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Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

07:31 PM - June 11, 2012 by Steve_OS

While most of the Madden NFL 13 news out of E3 seems to be positive, we now have something that could turn into a very big issue. Especially if you enjoy roster editing or use edited rosters created by others.

There seemed to be some confusion about edited rosters. More specifically, if edited rosters could be used in Connected Careers Mode.

I sent a few messages to Justin Dewiel, Community Manager at EA Sports earlier this afternoon and received the following responses.

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	You can edit rosters outside of CC. But you can�t bring them into CC. If you start a new CCM career after one of Donny Moore�s releases you can start with that new roster.

Basically, we have to rely on Donny Moore's roster updates, throughout the season, instead of grabbing updated rosters from the many talented roster editors out there, or simply editing on our own.

Jean Adams, Art Director for Madden NFL 13, mentioned the following, in his presentation blog, which was posted in late April.

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	Mixing and matching the new NIKE uniforms, cleats, face masks, sleeves and other yet to be released gear will keep me and many gamers out there in edit player for hours.

Hmmm. I somehow doubt many gamers will be playing around much in edit player, if we can't use the edits in anything other than a Play Now session.

Josh Looman, Madden NFL 13 Senior Designer mentioned on Twitter the following glimmer of hope.

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	We just ran out of time. It will be in there at some point in the future.

Does he mean Madden NFL 14 or could the Madden NFL 13 team add the editing ability in a Title Update or fix the issue before its August 28th release date? I think I speak for everyone, when I say the sooner, the better.

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# 861 DeuceDouglas @ 06/21/12 08:33 PM

I don't think we really know how huge of a deal it is yet. Once the game comes out we'll have a better idea.

# 862 jerwoods @ 06/21/12 10:35 PM

the thing that makes me upset is Looman Comments on Twitter
u know Franciese is Dead this is a mode for the next Decade as he says
its his right to try something new
but my beef is do not act like 100 Percent Want CCM
i Know he Has to Sell the Game but IT comes off as arrogance
Casey can teach him how to talk to people that listens lol

# 863 cuttingteeth @ 06/21/12 11:23 PM

Yup, it has gotten awful in these threads...so much that I mistakenly posted the below in the wrong thread that was also full of people talking crap to me.
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Everyone keeps scolding me for wanting this game to be in any sense a quick way to play football the way I'd prefer to - with accurate players as I see their ratings and abilities.

Why try to make me feel guilty about that? I refuse to be made to feel like I should apologize for not wanting to go through tons of practices to "possibly" get the players where I want them. Yes, I agree that is realistic to the NFL experience, but I enjoy bypassing it to finally just get to and play the d@mned game, you know. Also, please, the assumptions that I must want all of my players cheesed out, it has to stop. It's annoying. All I want is to be able to quickly make breakout players have suitable ratings to keep the competition accurate, to keep that team accurate per helping them win or compete better right then and there when it is suddenly needed...and not have to restart over and over.
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I was seemingly the first person on this forum expressing fears and worries and being upset on June 4th about the lack of features. You would have thought I was the demon seed being attacked by EA developers themselves. It was total suck. Three weeks later, and there just keep being the same kind of people to the forums, new or old-and-just-checking-in. No matter. The issue is that those of us fearful the game is going to suck seemingly can't have opinions...but all the rest of you talking smack to us and saying how awesome the game will be...you guys are angels apparently. It's lame.

# 864 DeuceDouglas @ 06/22/12 12:26 AM

Yeah, and anybody who is excited for Madden is an EA employee or lacky. It's the same back and forth that has been going on for days now and it's pretty old.

Where it got out of control was when the people who were upset that roster editing wasn't in tried to derail other threads and bring every issue back to the lack or roster edit ability. Along with that came the outrageous exaggerations of what would happen as a result of not having that roster edit ability.

GameChangers: Madden 13 Connected Careers Player Editing

Go there and vote if you haven't already. It's only at 85 votes right now and is currently behind the likes of online head-to-head practice, player specific crowd support, and interactive sidelines. Spread the word and show EA it's the big deal that you believe it is.

# 865 kehlis @ 06/22/12 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Aftershock9958


	A lot of the back and forth is generated by the particularly negative posters who are so incensed by a few things being left out, that it's almost like they say to themselves, "screw it, let's just verbally tear this whole thing down." Just as 87birdman said, "Discussions should incorporate both sides, but it seems like everything is directed back towards the negative like the positive doesn't even exist, and that is wrong. Because then it isn't a discussion it is complaining and whineing." If the focus was kept on those particular things I don't think anyone would be pushing back, but there's just too many people who are pretending there's not a single step forward and the entire edition of Madden is one huge leap backwards. DNMHIII is a great example of someone who keeps it in perspective - he is pretty unhappy with some of the issues but doesn't hesitate to praise the good things, where certain others just want to pretend that good doesn't exist. After about day four, civility and cool-headedness were lost among a lot of the OS posters.

The problem is when people make claims like you just did with this post.

You're happy with things which is great but you have to accept that there are things that were taken away from people that they have used their entire madden career that isn't going to leave them happy.

I agree that the discussion should be two sided but that goes for people who are happy with the game as well.

The fact of the matter is not everyone is going to see eye to eye. Why do we keep trying to force that on others?

Does it really anger you to see others not happy with the changes that much?

# 866 cuttingteeth @ 06/22/12 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DeuceDouglas


	Yeah, and anybody who is excited for Madden is an EA employee or lacky. It's the same back and forth that has been going on for days now and it's pretty old. Where it got out of control was when the people who were upset that roster editing wasn't in tried to derail other threads and bring every issue back to the lack or roster edit ability. Along with that came the outrageous exaggerations of what would happen as a result of not having that roster edit ability. GameChangers: Madden 13 Connected Careers Player Editing Go there and vote if you haven't already. It's only at 85 votes right now and is currently behind the likes of online head-to-head practice, player specific crowd support, and interactive sidelines. Spread the word and show EA it's the big deal that you believe it is.

See...everything about your post is pretentious. That's how you and many others are trying to force your assumptions to "good as gold" status and spot on. That's exactly what p*sses everyone else off. I don't care what factual information you actually used, you still don't use it the right way.

If you want people to stop all of the defensive posts while still trying to make our case...then quit being offensive.

# 867 roadman @ 06/22/12 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kehlis


	The problem is when people make claims like you just did with this post. You're happy with things which is great but you have to accept that there are things that were taken away from people that they have used their entire madden career that isn't going to leave them happy. I agree that the discussion should be two sided but that goes for people who are happy with the game as well. The fact of the matter is not everyone is going to see eye to eye. Why do we keep trying to force that on others? Does it really anger you to see others not happy with the changes that much?

Actually, there are some posters, who, like myself, have never tried the features that are missing in 13, but, some of us do fully support people that are without those features.

If something that I used in Madden was taken away, I'd be kicking and hollering and screaming too, but for how long? It's been three weeks since we've been notified those features didn't make the cut for 13. I feel both sides should cease the back and forth , the ball is in EA's court.

I don't mind expressing anger and telling EA how you feel. They've been bombarded with Twitter and other Madden forums for three weeks They would have to be naive if they haven't noticed all the negativity and noise throughout the internet.

My advice to all the folks that the the features missing doesn't affect them, take the higher road and don't respond. So far, that's worked for me. If people want to continue bashing EA for the decisions they made and it makes them feel better, that's on them.

Taking the higher road means you won't be called out for being offensive or defensive.

# 868 Aftershock9958 @ 06/22/12 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kehlis


	The problem is when people make claims like you just did with this post. You're happy with things which is great but you have to accept that there are things that were taken away from people that they have used their entire madden career that isn't going to leave them happy. I agree that the discussion should be two sided but that goes for people who are happy with the game as well. The fact of the matter is not everyone is going to see eye to eye. Why do we keep trying to force that on others? Does it really anger you to see others not happy with the changes that much?

For one, I'm not making a claim. It's easy to see. Deuce nailed it - I can't tell you how many times my valid points have been met with something similar to "EA employee or lacky".

And two, the rest of your post doesn't even apply. I accept that there are those who won't be happy, I'm not trying to force my viewpoint on others, and I'm not angry about anyone's opinion on the game. My post didn't display anything like that.

# 869 DorianDonP @ 06/22/12 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Actually, there are some posters, who, like myself, have never tried the features that are missing in 13, but, some of us do fully support people that are without those features. If something that I used in Madden was taken away, I'd be kicking and hollering and screaming too, but for how long? It's been three weeks since we've been notified those features didn't make the cut for 13. I feel both sides should cease the back and forth , the ball is in EA's court. I don't mind expressing anger and telling EA how you feel. They've been bombarded with Twitter and other Madden forums for three weeks They would have to be naive if they haven't noticed all the negativity and noise throughout the internet. My advice to all the folks that the the features missing doesn't affect them, take the higher road and don't respond. So far, that's worked for me. If people want to continue bashing EA for the decisions they made and it makes them feel better, that's on them. Taking the higher road means you won't be called out for being offensive or defensive.

I disagree with ceasing to voice displeasure. If EA continues to get the displeasure of the fans, maybe they'll make it a priority to somehow patch these things in for 13.

If they got 3 weeks of anger and then it disappeared before the game was released, then they might take it as everyone has 'gotten over it'.

# 870 roadman @ 06/22/12 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DorianDonP


	I disagree with ceasing to voice displeasure. If EA continues to get the displeasure of the fans, maybe they'll make it a priority to somehow patch these things in for 13. If they got 3 weeks of anger and then it disappeared before the game was released, then they might take it as everyone has 'gotten over it'.

I've already heard they are trying to get editing back in the game. Plus, they probably already knew about the flak they would receive before the news was released,

Even if the noise ends, I doubt EA would think people are over it.

All I'm saying is, ball is in EA's court.

# 871 bpac55 @ 06/22/12 03:23 PM

trying to get it back in the game for this year?? where did you hear that? if they did that it is a definite buy if not...well then i wont

# 872 pinksheets @ 06/22/12 03:59 PM

My biggest beef is that I just don't think Donny Moore does a good job at rating players. The ratings are reactionary, arbitrary, and in some cases, make it apparent he has barely, if ever, watched the player play.

I can't deal with him being in total control of my game experience, unless he turns it around significantly.

# 873 roadman @ 06/22/12 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bpac55


	trying to get it back in the game for this year?? where did you hear that? if they did that it is a definite buy if not...well then i wont

Around these forums, somewhere.

# 874 DNMHIII @ 06/22/12 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pinksheets


	My biggest beef is that I just don't think Donny Moore does a good job at rating players. The ratings are reactionary, arbitrary, and in some cases, make it apparent he has barely, if ever, watched the player play. I can't deal with him being in total control of my game experience, unless he turns it around significantly.

I completely agree with this. In addition, who cares what Donny Moore thinks in the first place! I mean really, we've always been able to edit a roster outside of franchise and then start a franchise and it should be no different with CCM.

Edit: I'm not trying to rip on Donny Moore at all, I'm just pointing out that we all shouldn't be forced to live with his opinions thats all.

# 875 DeuceDouglas @ 06/22/12 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cuttingteeth


	See...everything about your post is pretentious. That's how you and many others are trying to force your assumptions to "good as gold" status and spot on. That's exactly what p*sses everyone else off. I don't care what factual information you actually used, you still don't use it the right way. If you want people to stop all of the defensive posts while still trying to make our case...then quit being offensive.

If you want to see offensive, go and look at some of the tweets Josh Looman has gotten over the past few weeks from people upset over this issue.

While the vast majority of people are completely civil there are always people from both sides that feel the need to attack the other for no reason. Whether it's the whole "This isn't a big deal, stop crying" or "You must be an EA employee the way you defend them" it's the same thing and both sides are guilty of it.

Nobody has to be silent when it comes to the issue but attacking either side because they don't agree with you doesn't do anything to help the issue and just continues the back and forth that we want to to be rid of.

# 876 DNMHIII @ 06/22/12 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeuceDouglas


	If you want to see offensive, go and look at some of the tweets Josh Looman has gotten over the past few weeks from people upset over this issue. While the vast majority of people are completely civil there are always people from both sides that feel the need to attack the other for no reason. Whether it's the whole "This isn't a big deal, stop crying" or "You must be an EA employee the way you defend them" it's the same thing and both sides are guilty of it. Nobody has to be silent when it comes to the issue but attacking either side because they don't agree with you doesn't do anything to help the issue and just continues the back and forth that we want to to be rid of.

I can understand people being upset with features being removed, but I've never understood why people defend EA when they remove features or screw stuff up. its always seemed odd to me that people would bend over backwards to defend EA and that defense of EA in turn seems to really infuriate people that are trying to voice their frustration.....lol

# 877 DeuceDouglas @ 06/22/12 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DNMHIII


	I can understand people being upset with features being removed, but I've never understood why people defend EA when they remove features or screw stuff up. its always seemed odd to me that people would bend over backwards to defend EA and that defense of EA in turn seems to really infuriate people that are trying to voice their frustration.....lol

Because, to them, maybe they're not affected or don't believe that they've screwed things up. I don't agree at all with the fact that they took player editing out, but I can understand and agree that in the grand scheme of everything going on it wasn't something huge. With that being said, to other people it absolutely is huge which is why there are infuriated people out there.

Everyone has a different priority list and opinions on the importance of those priorities. With that much disparity it's going to be impossible for everyone to see eye-to-eye and when people don't respect that fact is where the problem tends to lie.

# 878 DNMHIII @ 06/22/12 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DeuceDouglas


	Because, to them, maybe they're not affected or don't believe that they've screwed things up. I don't agree at all with the fact that they took player editing out, but I can understand and agree that in the grand scheme of everything going on it wasn't something huge. With that being said, to other people it absolutely is huge which is why there are infuriated people out there. Everyone has a different priority list and opinions on the importance of those priorities. With that much disparity it's going to be impossible for everyone to see eye-to-eye and when people don't respect that fact is where the problem tends to lie.

Roger that.....If they're not affected they probably don't understand though and when they defend EA its frustrating for some people. For example; I wouldn't expect someone that does play now by themselves at home or an online guy that only likes to jump on and play against friends/randoms to understand why people would be upset about custom playebooks and editing not being available because both those users don't use the game the same way others do. Removing the features they've removed was a major screw up, but I'm talking about other things outside of even 13 where people defend EA for stuff like KISS shoulder pads on NCAA imported players for example.

I'm not saying everyone should agree, I'm just surprised at how much support EA gets from some people even when they drop the ball.

# 879 bucs34236 @ 06/22/12 05:57 PM

if 2k had the nfl license madden would be like the nba live series.

# 880 roadman @ 06/22/12 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bucs34236


	if 2k had the nfl license madden would be like the nba live series.

And this has what to do with roster editing?

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