playing it and mildly enjoying it. However, it's clear EA's NCAA team cares more about adding half-assed features than fixing "under the hood" mechanics of the game. That is a business model I won't get burned by anymore. Definitely waiting on Madden this year because of it.
I've been hearing that right track quote since the Reggie Bush cover (which is still in my top 5 all-time list of games lol). By the way, Mass Effect 2 is the first game I will never trade back, ever.
 
# 154 Playmakers @ 07/23/11 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson
People been saying they are on the right track for the past 6 years now. Grant it they are, however it is come to the point now they need to make it to the station.
i'm not saying give them a free pass but they have done a solid a job with NCAA 11 and 12

I do expect more but i can clearly see that the last two installments of the game have far exceeded NCAA 07 through NCAA 10 versions

At some point i will get back into NCAA 12 but right now there's just too many crazy things going on with rosters, CPU AI pass defense (deep) and once again their lack of intelligence when running the Option offense.

EA might be able to fix about 2 out of 3 of those problems in the next 1-2 months

Until then i'm hoping they don't kill my spirits with Madden 12
 
# 155 finfn1372 @ 07/23/11 10:27 PM
You know what this forum needs its own sub-forum,so all the whiners and complainers can go too.I hate coming here and having to sift thru 10 threads to find 1 with good information.By the way I love the game.
 
# 156 Houndy @ 07/23/11 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by finfn1372
You know what this forum needs its own sub-forum,so all the whiners and complainers can go too.I hate coming here and having to sift thru 10 threads to find 1 with good information.By the way I love the game.
Bro, I gotta agree here. Look, I agree EA needs to be notified that there is a bug in the game. But every little thing has now been called a game killer, when it truely isn't.
 
# 157 TDenverFan @ 07/23/11 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Houndy
Bro, I gotta agree here. Look, I agree EA needs to be notified that there is a bug in the game. But every little thing has now been called a game killer, when it truely isn't.
And people seem to assume if something doesn't work for them, it's a glitch. Or if something has changed (CPU electing to receive the ball at the start of the second half) it's a glitch. I love this game.
 
# 158 ske3terFX95 @ 07/23/11 10:53 PM
Am I the only one who dosent have freezes? And loves the game. I mean yea the linebackers are really gay when they jump and swat but I still love the game. Other than that the game is awesome for me. Anyone wanna play? Add Ske3terFX95 xbox. Go noles
 
# 159 Herky @ 07/23/11 11:14 PM
I don't know that many beta's released on consoles. Not saying that isn't a good idea, but I can't think of many console games that have beta releases.
 
# 160 ODogg @ 07/23/11 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Nakeja71
What sliders have you used?
My own sliders i have come up with after about 40 games.
 


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