Madden NFL 17 News Post

The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

04:37 PM - August 9, 2016 by Steve_OS

Madden NFL 17 Associate Game Designer, Ryan "RG" Glick and the Madden team have sent us this exclusive blog covering the return of formation subs. Make sure to read it and post your thoughts.

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# 181 KingV2k3 @ 08/14/16 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by queenie.paula


	so now that I can finally to subs, will I have to make up a 32 team set up and then edit each teams subs or will there be a way to set subs for all 32 in an easier way?

If you don't want to use 32 team control, you should PROBABLY be able to simply create the opposing HC for your CPU opponent before you play them in any given week and then set up that coach's formation subs...

After playing the game, you SHOULD be able to simply "retire" that CPU HC before advancing to the next week...

It's a variation on last's year's Drive Goals workaround...

In M16, after I created that week's CPU opponent HC, I was able to buff up their depth chart / match their player styles to their settings in the Scheme Menu and "optimize" my opponent before playing them...

IF things work the same way this year, I can now add maximising their formation sub settings to that mix...

Not ideal, but keeps the CPU teams trading amongst each other and competitive in FA and the draft without my USER input on their clubs, like 32 team control does...

# 182 queenie.paula @ 08/14/16 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KingV2k3


	If you don't want to use 32 team control, you should PROBABLY be able to simply create the opposing HC for your CPU opponent before you play them in any given week and then set up that coach's formation subs... After playing the game, you SHOULD be able to simply "retire" that CPU HC before advancing to the next week... It's a variation on last's year's Drive Goals workaround... In M16, after I created that week's CPU opponent HC, I was able to buff up their depth chart / match their player styles to their settings in the Scheme Menu and "optimize" my opponent before playing them... IF things work the same way this year, I can now add maximising their formation sub settings to that mix... Not ideal, but keeps the CPU teams trading amongst each other and competitive in FA and the draft without my USER input on their clubs, like 32 team control does...

yea I didn't have 16, but iused the workaround in 15, the auto sub thing is why I skipped 16, too many years without it, I think though ill be getting this one, I wonder if the workaround will still work cause id rather not have to control all 32
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I have 16 lol I forgot I even had it and used the workaround

# 183 ogpremo @ 08/18/16 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NotreDomer10


	No WR at RB even though several teams do it in real life every game? makes sense....

You can still do it while playing around with it in practice mode

# 184 Chin2112 @ 08/18/16 04:18 PM

Apologies if this has been answer but are you able to use formation subs with custom play books? I'm under the impression you can't for some reason but it would be great to get it confirmed.

Thanks guys

# 185 DirtyJerz32 @ 08/22/16 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chin2112


	Apologies if this has been answer but are you able to use formation subs with custom play books? I'm under the impression you can't for some reason but it would be great to get it confirmed. Thanks guys

I don't believe so, I haven't been able to find this in the cfm coach menu.

# 186 Hooe @ 08/22/16 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chin2112


	Apologies if this has been answer but are you able to use formation subs with custom play books? I'm under the impression you can't for some reason but it would be great to get it confirmed. Thanks guys

The short answer is "no you cannot."

The long answer (citing what Mr. Price posted earlier in this thread) is that, if you set your team's playbook to one of the default in-game playbooks, make your formation subs, and then choose your custom playbook in the team select screen, any formation subs for common formations between the two playbooks still apply. Any formations your playbook has that the default playbook you chose originally you will not be able to set formation subs for, because the formation subs UI relies on the existing in-game playbooks.

# 187 DirtyJerz32 @ 08/22/16 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe


	The short answer is "no you cannot." The long answer (citing what Mr. Price posted earlier in this thread) is that, if you set your team's playbook to one of the default in-game playbooks, make your formation subs, and then choose your custom playbook in the team select screen, any formation subs for common formations between the two playbooks still apply. Any formations your playbook has that the default playbook you chose originally you will not be able to set formation subs for, because the formation subs UI relies on the existing in-game playbooks.

Thanks for the answer CM and information Mr. Price. Has this bee confirmed? Just to make sure I'm reading this correctly. Example. If I pick the Jets playbook and make my changes to those formation in the default playbook and then use the same formations in my CPB they'll still work?

# 188 Hooe @ 08/22/16 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyJerz32


	Thanks for the answer CM and information Mr. Price. Has this bee confirmed? Just to make sure I'm reading this correctly. Example. If I pick the Jets playbook and make my changes to those formation in the default playbook and then use the same formations in my CPB they'll still work?

From the way I understood the explanation, what you describe should work. However, if you were to add a formation to this playbook - say you really like I-Form but the Jets playbook didn't have it for some reason - you won't be able to set any formation subs for I-Form because you're using the Jets' playbook as your base, and the Jets' playbook is what the formation subs UI sees.

I defer to Mr. Price for confirmation, however.

# 189 DirtyJerz32 @ 08/22/16 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe


	From the way I understood the explanation, what you describe should work. However, if you were to add a formation to this playbook - say you really like I-Form but the Jets playbook didn't have it for some reason - you won't be able to set any formation subs for I-Form because you're using the Jets' playbook as your base, and the Jets' playbook is what the formation subs UI sees. I defer to Mr. Price for confirmation, however.

Just tested this, it does work. I added all 23 plays to the Jets Pistol Slot formation in my CPB. Went into CFM subbed in every 2nd string player. Then went into practice mode and a regular season game and sure enough everyone in that formation was my 2nd string players that I subbed in. Nice find for the workaround Mr. Price.

# 190 Shadymamba @ 08/23/16 09:31 AM

no DT at TE sorry JJ Watt - but finally this looks great!!!

# 191 DirectFX @ 08/24/16 06:40 PM

Does this mean no Wildcat formations? No RB/WR at QB ? Current NFL you have more WR that were former QB that could be subbed in for a trick play here and there, just off the top of my head you have Pryor, B.Miller, Edelman etc that could go to QB with no problems but I guess we can't ..
Also the QB would need to lineup outside at WR to complete the deception but seems that's restricted too ...

# 192 slick1ru2 @ 08/24/16 10:58 PM

Can't sub a SS into the LB position in Nickel either, like the 1-4-6 Big Dime had last year. It's missing from this year's 4-3 defense books and you can't even create it now. Useless.

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# 193 tessl @ 08/25/16 02:55 PM

Question - is there a way to sub for kickoff and kickoff returns? I can't find kickoffs on the special teams list.

Also, is there a way to get a custom playbook as my "scheme" so I can edit the plays I use instead of a scheme I don't use?

# 194 Scott @ 08/25/16 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tessl


	Question - is there a way to sub for kickoff and kickoff returns? I can't find kickoffs on the special teams list. Also, is there a way to get a custom playbook as my "scheme" so I can edit the plays I use instead of a scheme I don't use?

No formation subs for Kickoffs/KO Returns.

# 195 Find_the_Door @ 08/25/16 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rich8682


	Why can we not sub WR in at HB? And stuff like Watt at TE, CB at WR for a guy like Peterson. Give us NCAA depth charts, I want to be able to play anybody anywhere. Sent from my SM-G386W using Tapatalk

That would be a nightmare for people that actually want a somewhat grounded sim experience.

# 196 Scott @ 08/25/16 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rich8682


	Online maybe. Offline cfm would be fine. Say I have Tavon Austin. I want him in the backfield at times. Sent from my SM-G386W using Tapatalk

Then you get people who want Vince Wilfork at QB.

# 197 Hooe @ 08/25/16 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rich8682


	Why can we not sub WR in at HB? And stuff like Watt at TE, CB at WR for a guy like Peterson. Give us NCAA depth charts, I want to be able to play anybody anywhere.

The formation substitution position rules were copied from what has existed in the in-game formation subs interface for years, which is why those rules still exist in the out-of-game UI.

# 198 ktd1976 @ 08/25/16 05:47 PM

For some reason, when I change my playbook in the "schemes" section in CFM, the change doesn't stick when I go to set formation subs.

I use the Lions, but I use the NE Coach playbook for offense. I switched to that playbook in Schemes.

When I go to make formation subs, only lets me sub for the Lions (Jim Caldwell) playbook.

# 199 Serloar @ 08/25/16 07:05 PM

I'm super mad that any signing/release/injury gets your Formation subs reset. Especially the special teams ones where I sub almost everyone, because they keep puting starters there...

# 200 jeremym480 @ 08/25/16 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by slick1ru2


	Can't sub a SS into the LB position in Nickel either, like the 1-4-6 Big Dime had last year. It's missing from this year's 4-3 defense books and you can't even create it now. Useless. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

FYI - In the Nickel 3-3-5 SAM formation you can put your SS in at LB by using quick subs. I'm not sure about any others.

edit: Nickel Normal is another one.

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