Madden NFL 17 News Post

The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

04:37 PM - August 9, 2016 by Steve_OS

Madden NFL 17 Associate Game Designer, Ryan "RG" Glick and the Madden team have sent us this exclusive blog covering the return of formation subs. Make sure to read it and post your thoughts.

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# 161 SolidSquid @ 08/11/16 04:58 PM

If you use formation subs can you also sub in the play call screen?

# 162 jeremym480 @ 08/11/16 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSquid


	If you use formation subs can you also sub in the play call screen?

That's what I'm wondering as well. In the past if you manually subbed in a player on the play call screen, then it would mess up your right stick subs. I'm curious to see how all of this plays out now.

It's actually going to be one of the first things I'm going to check out next week. Because if subs from the play call screen and on the fly subs still work with Auto Subs, then my next course of action is to see if I can manipulate by depth chart enough so I can get the players I want on kickoff coverage.

# 163 Hooe @ 08/11/16 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremym480


	That's what I'm wondering as well. In the past if you manually subbed in a player on the play call screen, then it would mess up your right stick subs. I'm curious to see how all of this plays out now. It's actually going to be one of the first things I'm going to check out next week. Because if subs from the play call screen and on the fly subs still work with Auto Subs, then my next course of action is to see if I can manipulate by depth chart enough so I can get the players I want on kickoff coverage.

Worth noting when you do this - in Franchise, the depth chart order affects how much XP your players earn in Training. All else held equal, your starters (as determined by depth chart position) will earn more XP from Training that your backups.

Beyond that, I'll be interested to see how this cooperates with in-game formation subs and right-stick package subs as well.

# 164 mvb34 @ 08/11/16 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Millennium


	I could be wrong (and please correct me if I am) but isn't the Joker normally in on Dime-type packages? If that is the case I believe Madden has a specific package that represents this.

I know it's preseason but I'm watching Sura Cravens lineup in the LB area. Maybe it's there nickel package

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# 165 Jr. @ 08/11/16 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe


	Worth noting when you do this - in Franchise, the depth chart order affects how much XP your players earn in Training. All else held equal, your starters (as determined by depth chart position) will earn more XP from Training that your backups.

It wasn't like this last year, was it? Why would your spot on a depth chart affect your ability to get better (which I assume XP gained is indicative of)?

# 166 Hooe @ 08/11/16 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jr.


	It wasn't like this last year, was it? Why would your spot on a depth chart affect your ability to get better (which I assume XP gained is indicative of)?

It's a new component of Training, this mechanic was not in Game Prep whatsoever.

Presumably, the theory behind the design is that the "ones" - whoever you assign them to be in your depth chart - get more reps than the "twos" or the "scout team" in practice and thus improve more. So this design decision simulates that.

It does open up the door for users to min-max it if they really want to, granted. That said, where else would you determine who your starters and backups are as Madden is currently built, if not the depth chart?

# 167 Jr. @ 08/11/16 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe


	It's a new component of Training, this mechanic was not in Game Prep whatsoever. Presumably, the theory behind the design is that the "ones" - whoever you assign them to be in your depth chart - get more reps than the "twos" or the "scout team" in practice and thus improve more. So this design decision simulates that. It does open up the door for users to min-max it if they really want to, granted. That said, where else would you determine who your starters and backups are as Madden is currently built, if not the depth chart?

Where did I question how you determine starters/backups? Of course there's no other way, and I have no issue with that.

My issue is that backups don't get better more slowly simply because they're listed as a backup. If that were the case, starters would never be replaced by backups without an injury to the starter.

# 168 Hooe @ 08/11/16 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jr.


	My issue is that backups don't get better more slowly simply because they're listed as a backup. If that were the case, starters would never be replaced by backups without an injury to the starter.

That's accounted for with the development trait.

It's a three-level system, three factors determine how much XP a player gets from Training:

- drill result (gold / silver / bronze medal; the better the medal, the more XP every player earns)
- depth chart position (this simulates the concept of your first-team players getting more reps in practice than your second- and third-team players)
- development trait (after being stratified by depth chart position, players with a better development trait will earn more XP)

# 169 briz1046 @ 08/11/16 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mvb34


	I know it's preseason but I'm watching Sura Cravens lineup in the LB area. Maybe it's there nickel package Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

Despite wearing a DB number Cravens has been lining up and practising with the ILBs throughout training camp from what I've read. Not working with the safety group

# 170 Black Bruce Wayne @ 08/12/16 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NDAlum


	Let's please steer clear of this conversation because there will be a real life side to this convo and a video game side. For example in your example it's easy to say it shouldn't be an exploit if the game were properly made. No exploit convo. Thanks.

I'm not sure what you mean, but when I did this, putting DBs at Linebacker, it was to nano blitz. It was very explotive, which is why I understand why they restricted that. So, it's very much apart of the conversation. Not trying to upset people

# 171 Raiders44 @ 08/13/16 02:19 PM

Come on guys, complaining about not being able to sub a WR for HB? let's be real.......only certain teams will line up a WR in the backfield and then only with specific formations. Choose a playbook that has that option. That is more of a formation package than a formation sub.

# 172 Raiders44 @ 08/13/16 02:24 PM

It would be nice if they had line up restrictions in MUT too.....plus they should change the rules on having more than one of the same player on the field, it should be by name not card type and OVR.....just saying

# 173 Qnzak47 @ 08/13/16 08:35 PM

I'm just glad this feature is back. It was tiresome having to find exact shotgun formations just to put the 1 in the slot

# 174 usradoan @ 08/14/16 12:17 AM

No WR at RB even though several teams do it in real life every game? makes sense....

# 175 utahman19 @ 08/14/16 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe


	- depth chart position (this simulates the concept of your first-team players getting more reps in practice than your second- and third-team players)

Except this part is ridiculous. Teams don't practice that way - 1s vs 1s. No football team at any level above high school does. 1st team offense practices against the backups/practice squad on defense, while the 1st team defense does the same. Experienced vets will get limited reps in practice, just enough to understand the game plan for the next game. 2nd team players will get reps both with the 1st unit and with the backups and in fact end up getting the most practice reps out of any group. So if that is the reasoning, it is based on fallacy and not reality. Depth chart position should have no bearing on how XP is earned.

# 176 queenie.paula @ 08/14/16 01:14 PM

so now that I can finally to subs, will I have to make up a 32 team set up and then edit each teams subs or will there be a way to set subs for all 32 in an easier way?

# 177 JayD @ 08/14/16 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by queenie.paula


	so now that I can finally to subs, will I have to make up a 32 team set up and then edit each teams subs or will there be a way to set subs for all 32 in an easier way?

You'll need to use 32 team control and edit every team. I just wish you could use custom rosters with formation subs edited for all teams. Im not a huge fan of 32 team control.

# 178 kehlis @ 08/14/16 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JayD


	You'll need to use 32 team control and edit every team. I just wish you could use custom rosters with formation subs edited for all teams. Im not a huge fan of 32 team control.

Do we know we won't be able to upload rosters with formation subs edited for all teams? I hadn't seen that.

# 179 mrprice33 @ 08/14/16 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kehlis


	Do we know we won't be able to upload rosters with formation subs edited for all teams? I hadn't seen that.

With the way it's set up I highly doubt it

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# 180 JayD @ 08/14/16 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kehlis


	Do we know we won't be able to upload rosters with formation subs edited for all teams? I hadn't seen that.

I doubt it being that It's only for franchise mode. You also can only set them up in your Coach screen.

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