04:37 PM - August 9, 2016 by Steve_OS
Madden NFL 17 Associate Game Designer, Ryan "RG" Glick and the Madden team have sent us this exclusive blog covering the return of formation subs. Make sure to read it and post your thoughts.
Madden NFL 17 News Post
04:37 PM - August 9, 2016 by Steve_OSMadden NFL 17 Associate Game Designer, Ryan "RG" Glick and the Madden team have sent us this exclusive blog covering the return of formation subs. Make sure to read it and post your thoughts.
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I know some wish this was less restrictive but, as soon as it was announced I wondered how the commish of my online CFM would handle the cause an unlimited formation subs may cause in our league. I understand that an off line CFM shouldn't suffer because of that.
It in. That's the good part. If they can add a feature this last minute then they can adjust it if they want.
It in. That's the good part. If they can add a feature this last minute then they can adjust it if they want.
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TarHeelPhenom @ 08/09/16 10:39 PM
Im an old head with an old school mentality; so these formation personnel restrictions dont bother me none.
People complaining , like myself, have very right. Am I glad it's in? Yes. But it's an incomplete feature that was inexcusably removed. If you're going to add a feature back in it shouldn't be so restrictive.
That's not a tough crowd. That's a hungry crowd with realistic expectations.
That's not a tough crowd. That's a hungry crowd with realistic expectations.
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This is frustrating. This was what I was most excited for.
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My main issue was gameplay.
The BSH of def players on kickoff was/is always much higher than LB's BLK ratings on KR causing them to be swimmed or block broken with ease.
Don't know why def players were chosen on the return team when a good 99% of blockers on the return are from the offensive side (for there blocking abilities of course).
Good thing is that the positions never change (i.e. 3rd MLB, 2nd ROLB etc), so there's still the ability to tweak ratings to clean the KO/KR phase up if we're not satisfied.
Just requires some elbow grease.
The BSH of def players on kickoff was/is always much higher than LB's BLK ratings on KR causing them to be swimmed or block broken with ease.
Don't know why def players were chosen on the return team when a good 99% of blockers on the return are from the offensive side (for there blocking abilities of course).
Good thing is that the positions never change (i.e. 3rd MLB, 2nd ROLB etc), so there's still the ability to tweak ratings to clean the KO/KR phase up if we're not satisfied.
Just requires some elbow grease.
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So what should they have done in your opinion? Not bring it back until it's exactly like some want? So someone like me would have to do without? I can do a lot of sim things with this feature as it is.
Seems like it will be easier to make changes to it during the cycle now that it's in rather than to keep waiting for it.
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I mean yes I'd rather have what they are giving over nothing. But that should not satisfy people or be the bar. Half done features/additions only add the the list of issues in a sports title.
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The players available to substitute are 1:1 consistent with both the Franchise depth chart and in-game formation substitutions. What you, me, and the rest of OS wants is apparently additional functionality, or at the very least a change request.
Tiburon chose to prioritize making available the logic that exists in-game in a new out-of-game screen - and doing the entire sim community a solid in the process - as opposed to putting it off one more year.
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zacification1 @ 08/09/16 11:24 PM
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Exactly. The should have never taken it out crowd helps nothing.
And totally agree that this wasn't half baked. Guys can disagree but, they restricted it on purpose to prevent potential exploits.
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And I still don't see this exploits argument. It's only available in CFM, so it's up to the user to exploit it in their franchise. Even in online franchises, I assume everyone has house rules. You could just say certain things aren't allowed.
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TheBleedingRed21 @ 08/09/16 11:33 PM
Some will never be satisfied, which doesn't hurt anything as EA will listen as long as it's constructive.
The problem is becoming the constant whining of "they should've never taken it out", that's easy to say when you don't understand how games are made and how coding works.
And then there is those who are selfish and would want us to wait for the feature to be full fledged out instead of the dev team redirecting resources to get the community a feature that is highly requested. It's just unbelievable to me.
The problem is becoming the constant whining of "they should've never taken it out", that's easy to say when you don't understand how games are made and how coding works.
And then there is those who are selfish and would want us to wait for the feature to be full fledged out instead of the dev team redirecting resources to get the community a feature that is highly requested. It's just unbelievable to me.
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Also, I think them adding this in hardly should be considered a "solid". Sure they didn't have to add it in this year, but they really didn't have to add anything in.
Look I'm getting the game regardless and will enjoy it, but the implementation is pretty disappointing.
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Realistically, it's the kind of restrictions that have to be put in the game until CPU's become sentient and do not have to abide by an indisputable "law" set forth by programmers.
Realistically, it's the type of restriction that has to be there because it was (obviously) added very late in the development/production cycle, and they're trying to cut-back on as many exploits (that gamers would surely find) as possible. Which essentially makes this addition a beta run on a live platform that will give them loads of data and opinions to improve for '18 and beyond... meaning, you may not have to wait a full, first-world country year to get the perfect product you deserve. Better a year early than a yearly later...
You treat it as a "must have now" type of implement, where as the others see it for what it is, and that's a better future for the game and it's direction, regardless of how well/not so well the game is at the current state. Whether it's complete or incomplete doesn't matter. The fact is, formation subs are back. Period. That's a huge win for a lot of NFL gamers in itself.
Just be happy for once the team is finally hearing "us".
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The options here with respect to Madden NFL 17 at launch are very clearly one of two things: what we now have, or nothing. Which would you rather have?
Can we not be happy for even a moment that Tiburon is very demonstrably listening to the wishes of its hardcore audience and has gone above and beyond the call of duty to get us something we all want in the game by launch without moving the goalposts and finding yet another reason to berate them?
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SolidSquid @ 08/10/16 01:00 AM
Auto subs can't be used in online franchise? Bummer I always do my solo franchises online bc of the faster sim speed from week to week
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BleedGreen710 @ 08/10/16 01:27 AM
anyone just checking in who wants to know why some people are disappointed:
- there is restriction to which positions can be subbed where
- cannot put JJ Watt at tight end, cannot put WR at HB, SS at OLB, etc
- no formation subs for kickoff formations
anything I missed?
- there is restriction to which positions can be subbed where
- cannot put JJ Watt at tight end, cannot put WR at HB, SS at OLB, etc
- no formation subs for kickoff formations
anything I missed?
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