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Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?
Jayson Young: I'm amazed by how much better the retail version is compared to the demo. The gameplay in the demo felt so stale and boring that I stopped playing it after a few days, but the final build has me hooked to the point where I am staying up late just to play the darn thing.

There are still issues, such as the interactions between the offensive and defensive lines, the skating player movement and being unable to hit a ball-carrier while he's in the middle of an animation (not to mention this delicious bug), but unlike previous versions of NCAA, the game's shortcomings haven't killed the fun factor for me.

It's not going to reach the elite level of sports franchises until the commentary gets updated and the player movement, physics and animations become more lifelike, but it's still the first NCAA game this generation where the fun factor manages to overcome the game's flaws.


Jayson embraces NCAA Football 12, even if he does think it's flawed.

Bob Kollars: When the demo dropped, I could see so many minor improvements, and I knew these improvements would only be felt on a much greater level when the retail version found its way into my 360 tray. In my opinion, this is the best overall package EA has ever put out for a football game. A combination of slick graphics, stadium sounds, improved gameplay and a revamped Road To Glory mode have made this offering a much more in-depth experience. Gone are the days of suction blocking and tackling, and the new improvements to zone defense (while not perfect) are a huge step in the right direction. The one thing that I would love to have is a Spectator mode; I would love to have the ability to scout my next human opponent in an online dynasty in advance, and this mode would fill those needs. How cool would it be to watch the championship game live for your online dynasty -- that's a rhetorical question as we all know it would be mind-blowingly cool!

I am not claiming that NCAA 12 is a perfect game, just that it's the best offering to date in the form of college football. The CPU plays a smarter game on the field, and at times it even feels like you are actually playing another human opponent. If folks cannot find improvement and some enjoyment in this year's title, then the series is probably dead to them -- and said people should stop buying the product in the future. After devoting over a week's time, and well over 40 games, I'm more than content with my purchase.


Bob also has a strong desire to hold this year's title close to his bosom.

Caley Roark: I'm not the biggest college football fan, but I had seen enough press and information to preorder NCAA 12 pretty early. Then I played the demo. Largely, I wasn't impressed by it; it seemed to be just another EA football game, a formula that's becoming increasingly stale. Yes, it had better lighting and some ESPN overlays, but it still felt rather dull. I nearly cancelled my preorder.

But after a week and change, I am happy I didn't. The game plays much better than the demo, especially with the variety of new tackling animations. I love when a ball carrier is nearly knocked down, stumbles, then keeps going. It's refreshing to not know all of the tackling animations by heart, as has been the case with recent Madden titles.

I'm also interested in the coaching aspect of the Dynasty mode, and being a coordinator makes games a little quicker to squeeze in here and there. I suppose at some point I'll jump to a head coaching spot, but for now I'm happy controlling the offense. I've dabbled with Road to Glory, which is much improved from past versions I've played. I look forward to spending more time there. Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised. I wish the commentary and presentation elements were better (it's criminal that there isn't some kind of halftime recap), but I'm having a good time so far.


Caley likes the game, but he wants more than just team-specific entrances on the presentation front.

Dustin Toms: I'm not one who gets obsessed with My Player modes, but Road to Glory has made NCAA 12 one of the best purchases I have ever made for my gaming collection.

RtG has always been the best of the My Player modes in these football titles, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was anything super special. But with this year's improvements and position battles, I have fallen in love with my University of Washington QB (I chose a mid-level school for realistic purposes). Plus the fact that you can re-create your entire senior high school season is bringing back memories I thought I had forgotten.

But outside of RtG, NCAA 12 has impressed. With many led to believe that there was no way it could make a big enough jump from NCAA 11, the surprise of opening up a much better game is well deserved for us "unfortunate" gamers. The graphics are greatly improved and Dynasty mode has been touched up.

Like others have said, this game comes with its problems. The zone coverage is still a bit iffy, and there seems to be a strange freeze bug tied to customizing your own experience, but the game is not to the point where a patch or two can't tweak everything to where it needs to be.


Like the others, Dustin can overlook some problems because the core experience keeps bringing him back.

They were honestly a bit more positive than I expected. Nevertheless, continue to chat about all facets of the game, positive and negative. And bonus points go to the ones who are actually calm and articulate during their discussions.

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# 201 CT Pitbull @ 07/24/11 12:25 PM
FREEZING UP IN OFFLINE DYNASTY!!! this game is awesome when it works but to sit there and play a game all the way to the 4th quarter and have it freeze on me makes me wanna break everything around me and makes it all a big waste of time ...what good is a beautiful ferrari when everytime you drive it for an hour it breaks down on the side of the road????...how could they miss this what do I do now,?? do i return it for another copy ???...is it going to be fixed in a patch???

again when the game works its awesome
 
# 202 rockstar super @ 07/24/11 12:46 PM
I Think the game is great yeah it has it glitches and bugs and yes i get mad at them. Also some of the things you cant help cause when you play you are playing a computer that is programmed to do certain things yes AI could be better.

What I think is EA has a great Title Great and loyal followers what they need to do is pay attetion to this site and the threads see what we want and adjust the game there. I mean the ideas and the people on this site are the loyal followers listen to the ideas and use them it owuld make the game great.

Also stopping adding new features every year if they are broken or dont work, I mean you got a great game make it perfect and add little by little. Also how is Madden and NCAA so different I mean the developers the people should be talking.

There are lots of great ideas out there and some are so small but would make the game great and awesome and could be easy to put in the game I mean hire more people do what it takes make the game great There is a ton of people out there with the NCAA knowledge and Video game Knowledge could make this game best of all time

Well that is my 2 cents back to playing now
 
# 203 tbook24 @ 07/24/11 02:26 PM
look i think people lose sight of the fact that this is a video game and there are still limits to what you can put in agame. it will never be perfection but out of the box it is a great game. as we go along patches will come down and the product will get even better. i think its great for what it is being the second tier football game at ea.
 
# 204 oldman @ 07/24/11 02:33 PM
I was loving this game until last night when I tried to advance my online dynasty. I have a 10 person online dynasty which is basically the only reason I play this game and we can't advance past week 1. We even waited a week and a half to start so that hopefully some of the kinks would be worked out. What a joke.
 
# 205 LambertandHam @ 07/24/11 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tbook24
look i think people lose sight of the fact that this is a video game and there are still limits to what you can put in agame. it will never be perfection but out of the box it is a great game. as we go along patches will come down and the product will get even better. i think its great for what it is being the second tier football game at ea.
True in the fact that all software will have bugs one time or another. The game itself is fun, in messing around with my dynasty. I'm still amazed that the freezing bug got by the testers. You'd think in all the development they'd realize that the game would tank in dynasty or in general.
 
# 206 chargers17 @ 07/24/11 04:54 PM
Overall I feel like the game this year is the best in a long while and lets not forget that most of the gameplay bugs and glitches are because of a new gameplay system that ea has adopted. Like anything else, when you move to a new operating system you are not going to be able to fix all of these problems, especially in the case of a video game because the production team has a set date to have all of their new features completed and tuned by. Having said that, I have some head scratching moments that I think should be taken a look at for next years game.

The #1 flaw that I see on the defensive side of the ball is when the defense is a zone coverage, in this case we'll say cover 2. Now if i have 4 verts from the normal or spread shotgun set called against cover 2 its almost a guarantee that I'm going to get at least 20 yards from a throw to either of the inside receivers. So I drop back and when I feel that one of the receivers is 3 or 4 steps past the dropping linebackers I throw him the ball. At this point this should be an easy completion and all I should have to worry about is protecting the ball on the rac, but about half the time I see a linebacker turn his head away from the quarterback, start running in the direction of a receiver and without turning his head back around to track the ball, he will throw up a hand and swat the ball away. Come on ea, we all know that this type of play might happen once a game, if that, so why is this happening 3 out of 6 times that I run this play? This glitch often happens when a receiver gets past any defender playing zone, not just in that situation. I think many people would agree that they are tired of seeing zone defenders with eyes in the back of their heads.

The next problem that i have found occurs on bubble screens, halfback screens, and swing routes. When I throw a bubble screen it seems that almost every time the QB throws the ball 5 yards in front of the receiver and sometimes resulting in an interception by the corner who would otherwise be completely out of position. HB screens and swing passes are missed because the RB just stops ant the QB throws the ball way out in front of, or in the case of swing passes, way over the head of the intended receiver. on screens the qb should know where the running back is going to stop and on swing passes 90% of the time the RB should swing to the sidelines and if the qb is still standing upright, start up the sideline.

All in all I feel that this is a very good game and imo the best since 2006 on the ps2, but there are some glaring head scratching problems that need to be fixed moving forward.
 
# 207 rudyjuly2 @ 07/24/11 08:10 PM
I don't get how people say the cpu AI is smarter. On offense I still see slow QBs running the option, I don't see the cpu QB getting the ball in the hands of the best wide receivers, I see terrible clock management, etc. We are still a long, long way off before the cpu actually calls good plays and use their personel properly. They don't act play like a human in any way unless you say the person calling the plays is Forest Gump. All of the cpu RBs run the same way. Big backs and small backs seem to use the exact same logic when running. I see no personality in this game. Great players are often invisible.

The lack of real physics and player momentum is really going to hurt long term. Football needs this more than any other sport and without a big improvement I'm not sure NCAA 13 will be a first day purchase.

One of my biggest complaints has been the neutered RBs. The stiff arm, r-stick juke and truck move all suck. Those were fun and now they are not. I can't seem to make any good moves in the open field anymore.
 
# 208 Illustrator76 @ 07/24/11 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rudyjuly2
I don't get how people say the cpu AI is smarter. On offense I still see slow QBs running the option, I don't see the cpu QB getting the ball in the hands of the best wide receivers, I see terrible clock management, etc. We are still a long, long way off before the cpu actually calls good plays and use their personel properly. They don't act play like a human in any way unless you say the person calling the plays is Forest Gump. All of the cpu RBs run the same way. Big backs and small backs seem to use the exact same logic when running. I see no personality in this game. Great players are often invisible.

The lack of real physics and player momentum is really going to hurt long term. Football needs this more than any other sport and without a big improvement I'm not sure NCAA 13 will be a first day purchase.

One of my biggest complaints has been the neutered RBs. The stiff arm, r-stick juke and truck move all suck. Those were fun and now they are not. I can't seem to make any good moves in the open field anymore.
Good post. The CPU play-calling is downright bad sometimes. I have seen the CPU snap the ball and then immediately throw the ball directly out of bounds, or to a receiver that is clearly covered. Sometimes it almost feels predetermined before the snap who the CPU is going to pass to, covered or not. I will say that the CPU run game is very deadly and feels very fair, even when I am giving up lots of yards. Besides that, the entire CPU play-calling logic (Offense and Defense) needs to be totally rewritten IMHO.
 
# 209 bkrich83 @ 07/24/11 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rudyjuly2
I don't get how people say the cpu AI is smarter. On offense I still see slow QBs running the option, I don't see the cpu QB getting the ball in the hands of the best wide receivers, I see terrible clock management, etc. We are still a long, long way off before the cpu actually calls good plays and use their personel properly. They don't act play like a human in any way unless you say the person calling the plays is Forest Gump. All of the cpu RBs run the same way. Big backs and small backs seem to use the exact same logic when running. I see no personality in this game. Great players are often invisible.

The lack of real physics and player momentum is really going to hurt long term. Football needs this more than any other sport and without a big improvement I'm not sure NCAA 13 will be a first day purchase.

One of my biggest complaints has been the neutered RBs. The stiff arm, r-stick juke and truck move all suck. Those were fun and now they are not. I can't seem to make any good moves in the open field anymore.
Agreed for the most part. I would like to see CPU teams try to get the ball to their big time WR's more.

Disagree on the rstick part.
 
# 210 Armor and Sword @ 07/25/11 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rudyjuly2
I don't get how people say the cpu AI is smarter. On offense I still see slow QBs running the option, I don't see the cpu QB getting the ball in the hands of the best wide receivers, I see terrible clock management, etc. We are still a long, long way off before the cpu actually calls good plays and use their personel properly. They don't act play like a human in any way unless you say the person calling the plays is Forest Gump. All of the cpu RBs run the same way. Big backs and small backs seem to use the exact same logic when running. I see no personality in this game. Great players are often invisible.

The lack of real physics and player momentum is really going to hurt long term. Football needs this more than any other sport and without a big improvement I'm not sure NCAA 13 will be a first day purchase.

One of my biggest complaints has been the neutered RBs. The stiff arm, r-stick juke and truck move all suck. Those were fun and now they are not. I can't seem to make any good moves in the open field anymore.

While I agree with most of this post, I have to say the cpu (with the right sliders of course) is giving me a much better game than any previous NCAA title.

I love the running game aspect of football games. And I agree the moves and stiff arm are weak. This is a great area of opportunity for EA going forward. I think the blocking is much better and the flow and feel are very good, but I want to see more personality with different RB's.
 
# 211 boodahisthe1 @ 07/25/11 10:15 AM
i love the game....ive come to realize that people are gonna complain regardless..no matter what....some people would rather focus on the negatives instead of the postives and the positives out weigh the negatives on this game....smh....10 years from now when games are look so realistic and play incredibly smooth, people will still focus on the negatives....if u dont like the game trade it in
 
# 212 teammaxwell @ 07/25/11 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JaySmooov
I'm not even sure EA CARES about how you play online.
they obviously care because they "nerf" certain plays, like the wildcat, to coddle the online community. while guys like me, never play online because of people like you just ranted about.

I am not feeling too good about this game this year. love all the additions with dynasty, but the defense is driving me up a wall. I want a challenge, but I don't want to feel like I am being cheated the entire time.
 
# 213 teammaxwell @ 07/25/11 10:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rudyjuly2
One of my biggest complaints has been the neutered RBs. The stiff arm, r-stick juke and truck move all suck. Those were fun and now they are not. I can't seem to make any good moves in the open field anymore.
neutered basically every person that has the ball in their hands. I can't juke anyone. however I can roll over people with a FB pass. its like the ball handler is stuck in syrup.
 
# 214 chi_hawks @ 07/25/11 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JaySmooov
I'll put it like this: Just played against a guy. Ranked 104 in the nation. Used Oregon. The guy runs out of ONE formation - It has a RB, two FBs, a TE, and a OLB for some reason. Kept running to the strong side LITERALLY ALL GAME until I figured out how to stop it.

Then few times he passed, out of 4 wide, he cheesed an outside slant to #7 on Oregon. Picked off one though for a TD. I shut that down after about the second time he ran it.

THEN he comes out in some formation that has 4 QBs and 6 WRs and a CB, and they all huddle up at the ball. I don't know if it's a bug, but I know my DT was somehow called for offsides one play, and he accepted it quick. He came out in it again later, so I moved the DT and he couldn't do anything, and got a delay of game.

Let's not forget, he used a nano blitz. Told me it was in the 3-3-5 stack.

In my mind I beat him. Technically, no, because I was up 31-24 (I kicked an onside kick and got it, just to be an a-hole) and since I couldn't just stop while I was ahead and run the clock out, I tried throwing on 3rd down instead of just taking a sack. I didn't expect to get the pass off because he was nano blitzing, meaning one guy always came off the line untouched, making it impossible to make reads. You can run the ball fairly well, Jeff Demps had like 3 TDS (All outside runs I believe). I ended up giving him like 6 seconds and he did some cheesy play and threw it to Oregon's 6'5 WR and he caught it with no attempt by the DB to even at least jump, even though he was in perfect position to swat it/pick it off. I dashboarded, and he didn't get the win, I also didn't get the loss I believe.

What's the point of this rant? Basically, if EA can let these things in the game, YEAR IN, YEAR OUT, it shows they just don't give a f**k about people who want to have fun. And yes, that one game literally drained all the fun out of playing NCAA 12. This happened like 30 minutes ago BTW.

Combine that with all the bugs and glitches, and it's amazing EA is even allowed to put this crap out. Custom Playbooks that don't work (for some), roster editing/tendency bug (tendencies mean NOTHING in the game outside of QBs anyway - you tell me what's the difference between a speed RB and a power RB in game. Don't worry, I'll wait....), dynasty recruiting bug, etc.

Don't get me wrong, the game is WAY more enjoyable against the CPU, and enjoyable on all fronts. Just online, it feels like I have to beat/trick the video game as well as beat the guy you're playing.

To think, the biggest online gripe (I've heard) for NBA 2K11 was how you could drive to the hole with the Miami Heat, and they fixed that to the best of their ability. I'm not even sure EA CARES about how you play online. "Yeah, nano blitz all you want, just make sure you buy the new commissioner pack!"

If they did care, they'd address the fact that the SAME guys are on top of the leaderboards EVERY year. There are probably videos of guys doing these things; pay them off and have them find glitches in the game so they can be removed.

Part of me wants to stomp the game into oblivion, but I know I'll keep playing. It kind of feels like EA is blackmailing us IN SOME form or fashion.
I feel you....had a similar type game against some dbag who played as Clemson with NCAA 10', that was the last time I played online. I just don't have the patience for that crap.

Now of course, with offline dynasty basically broke due to the roster glitches, I'll need to find a new hobby til they patch this up.
 
# 215 TDenverFan @ 07/25/11 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by chi_hawks
I feel you....had a similar type game against some dbag who played as Clemson with NCAA 10', that was the last time I played online. I just don't have the patience for that crap.

Now of course, with offline dynasty basically broke due to the roster glitches, I'll need to find a new hobby til they patch this up.
Offline dynasty isn't broke at all....After a couple of years all of your players are fake...
 
# 216 FBeaule04 @ 07/25/11 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaySmooov
I'll put it like this: Just played against a guy. Ranked 104 in the nation. Used Oregon. The guy runs out of ONE formation - It has a RB, two FBs, a TE, and a OLB for some reason. Kept running to the strong side LITERALLY ALL GAME until I figured out how to stop it.

Then few times he passed, out of 4 wide, he cheesed an outside slant to #7 on Oregon. Picked off one though for a TD. I shut that down after about the second time he ran it.

THEN he comes out in some formation that has 4 QBs and 6 WRs and a CB, and they all huddle up at the ball. I don't know if it's a bug, but I know my DT was somehow called for offsides one play, and he accepted it quick. He came out in it again later, so I moved the DT and he couldn't do anything, and got a delay of game.

Let's not forget, he used a nano blitz. Told me it was in the 3-3-5 stack.

In my mind I beat him. Technically, no, because I was up 31-24 (I kicked an onside kick and got it, just to be an a-hole) and since I couldn't just stop while I was ahead and run the clock out, I tried throwing on 3rd down instead of just taking a sack. I didn't expect to get the pass off because he was nano blitzing, meaning one guy always came off the line untouched, making it impossible to make reads. You can run the ball fairly well, Jeff Demps had like 3 TDS (All outside runs I believe). I ended up giving him like 6 seconds and he did some cheesy play and threw it to Oregon's 6'5 WR and he caught it with no attempt by the DB to even at least jump, even though he was in perfect position to swat it/pick it off. I dashboarded, and he didn't get the win, I also didn't get the loss I believe.

What's the point of this rant? Basically, if EA can let these things in the game, YEAR IN, YEAR OUT, it shows they just don't give a f**k about people who want to have fun. And yes, that one game literally drained all the fun out of playing NCAA 12. This happened like 30 minutes ago BTW.

Combine that with all the bugs and glitches, and it's amazing EA is even allowed to put this crap out. Custom Playbooks that don't work (for some), roster editing/tendency bug (tendencies mean NOTHING in the game outside of QBs anyway - you tell me what's the difference between a speed RB and a power RB in game. Don't worry, I'll wait....), dynasty recruiting bug, etc.

Don't get me wrong, the game is WAY more enjoyable against the CPU, and enjoyable on all fronts. Just online, it feels like I have to beat/trick the video game as well as beat the guy you're playing.

To think, the biggest online gripe (I've heard) for NBA 2K11 was how you could drive to the hole with the Miami Heat, and they fixed that to the best of their ability. I'm not even sure EA CARES about how you play online. "Yeah, nano blitz all you want, just make sure you buy the new commissioner pack!"

If they did care, they'd address the fact that the SAME guys are on top of the leaderboards EVERY year. There are probably videos of guys doing these things; pay them off and have them find glitches in the game so they can be removed.

Part of me wants to stomp the game into oblivion, but I know I'll keep playing. It kind of feels like EA is blackmailing us IN SOME form or fashion.
You're asking for too much here JaySmoov. I can't talk much about football online since I don't play, but what I can tell you is that it's the exact same thing with the NHL game.

In the hockey game, EA has come with some ideas. Stick lift, poke check, dekes, board play, momentum shift, etc, etc, etc. All of those ideas we're so exploited by some people online that it's ruining the game.

I don't talk about glitching and cheating, which is a part of EA's game since the company was born. When all you do online is playing unrealistic system to avoid exploits, you know it's bad and you won't have fun.

On the other hand, EA as so much trouble programming their AI for offline modes (not just hockey, football is part of the mix here) that I don't expect them to make the online part more normal and realistic.

In fact, I'm sure the first answer that EA gives to complaint like the one you had here is : "We cannot prevent everything, especially someone who decide to do weird stuff like the guy you play."

Online is a jungle, and companies like EA are happy enough to give the chance to play to buyers and they don't care what goes around after that. Proof of that? There's been XP cheating for the last 3 years in the EASHL and every year, it's coming back in a new way. This year, there's a glitch working since november and never been adress (500 points more with a glitch for legend cards players).

So, I feel for you, and that's why I'm playing less and less online. I'm just unable to have a normal game with a player who doesn't care about the results, but is there to have a fun game.
 
# 217 LambertandHam @ 07/26/11 08:49 AM
Ended up sending mine back to Amazon. Wasn't playing that much after getting hit with my first batch of freezes mid game. Sure it's a loss of 5 bucks, but it's more like a rental fee. I'll probably put the money towards Madden, since I still have the 20$ credit for NCAA and Madden has a 20$ credit for pre ordering.
 
# 218 phade3 @ 07/26/11 11:45 AM
I for one won't make excuses for EA putting out a game and charging $60 just to have the game half playable ! The d line gets unbelievable pressure on the qb and the lbs and cbs at times display super human awareness and intercept skills not to mention a lb roaming who can literally tip almost any pass without ever ;leaving the ground ! WRs stand and watch balls sail over their head, there's a glitch in certain hb screen plays where the def seemingly rush to the opposite side of the play leaving open field ahead for rb after the catch !

This game is broken bad ! I didn't pay $60 to be a tester !
 
# 219 SGMRock @ 07/26/11 10:13 PM
So this is one of the things I would really like to see EA fix. I was just in practice mode and saw this blatent issue. I have seen this before in other places were elbows go through my WR head and stuff when you think they should have gotten pass interference instead the clip right through your WR. This video I just recorded has to be the worse of it I have ever seen though. This is the reason I set the INT slider down to like 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NGoQSU7_LM
 
# 220 aarontab @ 07/26/11 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SGMRock
So this is one of the things I would really like to see EA fix. I was just in practice mode and saw this blatent issue. I have seen this before in other places were elbows go through my WR head and stuff when you think they should have gotten pass interference instead the clip right through your WR. This video I just recorded has to be the worse of it I have ever seen though. This is the reason I set the INT slider down to like 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NGoQSU7_LM
I don't see the problem, that's pretty realistic.
 


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