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Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

07:31 PM - June 11, 2012 by Steve_OS

While most of the Madden NFL 13 news out of E3 seems to be positive, we now have something that could turn into a very big issue. Especially if you enjoy roster editing or use edited rosters created by others.

There seemed to be some confusion about edited rosters. More specifically, if edited rosters could be used in Connected Careers Mode.

I sent a few messages to Justin Dewiel, Community Manager at EA Sports earlier this afternoon and received the following responses.

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	You can edit rosters outside of CC. But you can�t bring them into CC. If you start a new CCM career after one of Donny Moore�s releases you can start with that new roster.

Basically, we have to rely on Donny Moore's roster updates, throughout the season, instead of grabbing updated rosters from the many talented roster editors out there, or simply editing on our own.

Jean Adams, Art Director for Madden NFL 13, mentioned the following, in his presentation blog, which was posted in late April.

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	Mixing and matching the new NIKE uniforms, cleats, face masks, sleeves and other yet to be released gear will keep me and many gamers out there in edit player for hours.

Hmmm. I somehow doubt many gamers will be playing around much in edit player, if we can't use the edits in anything other than a Play Now session.

Josh Looman, Madden NFL 13 Senior Designer mentioned on Twitter the following glimmer of hope.

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	We just ran out of time. It will be in there at some point in the future.

Does he mean Madden NFL 14 or could the Madden NFL 13 team add the editing ability in a Title Update or fix the issue before its August 28th release date? I think I speak for everyone, when I say the sooner, the better.

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# 781 briz1744 @ 06/18/12 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alifeincomplete


	This is going in my signature because that is the exact summarization of my take on the whole roster editing issue. I can spend a great deal of time modifying the ratings and, sometimes, the equipment on roster files, but there simply isn't a point to it on M13. How unfortunate.

Yeah , in previous years I've found the best updates to start a franchise with are the last one before the cuts and the very last one as these needed less CAPs now I'm gonna be cursing every UDFA that makes a roster

# 782 TreFacTor @ 06/18/12 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scoonie05


	lol, by some of the comments, it seems like some of y'all already have/played the game......LOL

Some people have... it's called head coach 09 now with coaching mode and SS mode.

# 783 StanleyStutters @ 06/18/12 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scoonie05


	lol, by some of the comments, it seems like some of y'all already have/played the game......LOL

That's true, no one has played the full game yet so no one knows how good or bad CC mode will turn out. However nearly every complaint I've read is about missing features and you don't need to play the game to know these features won't be there.

# 784 jerwoods @ 06/18/12 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeuceDouglas


	I don't know how large of their fan base they are really isolating though. If I were taking a guess, I would say it's not that big a number. This issue will slowly die down at some point between now and the release of Madden before it's brought back to life right around the release of Madden. It will be pretty much the same people, having the same discussion all over again. Someone will mention how one player they saw drafted looked funny and people will swarm on it like bees.

how do u define a big number i would say 30-40 Percent is big i think u are looking at 100'000 loss in sales plus once non OS Members get there hands on madden and see all of the losses u can add another 300'000 to 500'000 in trade ins to my 100'000 loss in sales the Q is is losing 500'000 loyal people worth it

# 785 XXL78 @ 06/18/12 09:41 PM

Since we cannot use edited rosters, can we at least get the normal sleeves looking normal. It looks like they have a nightgown on.

# 786 Aftershock9958 @ 06/18/12 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jerwoods


	how do u define a big number i would say 30-40 Percent is big i think u are looking at 100'000 loss in sales plus once non OS Members get there hands on madden and see all of the losses u can add another 300'000 to 500'000 in trade ins to my 100'000 loss in sales the Q is is losing 500'000 loyal people worth it

According to VGChartz, Madden 12 has sold 5.06 million units. 500,000 only accounts for less than 10%, so your numbers are already flawed. However, the biggest issue with your post is that you're attempting to assume an unknown variable.

It's impossible to know how many people this will effect as well as how many units will not be sold or will be traded in.

# 787 TreFacTor @ 06/19/12 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Aftershock9958


	According to VGChartz, Madden 12 has sold 5.06 million units. 500,000 only accounts for less than 10%, so your numbers are already flawed. However, the biggest issue with your post is that you're attempting to assume an unknown variable. It's impossible to know how many people this will effect as well as how many units will not be sold or will be traded in.

No on knows how it will affect sales, but if I didn't follow the game like all of us here do, and I bought it without knowing about the missing features, I would be ticked off when I got madden home. I could see another class action suit coming EA's way because of their decision to remove so much. Maybe not, but in this day and age, ya never know. We all have to wait and see. My guess is that the devs will stick to their guns until high noon, and then scramble.

# 788 briz1744 @ 06/19/12 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wheelman990


	If EA gets player editing, and 32 user team control in this year, even with a day 1 patch....I believe Madden 13 will sale record breaking amounts. Will they sell near that many without those 2 features? Who knows, but I don't think so. My thing is, pay the money for the extra hours and get it done. EA will reap the fruits of their labor! No more "next year" Maddens

I'd love it if they did do this and the PR value alone would probably make it worth their while, the negative press caused by this has somewhat rained on their big parade.
Can't see it happening tho' but the reaction may at least ensure it IS in M14 ( yeah I know....!)

# 789 cuttingteeth @ 06/19/12 11:15 AM

If full editing is such a non-issue, then why was this HUGE thread brought up two years ago? http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-thoughts.html

Also, here's my blog about how I might be able to enjoy the game this year:
http://www.operationsports.com/cutti...joy-madden-13/

# 790 DeuceDouglas @ 06/19/12 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cuttingteeth


	If full editing is such a non-issue, then why was this HUGE thread brought up two years ago? http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-thoughts.html

I don't think anyone's claiming it to be a complete non-issue. I think it's just a lot smaller issue than people that are really frustrated about it are making it out to be.

I also find it funny that you brought up that thread because I've seen this argument used multiple times in regards to how it's unthinkable that it didn't make it into the game.

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	It's very easy enough to 'unlock' the screen to allow someone to edit everything about their players in Franchise mode. Took like 10 minutes to do.

At the same time, the second part was conveniently always left out when it came to the issue as to why it isn't the game.

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	Unfortunately, there are about a million things that can go wrong with this unlocked.

# 791 cuttingteeth @ 06/19/12 11:37 AM

No, you guys miss the main point being who started that whole thread - The lead Madden Developer - Ian Cummings.

The big guy knew it was important enough to get done. As soon as he's gone, the new guy doesn't care to focus on it so much.

# 792 roadman @ 06/19/12 11:41 AM

Change usually comes with new leadership, good or bad.

# 793 Purple28Pedestrian @ 06/19/12 11:51 AM

gentlemen, slightly off topic but how does regression work?

I dont quite understand progression, you earn XP and build your players....so what about all the other players' progression? Do you only progress everyone if you are the coach or can you allocate to anybody [not just your selected player]?

In addition how does your player regress if you are in control of XP and allocation of said points.

My biggest gripe was that so many players took 7 point jumps from rookie to sophomore season and hardly any players regressed until they reached 33 yrs old or so. This is part of the reason I can't handle the no edit issue in franchise mode. I like to re-edit everyone so that the top guys are 92/93 overall ala fifa, and have everyone follow suit.

Having the old progressions system there would be several players over 96, several meaning almost 30 by the second and third years of my franchise [not acceptable to me]

# 794 DNMHIII @ 06/19/12 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by treq21


	yes, he started it on Operation Sports...where people care about such things. The masses do not. And EASports knows that...which is why they really dont care, and why they are doing this in the first place.

I disagree and you're just making an assumption. Roster editing is such a standard feature that I feel most people expect it in a sports title especially when you can create a player and all those options are available.

I think the masses do care about editing, they probably just don't take issue with it on message boards though.

# 795 cuttingteeth @ 06/19/12 01:03 PM

I need to quit assuming everyone sees what I see, so for that I apologize. I will fill in the blanks.

Ian doesn't come on this forum or any other forum giving us full disclosure and then also asking our specific desires unless he knows it will matter to a great degree. If such a small percentage of people care about editing, then in no way does Ian (the lead developer of Madden) hit up forums as such.

That right there is some mad respect and knowing that your audience determines your project's worth. It also proves how much editing matters because they knew to address it massively per such forums and then addressed it in the game.

# 796 ABR173rd @ 06/19/12 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by treq21


	Its a huge issue on this website. because we are hardcore Madden players. But most people are not. Dont get blinded to the fact that this website has a few thousand fans...but millions of people buy this game. And to most of them, it is a game...not a way of life.

I wanted to touch on this statement which is completely untrue. I have a couple buddy's I work with whom I have never played Madden against. All of them play online as well as offline franchise just as much as I do. None of them go onto any forums or websites regarding Madden. Yet all of them can and have pointed out all of the same flaws that you would see on a board like this.

As a matter of fact, one of the guys will not be purchasing M13 due to the last three series and Madden in his eyes basically becoming stale. I spent over an hour after the CCM and E3 presentation all of which he was unaware of, trying to convince him that M13 was a must buy this year explaining all the new features. Long story short he wasn't convinced and all of his reasons for bypassing M13 are all similar to what you've read on any internet forum.

I would even go as far as to say some of the top online player's (cheeser or not) do not all belong to any forum's or follow Madden as closely as some of us. That doesn't mean they don't have the same gripes/compliments that we do regarding the game.

Difference between us and them is going to be release day when they figure out after their purchase some of their favorite features are missing.

# 797 TreFacTor @ 06/19/12 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ABR173rd


	I wanted to touch on this statement which is completely untrue. I have a couple buddy's I work with whom I have never played Madden against. All of them play online as well as offline franchise just as much as I do. None of them go onto any forums or websites regarding Madden. Yet all of them can and have pointed out all of the same flaws that you would see on a board like this. As a matter of fact, one of the guys will not be purchasing M13 due to the last three series and Madden in his eyes basically becoming stale. I spent over an hour after the CCM and E3 presentation all of which he was unaware of, trying to convince him that M13 was a must buy this year explaining all the new features. Long story short he wasn't convinced and all of his reasons for bypassing M13 are all similar to what you've read on any internet forum. I would even go as far as to say some of the top online player's (cheeser or not) do not all belong to any forum's or follow Madden as closely as some of us. That doesn't mean they don't have the same gripes/compliments that we do regarding the game. Difference between us and them is going to be release day when they figure out after their purchase some of their favorite features are missing.

I agree, no one I know who plays madden comes to the internet for information regarding the game. Most of them get info word of mouth, and it's usually the wrong information. My nephew is a perfect example of this. He doesn't do his homework on any purchase that is less that $100....NOTHING. He was excited about Madden after only hearing about the infinity engine. After I gave him the down low, he was almost in tears. But he is also the type that will go out and buy the game day one, and then permanently give it to me the next day (it's been this way since madden 10) good for me, bad for him. I would go so far as to say that he epitomizes the average Madden purchaser. Could we see record numbers of returns in Madden 13's first week of release? Possibly, or those same people that don't know about the missing features will simply not care or are so accustomed to things being removed that they deal with it and vow not to purchase next year. Yeah, my nephew always says he's gonna wait till the first patch, but he never does.

# 798 malky @ 06/19/12 02:17 PM

Wow! A hundred pages on such a "little thing" imagine that? Lol

# 799 Aftershock9958 @ 06/19/12 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by malky


	Wow! A hundred pages on such a "little thing" imagine that? Lol

Considering it's a lot of back and forth with the same points by the same people, along with a lot of random topics being corralled into about 5, I don't think the size of the thread means anything.

# 800 TreFacTor @ 06/19/12 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by treq21


	As I said...if you are a young guy with a lot of time on your hands...then this is probably a big issue for you. If you are an older guy such as myself, with a wife, a family, and a house to take care of (as are all of the people I know who play this game) then its a very small issue. Just wanted to make that clear.

I'm a grandfather, have a wife and 21, 19, 13 year old children. Part of why this is a huge issue with me is the way it alters the way my family has played madden for as long as I remember. Your statement is insulting, and broadly generic. There's only one other person here at OS that I think is older than me (j/k) and he's 50, and he has also commented in favor of the return of these "very small" missing features.

BTW, my nephew I used as an example is 27 year old.

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