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MLB 11 The Show: Franchise Trade and Off Season Logic Has Been Massively Improved

06:28 PM - January 24, 2011 by Russell_SCEA

This is a very very late addition/change to MLB 11 The Show. Kolbe and Jeff Ulman, one of our senior AI programmers, went into the cave this past weekend and re-wrote a massive amount of code for trades and off-season logic for franchise mode.

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# 221 KJWILLIAMS1 @ 02/01/11 12:08 AM

Everyone is on edge. Lets play the game for ourselves and pass judgement then. I am buying and playing nonstop regardless. lol

# 222 Knight165 @ 02/01/11 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hitstreak13


	Knight, You are a well respected man. I think I may take your advice and do that. Thanks man.

Thank you...and the feeling is reciprocal ....

M.K.
Knight165

# 223 Skyboxer @ 02/01/11 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by hitstreak13


	I apologize man. I assumed because you said "but i choose to support developers that actually give a damn"* I assumed that you meant that I didnt care. My apologies for assuming that.*

Nope didnt mean that. And its all good. I was just pointing out why i support the game.
In any case...meant nothing personal
I just get (overly sometimes) passionate a out some things when I should just ignore things.

# 224 hitstreak13 @ 02/01/11 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyboxer


	Nope didnt mean that. And its all good. I was just pointing out why i support the game. In any case...meant nothing personal I just get (overly sometimes) passionate a out some things when I should just ignore things. Mainly knowing how Madden sold tons each year despite never giving the gamers what they want, and instead acting as if they knew better about what we wanted. Holier than though attitudes and run away if i dont like the critism strategy. And here we have a crew that goes well above whats expected and will make changes on the fly based on input from gamers.

Yea I agree with what you are saying. This dev. team doesn't get enough recognition because every single year they add things that we, the community, ask for. They listen and implement our ideas. For this reason, I can see why you are passionate (at times like you said

). But, the show series has been one of the few games that has stepped up its game in the next gen console.

Nonetheless, I am going to bite the bullet and try it out instead of gift it like knight said lol. If I like it, I'll just get him a $40 gift card or something.

# 225 econoodle @ 02/01/11 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cardsfan2222


	I just haven't seen a reason to spend $60 to have to start my franchise over. I love that the developers seem to care so much about their game, but I only play franchise and it didn't get much work this year. Having a one-year old with another on the way, I don't have $60 to to spend on a product that will play substantially the same for me, even though I would love to have the graphical upgrades. With franchise rumored to be getting worked over for 2012, I feel like I'll be better off waiting until then to upgrade.

bingo.
i was flip flopping on getting 11 just because of the fielding changes, but i am having a fun run in 10 in my Nats [worst to first] franny, so I am just about ready to call it a day and just continue to put in my efforts on 10.

for me, 60 bucks needs to give me more franchise [overhauls to the UI among other things. MLB Headlines. Its BRUTAL trying to gather info from around the league. someone threw a no-no? Good luck hearing about it], and better tv presentation.
its not there, so I can't justify spending 60.
I just dont see how people are expected to buy the gae every year.
When did that become mandatory, lest we be maligned for not supporting Sony.
I dont owe em anything, I bought NBA The Inside!

The changes that were made are awesome and i cant wait to see what 12 brings with another year of tweaks to those elements as well as a new franchise experience.
but for the people crying foul, send me 60 clams, if u wanna support sony, i'll be sure to use it on a copy.
for me, I aint Rockerfeller and Chien Ming wang is pitching like Bob Feller.

The Nats WILL rise!

# 226 EnigmaNemesis @ 02/01/11 11:29 AM

You can not overhaul a franchise mode every year.

I don't get it. The mode is still one of the deepest in the gaming world, and with much improved budgets and trade logic it is even better. Not to mention the countless of other upgrades. The gameplay in general, it is a whole new game.

I will say, '10 was great, but inferior in almost all accounts to '11.

(better models, better lighting, better stadiums with unique jumbotrons, better ball physics, better fielding by far, better rtts, better sports ticker, better online, better league structures, player vault, fantastic analog controls, better stts features, better trade logic and budgets which was the main franchise complaint overall, better osd menu layout, better addition to the commentary team, overall much better game, and that is just a few things mentioned)

I guess some are not hardcore into baseball games enough, yet they expect hardcore changes to a single mode which can not warrant it every year. No game will. This game spins all year round for me, and sometimes I feel I waste my $60 on other games that sit on the shelf cause of this one. So much so, a game would have to be like G-d of War, Killzone or Uncharted type to get it day one, since this game takes up 90% of my gaming time.

There is no way I could play '10 since the CE. Not after playing '11. The game is too much of an upgrade to miss out. It is the biggest jump the series ever seen IMO.

To each their own I guess.

# 227 Rwings832 @ 02/01/11 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EnigmaNemesis


	You can not overhaul a franchise mode every year. I don't get it. The mode is still one of the deepest in the gaming world, and with much improved budgets and trade logic it is even better. Not to mention the countless of other upgrades. The gameplay in general, it is a whole new game. I will say, '10 was great, but inferior in almost all accounts to '11. (better models, better lighting, better stadiums with unique jumbotrons, better ball physics, better fielding by far, better rtts, better sports ticker, better online, better league structures, player vault, fantastic analog controls, better stts features, better trade logic and budgets which was the main franchise complaint overall, better osd menu layout, better addition to the commentary team, overall much better game, and that is just a few things mentioned) I guess some are not hardcore into baseball games enough, yet they expect hardcore changes to a single mode which can not warrant it every year. No game will. This game spins all year round for me, and sometimes I feel I waste my $60 on other games that sit on the shelf cause of this one. So much so, a game would have to be like G-d of War, Killzone or Uncharted type to get it day one, since this game takes up 90% of my gaming time. There is no way I could play '10 since the CE. Not after playing '11. The game is too much of an upgrade to miss out. It is the biggest jump the series ever seen IMO. To each their own I guess.

Well Said, the player vault, and the new budgets and trade logic is what has me very excited.

# 228 Knight165 @ 02/01/11 12:09 PM

Enigma...I do agree with you...especially that it can't be overhauled every year nor should it!...but I'm going to play devil's advocate here a bit.
I think most of the guys saying they might just wait for the overhaul....already agree that while '10's franchise didn't need an overhaul, in order for them to move away from the franchises they have invested a lot of time into...they needed some sort of change.
That's an easy move for the guys whose main thrust is playing games....and the franchise is in the background. It's all there for them...new models...new controls...beautiful stadiums...NO BRAINER.
But for a guy who would rather stare at the stat screens and scour the teams for their possible ace that is 4 years away in franchise and try and figure a way to pry him without sacrificing a integral piece in the process...and the game on the field...which is still important and fun is secondary.(not an afterthought....those guys are playing OOTP

)
You know what would solve this problem 1-2-3?(but is not easy to do ..

)...have us have the ability to move franchise files from one version to the next.
For some franchise nuts...these late additions and changes might be enough to have them give '11 a go. For some...it might not.
I respect both.

I'll also be honest on something....which started this back and forth....something I've never understood on boards...the need to post that you won't be picking up the game. Just me maybe...but it's weird. I guess no more strange than guys saying "DAY 1 PURCHASE!!!!1111"...but to me...it's weird.

M.K.
Knight165

# 229 Skyboxer @ 02/01/11 01:03 PM

I've asked almost every year (Madden, The Show etc...) and it really never is or seems to be, high on to do list. Mainly due to if the game has a change in player ratings etc... it would just make a lot of work and possibly time away from other things.

So while I'd love the ability to import my franchise like I did back on FPSFB, I also understand it's not and easy addition by any means.

I would still like a print feature

# 230 Knight165 @ 02/01/11 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyboxer


	I've asked almost every year (Madden, The Show etc...) and it really never is or seems to be, high on to do list. Mainly due to if the game has a change in player ratings etc... it would just make a lot of work and possibly time away from other things. So while I'd love the ability to import my franchise like I did back on FPSFB, I also understand it's not and easy addition by any means. I would still like a print feature

I included the print feature on my list....I also bolded it.
I asked for STATS-STATS-STATS....a complete stat page instead of the card...WITH career team tracking and the ability to either print stat and roster pages directly from the game OR the ability to dump the page to a file on the XMB for print from there or you PC after transferring the files.
Here's hoping!

M.K.
Knight165

# 231 myghty @ 02/01/11 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Knight165


	I included the print feature on my list....I also bolded it. I asked for STATS-STATS-STATS....a complete stat page instead of the card...WITH career team tracking and the ability to either print stat and roster pages directly from the game OR the ability to dump the page to a file on the XMB for print from there or you PC after transferring the files. Here's hoping! M.K. Knight165

Man, I would LOVE a STATS page & get rid of the baseball card look. Printing stats would be cool too.

# 232 Two Seamer @ 02/01/11 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Knight165


	I included the print feature on my list....I also bolded it. I asked for STATS-STATS-STATS....a complete stat page instead of the card...WITH career team tracking and the ability to either print stat and roster pages directly from the game OR the ability to dump the page to a file on the XMB for print from there or you PC after transferring the files. Here's hoping!

Awesome. Another thought: options being the king of the video game upgrade world, if they do choose to incorporate expanded stats, would it be difficult to include an option as to which stats are overlayed in-game? Intuitively, it seems like a simple option to me that could please many and upset none. But I don't know if programming that would take too much work.

Worth asking for?

# 233 EnigmaNemesis @ 02/01/11 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Knight165


	Enigma...I do agree with you...especially that it can't be overhauled every year nor should it!...but I'm going to play devil's advocate here a bit. I think most of the guys saying they might just wait for the overhaul....already agree that while '10's franchise didn't need an overhaul, in order for them to move away from the franchises they have invested a lot of time into...they needed some sort of change. That's an easy move for the guys whose main thrust is playing games....and the franchise is in the background. It's all there for them...new models...new controls...beautiful stadiums...NO BRAINER. But for a guy who would rather stare at the stat screens and scour the teams for their possible ace that is 4 years away in franchise and try and figure a way to pry him without sacrificing a integral piece in the process...and the game on the field...which is still important and fun is secondary.(not an afterthought....those guys are playing OOTP ) You know what would solve this problem 1-2-3?(but is not easy to do ..)...have us have the ability to move franchise files from one version to the next. For some franchise nuts...these late additions and changes might be enough to have them give '11 a go. For some...it might not. I respect both. I'll also be honest on something....which started this back and forth....something I've never understood on boards...the need to post that you won't be picking up the game. Just me maybe...but it's weird. I guess no more strange than guys saying "DAY 1 PURCHASE!!!!1111"...but to me...it's weird. M.K. Knight165

I agree with you. I can see both sides of the coin. But sometimes it seems that when franchise is overhauled, what will be the next thing on the list to say why you are skipping the following year's game for some?

Maybe I am just used to buying baseball games every year since Atari. And the fact that I get so involved with playing every game, I never have time for multiple years. I dunno. Tough nut to crack.

But the continue franchise feature is also super high on the wish-list for me for the community. I may not use it, but if it allows others to enjoy all the new gameplay features without sacrificing their investment in their franchise, then heck yes.

I hope it us considered in the franchise re-boot Kolbe wants to do. Since if it is taken into considering and built around it, it could be very beneficial. RttS as well.

# 234 CuseGirl @ 02/01/11 02:12 PM

I hear that the Franchise mode's trade/free agency logic has been changed, will these changes be ported to RTTS?

After playing 8 seasons in RTTS and (attribute wise) becoming one of the best players in the game, I had no intention of re-signing with the White Sox (who traded for me from Toronto) and I was waiting for the Phillies/Red Sox/Yankee offer of 18 to 20 million a year and nothing came. So I had to go to Yankee Spring Training.....will that NOT happen again? Thanx in advance....

# 235 Russell_SCEA @ 02/01/11 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CuseGirl


	I hear that the Franchise mode's trade/free agency logic has been changed, will these changes be ported to RTTS? After playing 8 seasons in RTTS and (attribute wise) becoming one of the best players in the game, I had no intention of re-signing with the White Sox (who traded for me from Toronto) and I was waiting for the Phillies/Red Sox/Yankee offer of 18 to 20 million a year and nothing came. So I had to go to Yankee Spring Training.....will that NOT happen again? Thanx in advance....

Both modes share the same logic for the most part

# 236 Knight165 @ 02/01/11 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA


	Both modes share the same logic for the most part

Aha....I see a gameplay vid with the Padre camo's in our near future!

Nice avy!

M.K.
Knight165

# 237 CuseGirl @ 02/01/11 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA


	Both modes share the same logic for the most part

Good. So does this mean the amount of all-star level pitching will be reduced? It seemed like every team had 4 great pitchers and then the FA list was full of studs.

# 238 Knight165 @ 02/01/11 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CuseGirl


	Good. So does this mean the amount of all-star level pitching will be reduced? It seemed like every team had 4 great pitchers and then the FA list was full of studs.

That will be remedied with the player vault...less A and B rated pitchers in your rosters to start.
Last year...the base sets were LOADED with A/B pitchers.

M.K.
Knight165

# 239 CuseGirl @ 02/01/11 03:18 PM

Player vault? Or is that a typo for "value"? lolll

# 240 Knight165 @ 02/01/11 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CuseGirl


	Player vault? Or is that a typo for "value"? lolll

Nope.
The Player Vault is a new feature....where users can upload players they've created....of any potential rating and others can download them and import them(by swapping out ANY player) into their roster to start a franchise.
You won't have the ability to import SCEA created players...only generated ones....but you CAN sway OUT SCEA/devs or generated players from the set...making the set any balance you like.
A little work...but I'm sure guys will be doing all sorts of sets.

M.K.
Knight165

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