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Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

04:08 PM - November 2, 2013 by royounggoku

QJB checks in with his third Madden NFL 25 next-gen video. This one focuses on the IGNITE technology and next-gen visuals.

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# 181 ruttentud @ 11/03/13 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet Sufferer


	I guess after 9 years on a desert island Rosie O'Donnell wouldn't look that bad either.

bahahahaha

# 182 jyoung @ 11/03/13 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	You thought they made 2k8 in one dev cycle???? They made it in 3 dev cycles and it was for the most part a port of 2k5.

Wrong on both accounts.

All-Pro Football 2K8 was made in 6 months.

Visual Concepts started working on it in full in January 2007, and the game went gold in early July 2007.

It was not a simple port of NFL 2K5, either. According to Greg Thomas, the president of Visual Concepts at the time:

"All Pro Football 2K8 was rebuilt for next generation. I think that our overall plan has been: we want to keep the spirit of NFL 2K5, but we want to really build from the ground up on a lot of different [areas]. If there's a number, say six different key basic foundations to this game, we're probably rebuilding four of them. So I think that from that standpoint we're really re-engineering most of everything, but we do want that ultimate feel to be what our fans have always liked."

Obviously, they kept some elements in tact, but much of the code base was re-engineered for All Pro Football 2K8.

# 183 reverend_heat @ 11/03/13 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jyoung


	Wrong on both accounts. All-Pro Football 2K8 was made in 6 months. Visual Concepts started working on it in full in January 2007, and the game went gold in June 2007. It was not a simple port of NFL 2K5, either. According to Greg Thomas, the president of Visual Concepts at the time: "All Pro Football 2K8 was rebuilt for next generation. I think that our overall plan has been: we want to keep the spirit of NFL 2K5, but we want to really build from the ground up on a lot of different [areas]. If there's a number, say six different key basic foundations to this game, we're probably rebuilding four of them. So I think that from that standpoint we're really re-engineering most of everything, but we do want that ultimate feel to be what our fans have always liked." Obviously, they kept some elements in tact, but much of the code base was re-engineered for All Pro Football 2K8.

Which is why it is so depressing to imagine what we would have on our hands if NFL2K 14 actually existed, I try not to.

# 184 Boilerbuzz @ 11/03/13 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	I haven't played the game yet but Sim said when he played he felt all player movement was different not just those who had true step and you can tell that in these videos by QJB, there's next to no skating in them.

You see what you choose to see dude. In this case, you're choosing to not see what you don't want to see.

# 185 kehlis @ 11/03/13 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jyoung


	Wrong on both accounts. All-Pro Football 2K8 was made in 6 months. Visual Concepts started working on it in full in January 2007, and the game went gold in early July 2007. It was not a simple port of NFL 2K5, either. According to Greg Thomas, the president of Visual Concepts at the time

LBZrulez already told him that one, he chose to ignore him on that and will probably ignore you as well.

# 186 Boilerbuzz @ 11/03/13 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kehlis


	LBZrulez already told him that one, he chose to ignore him on that and will probably ignore you as well.

Of course not. Doesn't fit the narrative.

# 187 darknmild @ 11/03/13 10:26 PM

Truth be told none of us know what this game is or isn't. It was funny at first to read these post. Just don't buy the game. I wouldn't buy it but it's the only football game BS if you truly hate Madden don't buy it. Me myself I enjoy it for what it is. A videogame and all you 2k supporters 2k14 doesn't look much better in the gameplay screen upclose it looks good just like Madden looks good up close. Cartoonish have you seen the cg and ng comparisons of 2k those ****s look like cartoons. All fat and bloated. To each his own I guess but this ish gets annoying. Every time someone says they like the here y'all come like the anti-Madden crusade to stone them to death. You constant complainers sound like a bunch of Mitches

# 188 23 @ 11/03/13 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by darknmild


	Truth be told none of us know what this game is or isn't. It was funny at first to read these post. Just don't buy the game. I wouldn't buy it but it's the only football game BS if you truly hate Madden don't buy it. Me myself I enjoy it for what it is. A videogame and all you 2k supporters 2k14 doesn't look much better in the gameplay screen upclose it looks good just like Madden looks good up close. Cartoonish have you seen the cg and ng comparisons of 2k those ****s look like cartoons. All fat and bloated. To each his own I guess but this ish gets annoying. Every time someone says they like the here y'all come like the anti-Madden crusade to stone them to death. You constant complainers sound like a bunch of Mitches

Im going to give you one warning only because changing a letter is unacceptable under the TOS on this site, and I could actually ban you right now, so im telling you, be more respectful to others opinions on here or its a chance you wont last here at this rate.

# 189 Darth Aegis @ 11/04/13 12:25 AM

No real time gameplay vids yet? I'm starting to believe we have a stinker on our hands.

# 190 Maelstrom-XIII @ 11/04/13 12:53 AM

I'm thinking EA would've been better served not having a Next-Gen Launch title, and just postponing their first next-gen effort until next year.

They would've had more time to build from the ground up and install those "foundations" that jp is always ranting on about, PROPERLY.

# 191 jyoung @ 11/04/13 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Maelstrom-XIII


	I'm thinking EA would've been better served not having a Next-Gen Launch title, and just postponing their first next-gen effort until next year. They would've had more time to build from the ground up and install those "foundations" that jp is always ranting on about, PROPERLY.

Madden 10 was a good foundation.

Then Madden 11 came out and completely destroyed that foundation.

Foundations only work if they stay in place and are gradually built upon, not torn down and replaced with cheaper, shinier materials every year.

# 192 brent3419 @ 11/04/13 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jyoung


	Madden 10 was a good foundation. Then Madden 11 came out and completely destroyed that foundation. Foundations only work if they stay in place and are gradually built upon, not torn down and replaced with cheaper, shinier materials every year.

i definately agree. madden 10 was a great game and if they had built upon that model and had hopefully changed the player models we could begetting a different result now. but m11 and 12 was absolutely terrible. i traded my copy of madden 12 in after a month and voiced my frustration on their fb page back then. you dont build a decent sedan and then "rebuild" it with cheap plastic

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# 193 briax87 @ 11/04/13 09:37 AM

the lead devs/designers change every few years, but it's been the same let downs from Tiburon since I've been on this forum (Madden 07)

I can't see Tiburon ever releasing a game that gives me the same "wow" feeling I get when I play a game from another genre/sport for the first time in years

# 194 TCFClemson @ 11/04/13 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by adamgod8


	You guys come across as a bunch of entitled spoiled brats. It doesn't look THAT* bad compared to the state of the game 2-3 years ago.*

2-3 years ago compared to Madden you are correct compared to other sports games by other Devs today it looks terrible.

# 195 TCFClemson @ 11/04/13 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	I can't argue with that, the product can be questioned but the direction is what I'm always talking about. To me that is something that remains to be seen. If the product doesn't meet expectations it's up to you whether you buy it. However, some will buy the game this year just because of o/d line play and the realistic pocket forming. For others it will take an overhaul of animatitions, presentation etc, and for some, they will never buy it because of the letters E and A

That last sentence is BS. FIFA is amazing I buy it every year. The team that makes it has competition pushing them and they put out the best product possible.

# 196 SeventhWard @ 11/05/13 01:59 AM

Fellas -- when a major publicly traded corporation like Electronic Arts/EA Sports which releases a major AAA annual title chooses to NOT reveal gameplay videos less than 2 weeks before the much anticipated release of a new generation of consoles -- put 2 and 2 together: it's 4 a reason!

This is the same EA Sports that shells out big bucks for retired players and celebs to play flag football in Malibu - to promote the game.

This is the same EA Sports that takes over Times Square - to promote the game.

This is the same EA Sports that now chooses to reveal the newest, supposedly most advanced version of the cultural phenomenon that is Madden....on some guy's YouTube Channel?!

There's no embargo, dude. This is BIG BUSINESS. This a conscious decision to NOT show gameplay before launch. Someone said this in a meeting or on a conference call and that person's boss said "You're right, do it!".

Yes, apologists. "But SeventhWard, it's not Maddenoliday! This is November! They're not gonna blow more of their marketing budget to sell Madden 25 again!" Yeah, I hear you. However, let's agree that it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduce that EA Sports is reluctant to reveal Madden 25's next-gen gameplay because it looks TOO similar to current-gen and they don't wanna tank their potential sales.

And EA, if I'm wrong, make me eat these typed words! I sincerely don't mind being wrong when I'm wrong! Reveal the game this week. Just drop a full gameplay video online, dudes. You guys have done it on previous Madden's...sometimes at E3 (several months prior to launch)...so why not this one? Ahhh yes - it's because there's no mystery here, boys. This is a conscious strategic gameplan EA Sports is running to preserve their sales because THEY ARE WORRIED that if we see this thing now, WE WONT BUY IT.

/rant

-SeventhWard

# 197 Mr_Riddick @ 11/05/13 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SeventhWard


	Fellas -- when a major publicly traded corporation like Electronic Arts/EA Sports which releases a major AAA annual title chooses to NOT reveal gameplay videos less than 2 weeks before the much anticipated release of a new generation of consoles -- put 2 and 2 together: it's 4 a reason! This is the same EA Sports that shells out big bucks for retired players and celebs to play flag football in Malibu - to promote the game. This is the same EA Sports that takes over Times Square - to promote the game. This is the same EA Sports that now chooses to reveal the newest, supposedly most advanced version of the cultural phenomenon that is Madden....on some guy's YouTube Channel?! There's no embargo, dude. This is BIG BUSINESS. This a conscious decision to NOT show gameplay before launch. Someone said this in a meeting or on a conference call and that person's boss said "You're right, do it!". Yes, apologists. "But SeventhWard, it's not Maddenoliday! This is November! They're not gonna blow more of their marketing budget to sell Madden 25 again!" Yeah, I hear you. However, let's agree that it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduce that EA Sports is reluctant to reveal Madden 25's next-gen gameplay because it looks TOO similar to current-gen and they don't wanna tank their potential sales. And EA, if I'm wrong, make me eat these typed words! I sincerely don't mind being wrong when I'm wrong! Reveal the game this week. Just drop a full gameplay video online, dudes. You guys have done it on previous Madden's...sometimes at E3 (several months prior to launch)...so why not this one? Ahhh yes - it's because there's no mystery here, boys. This is a conscious strategic gameplan EA Sports is running to preserve their sales because THEY ARE WORRIED that if we see this thing now, WE WONT BUY IT. /rant -SeventhWard

Seems legit to me......

# 198 Kaiser Wilhelm @ 11/05/13 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jyoung


	Madden 10 was a good foundation. Then Madden 11 came out and completely destroyed that foundation. Foundations only work if they stay in place and are gradually built upon, not torn down and replaced with cheaper, shinier materials every year.

You can't keep changing leadership, and direction and expect to have a solid base. Madden has kinda been like the House, every 2 to 4 years, somebody new is in there and they are trying to do something different.

# 199 prey2god @ 11/05/13 11:40 PM

Call me crazy but the guy in the video adding nothing to what is already nothing. It's like peeing on poo.

# 200 jyoung @ 11/06/13 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ovie832


	Madden really caught my eye in 10. It felt like it was heading in the right direction. Then the horrid 11 came out. With their awful idea of Simpler, quicker, deeper or whatever it was (which makes no sense at all).

This three-word mantra pretty much sums up why Madden has failed to deliver a good product from Madden 11 forward.

A modern sports game cannot be simultaneously simple and deep. It has to choose one game style over the other. The same dichotomy applies to quickness vs. deep. Both elements cannot successfully exist in one game.

It didn't work back when Midway tried to play both sides of the sports market with NHL Hitz Pro and NFL Blitz Pro. And it's still not working today for EA Tiburon and Madden.

Yet each year, Madden tries to be both simple and deep, despite the fact that the two game styles are philosophically at odds.

Indecision creates division. Division ultimately leads to collapse.

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