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Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?
Jayson Young: I'm amazed by how much better the retail version is compared to the demo. The gameplay in the demo felt so stale and boring that I stopped playing it after a few days, but the final build has me hooked to the point where I am staying up late just to play the darn thing.

There are still issues, such as the interactions between the offensive and defensive lines, the skating player movement and being unable to hit a ball-carrier while he's in the middle of an animation (not to mention this delicious bug), but unlike previous versions of NCAA, the game's shortcomings haven't killed the fun factor for me.

It's not going to reach the elite level of sports franchises until the commentary gets updated and the player movement, physics and animations become more lifelike, but it's still the first NCAA game this generation where the fun factor manages to overcome the game's flaws.


Jayson embraces NCAA Football 12, even if he does think it's flawed.

Bob Kollars: When the demo dropped, I could see so many minor improvements, and I knew these improvements would only be felt on a much greater level when the retail version found its way into my 360 tray. In my opinion, this is the best overall package EA has ever put out for a football game. A combination of slick graphics, stadium sounds, improved gameplay and a revamped Road To Glory mode have made this offering a much more in-depth experience. Gone are the days of suction blocking and tackling, and the new improvements to zone defense (while not perfect) are a huge step in the right direction. The one thing that I would love to have is a Spectator mode; I would love to have the ability to scout my next human opponent in an online dynasty in advance, and this mode would fill those needs. How cool would it be to watch the championship game live for your online dynasty -- that's a rhetorical question as we all know it would be mind-blowingly cool!

I am not claiming that NCAA 12 is a perfect game, just that it's the best offering to date in the form of college football. The CPU plays a smarter game on the field, and at times it even feels like you are actually playing another human opponent. If folks cannot find improvement and some enjoyment in this year's title, then the series is probably dead to them -- and said people should stop buying the product in the future. After devoting over a week's time, and well over 40 games, I'm more than content with my purchase.


Bob also has a strong desire to hold this year's title close to his bosom.

Caley Roark: I'm not the biggest college football fan, but I had seen enough press and information to preorder NCAA 12 pretty early. Then I played the demo. Largely, I wasn't impressed by it; it seemed to be just another EA football game, a formula that's becoming increasingly stale. Yes, it had better lighting and some ESPN overlays, but it still felt rather dull. I nearly cancelled my preorder.

But after a week and change, I am happy I didn't. The game plays much better than the demo, especially with the variety of new tackling animations. I love when a ball carrier is nearly knocked down, stumbles, then keeps going. It's refreshing to not know all of the tackling animations by heart, as has been the case with recent Madden titles.

I'm also interested in the coaching aspect of the Dynasty mode, and being a coordinator makes games a little quicker to squeeze in here and there. I suppose at some point I'll jump to a head coaching spot, but for now I'm happy controlling the offense. I've dabbled with Road to Glory, which is much improved from past versions I've played. I look forward to spending more time there. Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised. I wish the commentary and presentation elements were better (it's criminal that there isn't some kind of halftime recap), but I'm having a good time so far.


Caley likes the game, but he wants more than just team-specific entrances on the presentation front.

Dustin Toms: I'm not one who gets obsessed with My Player modes, but Road to Glory has made NCAA 12 one of the best purchases I have ever made for my gaming collection.

RtG has always been the best of the My Player modes in these football titles, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was anything super special. But with this year's improvements and position battles, I have fallen in love with my University of Washington QB (I chose a mid-level school for realistic purposes). Plus the fact that you can re-create your entire senior high school season is bringing back memories I thought I had forgotten.

But outside of RtG, NCAA 12 has impressed. With many led to believe that there was no way it could make a big enough jump from NCAA 11, the surprise of opening up a much better game is well deserved for us "unfortunate" gamers. The graphics are greatly improved and Dynasty mode has been touched up.

Like others have said, this game comes with its problems. The zone coverage is still a bit iffy, and there seems to be a strange freeze bug tied to customizing your own experience, but the game is not to the point where a patch or two can't tweak everything to where it needs to be.


Like the others, Dustin can overlook some problems because the core experience keeps bringing him back.

They were honestly a bit more positive than I expected. Nevertheless, continue to chat about all facets of the game, positive and negative. And bonus points go to the ones who are actually calm and articulate during their discussions.

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# 181 letsgopens66 @ 07/24/11 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniels2386
So your gonna sit there and tell me we would be experiencing the same magnitude of problems if they WOULD have put out a BETA before hand? If that is in fact what your tellin me then you sir are incompetent when it comes to knowledge of video games and how 'stuff' works. Srry bout'cha
A beta wouldn't work. A one year release cycle wouldn't allow for enough time.
 
# 182 aarontab @ 07/24/11 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniels2386
So your gonna sit there and tell me we would be experiencing the same magnitude of problems if they WOULD have put out a BETA before hand? If that is in fact what your tellin me then you sir are incompetent when it comes to knowledge of video games and how 'stuff' works. Srry bout'cha
I think it's your general overall tone that's not helpful, you've been squirting diarrhea on this thread for a few pages, and your monday morning quarterbacking is almost as offputting as your need to lash out when people disagree with it.
 
# 183 finfn1372 @ 07/24/11 01:59 AM
Look, I apoligize to everybody in this thread that was offended by my comment's, and hopefully we can continue to keep working in a productive direction to get the problem's solved.
 
# 184 bkrich83 @ 07/24/11 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniels2386
So your gonna sit there and tell me we would be experiencing the same magnitude of problems if they WOULD have put out a BETA before hand? If that is in fact what your tellin me then you sir are incompetent when it comes to knowledge of video games and how 'stuff' works. Srry bout'cha
Pretty sure I have more experience than you in software development.

But that's neither here nor there as you completely missed the point.
 
# 185 bkrich83 @ 07/24/11 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by aarontab
I think it's your general overall tone that's not helpful, you've been squirting diarrhea on this thread for a few pages, and your monday morning quarterbacking is almost as offputting as your need to lash out when people disagree with it.
Hopefully school starts up soon and we get less of his kinds of posts. They don't help.
 
# 186 aarontab @ 07/24/11 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniels2386
Dude its mother effin 2011 lol not 1999. How long has EA been doin this? This game is the Diarrhea you speak of and I dont mean that in a positive manner. Ive been playing these games since like Madden on Super NES. Ive seen them progress. You guys just must not know where Im coming from. You can call it Monday morning w.e you want to. I call it accurate, I know what Im talking about.


How long did it take this community to find glitches or bugs? We found these 'gamekillers' in a matter of a week or 2. So if they would've put out a BETA for lets say just a measly week they could've either A) Fixed it before the release OR B) Get a heads up on a patch to have ready as close to release as possible. IM TELLING YOU lol a BETA would have made this game ALOT better. Why is that so hard to accept? Cause its a random person telling you this? Cmon now be smart
I'm not sure after reading this, what do you think would have made this game "alot" better? I'm just curious.
 
# 187 aarontab @ 07/24/11 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniels2386
Im saying this with 0 sarcasm.

Please by all means do tell me exactly in detail why a BETA wouldn't help at all. I thought that was the sole purpose of a BETA? Id love to hear what you have to say about it. Honestly
Do you think we have connections at EA or do you just really need somebody to validate your opinion? What good is convincing us? Focus your energy on emailing EA your ideas if you feel so strongly, i'm sure it won't be long before everybody will see the light and sing your praises.
 
# 188 bkrich83 @ 07/24/11 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniels2386
Im saying this with 0 sarcasm.

Please by all means do tell me exactly in detail why a BETA wouldn't help at all. I thought that was the sole purpose of a BETA? Id love to hear what you have to say about it. Honestly
Do you really have any understanding of the test cycle? Do you really know what a beta test is? They had a beta, it just was not public it was done internally. Now whether that is the best route is another debate.

Too many people tossing terms around that they don't really understand.
 
# 189 bkrich83 @ 07/24/11 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by aarontab
Do you think we have connections at EA or do you just really need somebody to validate your opinion? What good is convincing us? Focus your energy on emailing EA your ideas if you feel so strongly, i'm sure it won't be long before everybody will see the light and sing your praises.
Everyone is an expert. If you disagree with their opinion you are wrong.
 
# 190 aarontab @ 07/24/11 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bkrich83
Everyone is an expert. If you disagree with their opinion you are wrong.
I don't even disagree with him, tbh i don't even know what his stance is other than "beta beta beta beta beta horrible game beta beta"
 
# 191 bkrich83 @ 07/24/11 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by aarontab
I don't even disagree with him, tbh i don't even know what his stance is other than "beta beta beta beta beta horrible game beta beta"
I don't either. But his tone is not helpful.
 
# 192 ODogg @ 07/24/11 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniels2386
Validate my opinion I guess...? I just wanted to bring up BETA and see what people thought about it, but that turned into heckling me which I dont mind. Like I said before it seems like a majority of the problems could have been spotted early in a BETA... If thats NOT the case im fine with that, but I know enough about CPU's and video games to the point I want a detailed response of 'Why not' . Dont just say 'because' or 'No, that wont work'.


Why would I do that when theres over 100's of pages right here. Both good and bad. If they was going to do something they would have done something.


in short ... competition. You think they care what anyone thinks at this point about there product? No one else makes football games. That is a fact and the one thing EVERYONE should be able to agree on. If you play football you buy from EA. There an Monopoly man, a Empire! lol I get/have had the feeling that they honestly dont care NEARLY as much as people think. I thought I was pointin out the obvious, but some people seem oblivious to it. Thats why I say and have said this game has outstanding potential, but its like they dont care enough about there own product to tie the loose ends and let it reach its potential. If they had competition or fear of losing revenue, I bet they would pay a little more attention to whats going on :/
Yeah because EAs football games were so much different when they had competition..... I agree we need more companies doing football games but EA isn't going to suddenly make there games radically different if there is.
 
# 193 aarontab @ 07/24/11 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniels2386
in short ... competition. You think they care what anyone thinks at this point about there product? No one else makes football games. That is a fact and the one thing EVERYONE should be able to agree on. If you play football you buy from EA. There an Monopoly man, a Empire! lol I get/have had the feeling that they honestly dont care NEARLY as much as people think. I thought I was pointin out the obvious, but some people seem oblivious to it. Thats why I say and have said this game has outstanding potential, but its like they dont care enough about there own product to tie the loose ends and let it reach its potential. If they had competition or fear of losing revenue, I bet they would pay a little more attention to whats going on :/
Right on, i hear ya. I don't know if people are oblivious so much as they are just worn down from hearing hundreds of people say what you're saying year after year for around 10 years. We get it. Not everybody has identical opinions, but your opinion isn't a new one. Anybody who has played NCAA and visited a forum has been bombarded every year with extremists from both sides and people repeating arguments like they're brand new. I think it was said best when you were told "this isn't helpful".
 
# 194 ODogg @ 07/24/11 03:15 AM
Well i know one thing, the beta testers for this game need fired..
 
# 195 aarontab @ 07/24/11 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ODogg
Well i know one thing, the beta testers for this game need fired..
Then how would they pay for food for their seeing-eye dogs?
 
# 196 ODogg @ 07/24/11 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by aarontab
Then how would they pay for food for their seeing-eye dogs?
Lol, that's a good one...
 
# 197 SGMRock @ 07/24/11 08:26 AM
I think that NHL 2k games made EA make better NHL games for sure. They were starting to be really stale and old when the first couple years of 2K came out and put a dent in their market they actually stepped it up a ton and in my opinion blew 2K out of the water. Now they are not even going to release another NHL 2K game until who knows when. Which I think will start to make the EA NHL team lazy after a couple years of them being gone.

Still the NHL doesn't have an exclusive license and still EA has been making the best game so who is the say that wouldn't be the same for NCAA or NFL. Either way it would be nice to have options. I bought like 2 NHL 2K game over the years but I always read reviews and so on when they both came out to compair which I would buy. Both times I bought NHL 2K games I bought the EA NHL game too so :P ...

Long post short, a competing company would be nice but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Not to mention didn't Madden just renew its NFL exclusive lisense?
 
# 198 BigDan75 @ 07/24/11 08:59 AM
how do we improve our star ratings in NCAA 12 ? last yr when your team went to a bowl game or win it , you would go from say 3* to 4* , this has changed this yr ??

took syracuse , won bowl game against virginia and im still a 3* , what gives ?
 
# 199 SGMRock @ 07/24/11 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BigDan75
how do we improve our star ratings in NCAA 12 ? last yr when your team went to a bowl game or win it , you would go from say 3* to 4* , this has changed this yr ??

took syracuse , won bowl game against virginia and im still a 3* , what gives ?
Not sure, I was able to get Michigan to 6 stars again but I won the National Championship so :P >>> Not sure if I would have gone up if I had just won a bowl game. Ohio St actually went down a Star too because they lost their bowl didn't have a great season without Pryor.
 
# 200 FBeaule04 @ 07/24/11 11:12 AM
@ SGMRock

You're right, but look at the NHL game from EA now? Going back to what it was few years ago now that they don't have competition.

No testing of the game, poor AI making the game unplayable when lock, tons of glitch, cheats and goodies that makes the game worse, and on top of that, new modes that suppose to be a revolution that people don't play since it's full of cheaters.

NHL made a huge stride in 09, but like always with EA, once they make improvements, the years after, they sit on their hands.

Problem with EA isn't that their games aren't good, it's the fact that they are like a young guy who is happy with a 70% as a grade in some classes, but with some kind of effort, would be able to get a 95%.
 


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