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MLB 11 The Show: Franchise Trade and Off Season Logic Has Been Massively Improved

06:28 PM - January 24, 2011 by Russell_SCEA

This is a very very late addition/change to MLB 11 The Show. Kolbe and Jeff Ulman, one of our senior AI programmers, went into the cave this past weekend and re-wrote a massive amount of code for trades and off-season logic for franchise mode.

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# 301 theaub @ 03/04/11 09:23 PM

Hmm I thought they did replicate years, but not the salary (because they're in the default roster screen this year).

# 302 Heroesandvillains @ 03/04/11 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by theaub


	Hmm I thought they did replicate years, but not the salary (because they're in the default roster screen this year).

Not unless it's been changed...

# 303 jtott @ 03/04/11 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nonnel


	I think the original thread said exactly what was improved. Trade logic. That's the improvement. Not trying to be sarcastic, but what more information are you looking for? It means that the logic in which the cpu trades with is more realistic, hence improved. Improved trade logic. There you go.

Has any one played Nba 2k11? I posted something on this a while back.. and within a couple of weeks SCEA announced that some improvements were being made to the trade system. Anyway in Nba 2k11, when you are wanting to trade a player, Let's say.. Matt Holliday.. click on Holliday,and press "search" and it then finds all the offers from other teams for your player....... OR let's say I want to aquire Ryan Howard... I click on Howard.. click search , and the Phillies tell me who they want from my team for him.
I just think that it's a very cool system.... I think the trading in the Show is somewhat blah.... You try and make a trade and you either get a full bar or you you don't and in last years case .. a full bar didn't mean that the trade was going to go through...... It's a system that could use some changing that's all . The Show is the BEST baseball game.. Period! The trading in the game is the one thing that I don't think has ever been changed though.

# 304 econoodle @ 03/04/11 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by theaub


	I think the logic looks improved; you still have the problems with players who IRL wouldn't be traded, but at the end of the day it would make sense for these guys to be moved. For example, I just simmed to July 31st. Sabathia and Hughes got hurt and the Yanks are in 4th in the East...so they shipped Jeter to the Cubs for Castro and a good prospect. Makes sense to me since the Cubs are fighting for 1st in the Central (if anything the Cubs got ripped) Other "name" guys who got traded were Rios (2 A prospects), Burnett (for Mike Minor), V-Dub (doesn't make $26 mil in this game hah), Teixiera (um...guess the Yanks are really going firesale mode haha...got Freeman + 2 A prospects though), Slowey and Tejada You could argue with the Yankees firesale, but I think its pretty solid. Yanks system is absolutely loaded now too.

wait, so AJ, Tex and Jeter all got traded at the deadline?
wtf.
that is far from cool.
Firesale? no i'd say thats bad trade logic lol.

also, if Sabathia and Hughes got hurt, why in the world would u trade your only other 'reliable' starter?
Whos the number one starter for them now, Nova?
scratching my head here.

# 305 joepa2624 @ 03/05/11 12:38 AM

My hatred for the Yankees makes me love this ^^^ Lol. If that is how the trade logic is consistently then I'm really going to enjoy this years franchise. I hated having to control all 30 teams to prevent unrealistic trades.

Expiring contracts on non playoff competitive teams should be dealt to teams that are making playoff pushes so it's nice to see something like this happen. But the few people that think those deals are unrealistic might have a point b/c the Yankees NEVER unload. This year could be a first...

# 306 Knight165 @ 03/05/11 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by joepa2624


	My hatred for the Yankees makes me love this ^^^ Lol. If that is how the trade logic is consistently then I'm really going to enjoy this years franchise. I hated having to control all 30 teams to prevent unrealistic trades. Expiring contracts on non playoff competitive teams should be dealt to teams that are making playoff pushes so it's nice to see something like this happen. But the few people that think those deals are unrealistic might have a point b/c the Yankees NEVER unload. This year could be a first...

I would agree...except I guess you guys aren't old enough to remember the NON-Steingrabber Yankees of the mid 60's-mid 70's and even the early 80's somewhat. Certainly not the same style of GM mindset as today's Yankees.
You must keep in mind...that the dev team isn't just making a one, two or even just a 10 year franchise mode....it's an ongoing and meant to be FLUID(think cyclical perhaps)....thing. To lock it into the Yankees of today would be just as unrealistic as the trades mentioned and would have me scratching my head if the Yanks...in year 2025 after 8 consecutive losing years and aging do-nothings kept pouring $$ into the same kind of losing system without trying to reload.
It's a catch-22 really....

I'm pumped at the info about trade deadline activity!!!

M.K.
Knight165

# 307 bigdaddykraven @ 03/05/11 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by econoodle


	wait, so AJ, Tex and Jeter all got traded at the deadline? wtf. that is far from cool. Firesale? no i'd say thats bad trade logic lol. also, if Sabathia and Hughes got hurt, why in the world would u trade your only other 'reliable' starter? Whos the number one starter for them now, Nova? scratching my head here.

The logic sounds fine. The game doesn't seem to recognize them as The Yankees but a team in 4th place with a lot of big salaries and aging (32 and older) players. In general for most teams, those moves would be very logical if they knew they weren't competing this year but wanted to compete again soon.

The fact that Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder, Pujols and at least 2-3 other top names in the game weren't traded for A prospects says improvement for me.

# 308 econoodle @ 03/05/11 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by joepa2624


	My hatred for the Yankees makes me love this ^^^ Lol. If that is how the trade logic is consistently then I'm really going to enjoy this years franchise. I hated having to control all 30 teams to prevent unrealistic trades. Expiring contracts on non playoff competitive teams should be dealt to teams that are making playoff pushes so it's nice to see something like this happen. But the few people that think those deals are unrealistic might have a point b/c the Yankees NEVER unload. This year could be a first...

ii hear ya. lol
but the Yankees are the #2 ranked team in the game, so for them to damn it all and start unloading 3 star players by the ASB because they had a bad first half, mind you thanks to injuries to the 1 and 2 starters, is a bit suspect. It should be cause for some alarm.

# 309 joepa2624 @ 03/05/11 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddykraven


	The logic sounds fine. The game doesn't seem to recognize them as The Yankees but a team in 4th place with a lot of big salaries and aging (32 and older) players. In general for most teams, those moves would be very logical if they knew they weren't competing this year but wanted to compete again soon. The fact that Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder, Pujols and at least 2-3 other top names in the game weren't traded for A prospects says improvement for me.

Agreed, except with the way spring training has begun I wouldn't be surprised to see Fielder and possibly Pujols traded for multiple A prospects. There is about a 20% chance the Brewers will resign Fielder and they could use a couple big league ready players to fill holes as well a few pitching prospects for the future. Sadly, I could see the Yankees overpaying for him....Or maybe a darkhorse team like the Angels or Indians? It'd also be pretty fitting if he was dealt to the Tigers

# 310 econoodle @ 03/05/11 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddykraven


	The logic sounds fine. The game doesn't seem to recognize them as The Yankees but a team in 4th place with a lot of big salaries and aging (32 and older) players. In general for most teams, those moves would be very logical if they knew they weren't competing this year but wanted to compete again soon. The fact that Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder, Pujols and at least 2-3 other top names in the game weren't traded for A prospects says improvement for me.

But the fact remains, CC and Hughes are hurt, the 1 and 2 starters. They trade the #3 starter.
What staff are they left with?
What GM would do that to the team?

The Yankees 4 and 5 starters are surely very low rated in the game. So they are now the aces during the injuries to the top dogs?

Who plays first and short?

I know many want to justify the trades there, but I have to respectfully disagree here.

In any event, the trade logic will be a hot button topic around here for sure. lol

# 311 bigdaddykraven @ 03/05/11 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by econoodle


	But the fact remains, CC and Hughes are hurt, the 1 and 2 starters. They trade the #3 starter. What staff are they left with? What GM would do that to the team? The Yankees 4 and 5 starters are surely very low rated in the game. So they are now the aces during the injuries to the top dogs? Who plays first and short? I know many want to justify the trades there, but I have to respectfully disagree here. In any event, the trade logic will be a hot button topic around here for sure. lol

I agree that the logic will be flawed however I rest on the note that again it seems by this one sim that its better than last year's. I'm also interested in wanting to know if after a few years the top players are stuck in free agency because average SS are asking for $15M a year!

Yeah last year's game, while fun, had so many holes in it I have to say it was probably the least fun franchise I'd played of all the MLB games. So every little improvement can help.

Another question this brings up is do teams FINALLY look for help from the Free Agency when injuries happen during the season?

# 312 econoodle @ 03/05/11 01:51 AM

good post Jdurg,

I like your ideas, it reminds me of last gen Madden with the 'Player Roles', it really set the franchise mod apart.

# 313 mikey rockz @ 03/05/11 01:56 AM

I don't agree with the logic of the Yankees trades because for 1, mark has 5 years left in his contract, aj and jeter have 3 years left on theirs. Check the al east screenshots to see that. And 2 starting pitchers get hurt so they trade the 3rd starter? Not smart. I don't like that because 2 stars get injured you throw away the next couple of seasons and start your franchise over.

On another note, I also feel another season should be simulated and track the trades again. Can't base everything on just 1 simmed season

# 314 FreAk47 @ 03/05/11 02:31 AM

I don't really have a problem with those moves. That logic would fit well for 90% of the teams in the league...it's just that its something the current Yankees management would likely never. Adding team specific front office mentalities seems like a complicated thing, so I am ok with a general logic that seems to fit most teams.

# 315 Knight165 @ 03/05/11 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FreAk47


	I don't really have a problem with those moves. That logic would fit well for 90% of the teams in the league...it's just that its something the current Yankees management would likely never. Adding team specific front office mentalities seems like a complicated thing, so I am ok with a general logic that seems to fit most teams.

I agree.
While maybe not complicated(maybe it is....)....
To lock a team into a SPECIFIC type of Front Office for an entire franchise simulation(one that could go indefinitely if you want in the game) would be much more unrealistic than any moves you might disagree with IMO.

M.K.
Knight165

# 316 theaub @ 03/05/11 11:27 AM

To answer some of the questions, in those trades, the Yankees acquired a ML SS (Castro) a ML 1B (Freeman) and a ML SP (Minor). So they did replace everyone they traded, and in fact did so in each trade.

Also I'll sim another season right now and also go through FA

# 317 Knight165 @ 03/05/11 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by theaub


	To answer some of the questions, in those trades, the Yankees acquired a ML SS (Castro) a ML 1B (Freeman) and a ML SP (Minor). So they did replace everyone they traded, and in fact did so in each trade. Also I'll sim another season right now and also go through FA

That virtual Cashman is a genius!
He got younger and cheaper....while in 4th place.
Give him a raise!

M.K.
Knight165

# 318 econoodle @ 03/05/11 12:41 PM

Heres another trade that gives me pause.

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	May: 3 - NYY sends Chris Russo and Rafael Soriano to STL for a "C" 1B prospect

1 month into the season Soriano gets moved?
One of the top relievers in the game and somebody they just picked up for a mid-level 1st baseman? Thats all they can get for him? Plus, with Mo getting older, wonder why the game would send his possible replacement packing? Seeing as Soriano is probably listed as a closer or at least has the stamina of one.
I don't know. Hard to justify this.

# 319 theaub @ 03/05/11 12:48 PM

Well the game doesn't know that they just got Soriano...and he's listed as a RP in the game (which is why I am a fan of turning all closers into RP's when the roster set comes out).

But I agree they did get ripped on that one. There were 4/5 trades that were iffy, but its still worlds ahead of last year.

(The new season is posted the impressions thread)

# 320 econoodle @ 03/05/11 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by theaub


	Well the game doesn't know that they just got Soriano...and he's listed as a RP in the game (which is why I am a fan of turning all closers into RP's when the roster set comes out). But I agree they did get ripped on that one. There were 4/5 trades that were iffy, but its still worlds ahead of last year. (The new season is posted the impressions thread)

thats true.
i had a discussion with someone bout David Lee getting traded right away in 2k11, all the AI saw was a HUGE 6 year contract they wanted to unload.
I guess my concern is what they got in return.

Also, how come the SCEA guys never get traded to teams.

Good stuff AU!

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