MLB 11 The Show: Franchise Trade and Off Season Logic Has Been Massively Improved

[joepa2624]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigdaddykraven

The logic sounds fine. The game doesn't seem to recognize them as The Yankees but a team in 4th place with a lot of big salaries and aging (32 and older) players. In general for most teams, those moves would be very logical if they knew they weren't competing this year but wanted to compete again soon. The fact that Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder, Pujols and at least 2-3 other top names in the game weren't traded for A prospects says improvement for me.

Agreed, except with the way spring training has begun I wouldn't be surprised to see Fielder and possibly Pujols traded for multiple A prospects. There is about a 20% chance the Brewers will resign Fielder and they could use a couple big league ready players to fill holes as well a few pitching prospects for the future. Sadly, I could see the Yankees overpaying for him....Or maybe a darkhorse team like the Angels or Indians? It'd also be pretty fitting if he was dealt to the Tigers

[econoodle]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigdaddykraven

The logic sounds fine. The game doesn't seem to recognize them as The Yankees but a team in 4th place with a lot of big salaries and aging (32 and older) players. In general for most teams, those moves would be very logical if they knew they weren't competing this year but wanted to compete again soon. The fact that Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder, Pujols and at least 2-3 other top names in the game weren't traded for A prospects says improvement for me.

But the fact remains, CC and Hughes are hurt, the 1 and 2 starters. They trade the #3 starter.
What staff are they left with?
What GM would do that to the team?

The Yankees 4 and 5 starters are surely very low rated in the game. So they are now the aces during the injuries to the top dogs?

Who plays first and short?

I know many want to justify the trades there, but I have to respectfully disagree here.

In any event, the trade logic will be a hot button topic around here for sure. lol

[bigdaddykraven]

Quote: Originally Posted by econoodle

But the fact remains, CC and Hughes are hurt, the 1 and 2 starters. They trade the #3 starter. What staff are they left with? What GM would do that to the team? The Yankees 4 and 5 starters are surely very low rated in the game. So they are now the aces during the injuries to the top dogs? Who plays first and short? I know many want to justify the trades there, but I have to respectfully disagree here. In any event, the trade logic will be a hot button topic around here for sure. lol

I agree that the logic will be flawed however I rest on the note that again it seems by this one sim that its better than last year's. I'm also interested in wanting to know if after a few years the top players are stuck in free agency because average SS are asking for $15M a year!

Yeah last year's game, while fun, had so many holes in it I have to say it was probably the least fun franchise I'd played of all the MLB games. So every little improvement can help.

Another question this brings up is do teams FINALLY look for help from the Free Agency when injuries happen during the season?

[Jdurg]

Quote: Originally Posted by econoodle

But the fact remains, CC and Hughes are hurt, the 1 and 2 starters. They trade the #3 starter. What staff are they left with? What GM would do that to the team? The Yankees 4 and 5 starters are surely very low rated in the game. So they are now the aces during the injuries to the top dogs? Who plays first and short? I know many want to justify the trades there, but I have to respectfully disagree here. In any event, the trade logic will be a hot button topic around here for sure. lol

I actually think the trade logic is fine. It's difficult to do, but you have to remember that in the game there are no "names". Just players with certain stats/ratings and minor leaguers with stats/ratings. I don't know what the years left on the contract were, but if the guys who were traded had one or two years left, with the team in 4th place and seemingly out of contention, the game decided that getting prospects back instead would be a good option. If Hughes and Sabbathia are injured and the Yankees are out of it, what is the point in the game logic of having a third starter of high caliber? If we could get more information about the years left in the contracts, the exact standings, and the ratings of the minor leaguers in their system, then I think we could make a better analysis of the logic.

Based on what was stated, I think the trade logic is very much improved and can't wait to play the game. I believe that the only way to really settle the "why did get traded?" and also keep the good logic for the future intact, the devs would need to really update the attributes of the players. Somehow insert a stat that would indicate if a player was a "team" player. So that if you had a guy who had been with a team his entire career and put up good numbers overall, he'd be considered a "team player" and therefore would be incredibly unlikely/impossible to be traded. This way someone like Derek Jeter would always stay with the Yankees, or Chipper Jones would always stay with the Braves. Using this for the "no-name" future players, the stats they've accumulated through their career and a deemed "importance" would affect this "team player" rating. I think this would be nice to for RttS so that if you come up through a team's minor leagues as a highly rated prospect and you perform well in the majors, you'd be deemed a "team player" and would not likely be traded by your team. Again though, this would probably take a LOT of time to implement and be fairly tedious to do.

[econoodle]

good post Jdurg,

I like your ideas, it reminds me of last gen Madden with the 'Player Roles', it really set the franchise mod apart.

[mikey rockz]

I don't agree with the logic of the Yankees trades because for 1, mark has 5 years left in his contract, aj and jeter have 3 years left on theirs. Check the al east screenshots to see that. And 2 starting pitchers get hurt so they trade the 3rd starter? Not smart. I don't like that because 2 stars get injured you throw away the next couple of seasons and start your franchise over.

On another note, I also feel another season should be simulated and track the trades again. Can't base everything on just 1 simmed season

[FreAk47]

I don't really have a problem with those moves. That logic would fit well for 90% of the teams in the league...it's just that its something the current Yankees management would likely never. Adding team specific front office mentalities seems like a complicated thing, so I am ok with a general logic that seems to fit most teams.

[Knight165]

Quote: Originally Posted by FreAk47

I don't really have a problem with those moves. That logic would fit well for 90% of the teams in the league...it's just that its something the current Yankees management would likely never. Adding team specific front office mentalities seems like a complicated thing, so I am ok with a general logic that seems to fit most teams.

I agree.
While maybe not complicated(maybe it is....)....
To lock a team into a SPECIFIC type of Front Office for an entire franchise simulation(one that could go indefinitely if you want in the game) would be much more unrealistic than any moves you might disagree with IMO.

M.K.
Knight165