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Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

07:31 PM - June 11, 2012 by Steve_OS

While most of the Madden NFL 13 news out of E3 seems to be positive, we now have something that could turn into a very big issue. Especially if you enjoy roster editing or use edited rosters created by others.

There seemed to be some confusion about edited rosters. More specifically, if edited rosters could be used in Connected Careers Mode.

I sent a few messages to Justin Dewiel, Community Manager at EA Sports earlier this afternoon and received the following responses.

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	You can edit rosters outside of CC. But you can�t bring them into CC. If you start a new CCM career after one of Donny Moore�s releases you can start with that new roster.

Basically, we have to rely on Donny Moore's roster updates, throughout the season, instead of grabbing updated rosters from the many talented roster editors out there, or simply editing on our own.

Jean Adams, Art Director for Madden NFL 13, mentioned the following, in his presentation blog, which was posted in late April.

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	Mixing and matching the new NIKE uniforms, cleats, face masks, sleeves and other yet to be released gear will keep me and many gamers out there in edit player for hours.

Hmmm. I somehow doubt many gamers will be playing around much in edit player, if we can't use the edits in anything other than a Play Now session.

Josh Looman, Madden NFL 13 Senior Designer mentioned on Twitter the following glimmer of hope.

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	We just ran out of time. It will be in there at some point in the future.

Does he mean Madden NFL 14 or could the Madden NFL 13 team add the editing ability in a Title Update or fix the issue before its August 28th release date? I think I speak for everyone, when I say the sooner, the better.

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# 841 DeuceDouglas @ 06/21/12 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 1D4ever


	Who cares? If he pays 65 dollars he should be able to be rated whatever he wants. Why would anybody care it his game. People act like we are putting Quaters in a arcade machine. No this game cose 59.99 in some countries over 100 dollar so who care if he wants to play 3 different games in a week, import some real rookies, play his brother or change a freaking jersey number, and if you can't do this game is not worth 60 dollars and this game certainly doesn't deserve to carry an exclusive anything. To throw away 15% percent( I thing it is much much bigger) of your fan base away for no good reason at a time when you are losing sales and you exclusive licence is slowly approaching it's end is not good business

I'd like to play as the Sonics....we don't always get what we want whether it's Madden or any other game.

# 842 87Birdman @ 06/21/12 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 1D4ever


	Who cares? If he pays 65 dollars he should be able to be rated whatever he wants. Why would anybody care it his game. People act like we are putting Quaters in a arcade machine. No this game cose 59.99 in some countries over 100 dollar so who care if he wants to play 3 different games in a week, import some real rookies, play his brother or change a freaking jersey number, and if you can't do this game is not worth 60 dollars and this game certainly doesn't deserve to carry an exclusive anything. To throw away 15% percent( I thing it is much much bigger) of your fan base away for no good reason at a time when you are losing sales and you exclusive licence is slowly approaching it's end is not good business

Yeah I always loved the he spent $65 so he should get what he wants. So that means if I spend 100,000 dollars on a house I should have everything I want plus more since you know I am spending a heck of a lot more than that measly $65. Sorry but that isn't how it works you spend $65 on something someone else built if you don't like it you don't buy it. And if you feel your entitled to those things you can alway build your own, and as long as you don't sell it or give it out to people I highly doubt the NFL would come after you for using likeness in your game. Because I don't think people get taken down for editing rosters in the NCAA games or in Back Breaker.

And if 300,000 plus people aren't going to buy it (which is about that 15%) they will probably have that many new customers then because it seems like their numbers on Madden stay faily consistent and may even show a growth.

# 843 cuttingteeth @ 06/21/12 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	So you only have one choice of house? Did EA buy some exclusive housing license too?

Touche'

That's exactly the point of that argument. When buying a house, I will have choices of house, and I will then have choices of features and options within the house. With Madden, it is the only "house" available, and within that "house" we get limited/decided by others features and options from year to year.

The only legitimate argument is that I can buy or not. Of course, then the argument becomes whether or not sales make up what percentage or will or won't make a difference.

# 844 87Birdman @ 06/21/12 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	So you only have one choice of house? Did EA buy some exclusive housing license too?

Ok fine I will modify it a little you buy a house and it is in a home owner's assoiation where you can't have a pool or fly the american flag. Small things to some but big to others. I like the location and I spent $100,000 on the house, so I should do what ever I want right?? But that isn't the case.

# 845 87Birdman @ 06/21/12 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	So now EA has bought an exclusive Home Owners Association license and you have no choice but to purchase within the EA Home Owners Association? You're examples are just plain bad. Why do people insist on trying to use completely unrelated things like homes and cars that have absolutely no significance in this discussion?

You mean there aren't other football games out there you are forced to buy Madden 13???

If I remember there are other football games out there like Backbreaker, APF 2K8, and even Madden 12 that has those features everyone wants. So what your saying is you want your cake and eat it to is what it sounds like. There are times when sacrafices must be made.

Just like in my example if I really want that location and house, I will have to follow the home owners assosiation if I don't want to I make sacrafices and go somewhere else. Just like in Madden 13 go to one of the other football games that have been out that have the features you want.

# 846 DeuceDouglas @ 06/21/12 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cuttingteeth


	Touche' That's exactly the point of that argument. When buying a house, I will have choices of house, and I will then have choices of features and options within the house. With Madden, it is the only "house" available, and within that "house" we get limited/decided by others features and options from year to year. The only legitimate argument is that I can buy or not. Of course, then the argument becomes whether or not sales make up what percentage or will or won't make a difference.

It's the only new option available. There's a big difference between not having any other option and not having any new options. If there's something older that you feel doesn't limit your options, you have the option to play it. There are other options, whether you want to believe it or not.

It's not like Madden got the exclusive license and then confiscated and destroyed every football game ever made.

# 847 TreFacTor @ 06/21/12 01:30 PM

Still a bad example, it's more like you live in a Neighborhood that had everything you wanted, when there was this up and coming threat of development in that area. You were ok with the changes of the "Home owner's association" because they still gave you options and there were still other options.

There is no longer a threat of you moving, so now the "Home owner's association" has decided to make changes, and take away any of your options even the ability to paint your house, change the font of your curb side address, custom mailbox, and even what type of shades and curtains you have. You just got all of that last year and all of the sudden they lock you down...

You want to leave but you've been in this (house of yours) for 20 years minus vacation time....I'm gonna leave it there even though I could go deeper but it's not necessary to show your example needs further adjusting or a broader aspect from which to make a point of view.

On a larger scale:
Earth is = to Madden
only one place to live, only one place to play

Live and let live.

# 848 DeuceDouglas @ 06/21/12 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TreFacTor


	On a larger scale: Earth is = to Madden only one place to live, only one place to play Live and let live.

So where does that put me when I play Tecmo Super Bowl? Mars? The Moon?

# 849 Yeats @ 06/21/12 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 87Birdman


	If I remember there are other football games out there like Backbreaker, APF 2K8, and even Madden 12...

Yes, that I don't understand. After hearing the editing options had been removed this year, it took me all of 10 seconds to come to terms with the fact I'd be playing Madden 12 if I want a football fix in September. This hand-wringing has been going on for days, some people really need to let this go, holy mackerel.

# 850 Yeats @ 06/21/12 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	Your house analogy is still awful.

Honestly? People shouldn't even have to try and come up with house analogies at this point. What's truly awful is that people are still ragging on and on about this issue. Think about it.

# 851 TreFacTor @ 06/21/12 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeats


	Honestly? People shouldn't even have to try and come up with house analogies at this point. What's truly awful is that people are still ragging on and on about this issue. Think about it.

If no one comments either way the topic goes away. Your contributing to the topic. In a rather hypocritical way i might add.

# 852 Yeats @ 06/21/12 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	This is a forum where this type of discussion belongs.

It stopped being a discussion several days ago. Now it's the same few people, jumping into every possible thread and either complaining about the lack of editing options, or complaining about the overall game and its quality.

# 853 Yeats @ 06/21/12 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TreFacTor


	If no one comments either way the topic goes away.

Yes, it's clear some of you have no intention of letting this go, that's very apparent.

# 854 Yeats @ 06/21/12 02:03 PM

Actually bucky, this topic is a discussion. It starts at point A, goes around, and ends back at point A again. Then it starts all over.

# 855 87Birdman @ 06/21/12 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	It's a forum, for discussing the game, and people are bringing up legitimate issues. They should. What's truly awful is using silly, insignificant, totally unrelated analogies to silence and defend some very questionable business practice's of removing features and re-adding them years later. This business practice has been happening far too long and NFL Football Video gaming has suffered for well over half a decade because of it. This is a forum where this type of discussion belongs. Think about it.

Tha analogies are only insignificant when people refuse to see what is in front of them. These practices go on every where and choices have to be made along with sacrafices.

Only one location = Only 1 NFL License
Move somewhere else lose location
Play a different football game lose NFL License
Home owners assoiation create rules you must follow
EA creates rules you must follow
Don't like rule move and lose what you want to get other things you want
Don't like Ea rules build your own or play another football game.

And that is just with houses. This goes on every where in the real world. But they aren't perfect and have made mistakes in the past, and are working on fixing it. Yes it sucks things couldn't make it in, but it seems like it is just negative things that happened this year when in reality there have been great things to happen. It just seems like the negative crowd is so much louder and drown out the positive crowd. And I said louder not larger.

Discussions should incorporate both sides, but it seems like everything is directed back towards the negative like the positive doesn't even exist, and that is wrong. Because then it isn't a discussion it is complaining and whineing.

# 856 Yeats @ 06/21/12 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 87Birdman


	Discussions should incorporate both sides, but it seems like everything is directed back towards the negative like the positive doesn't even exist, and that is wrong. Because then it isn't a discussion it is complaining and whineing.

That's my general observation as well.

# 857 kehlis @ 06/21/12 02:16 PM

Let's get away from the pointless back and forth about who's right and who's wrong (since not everyone will ever see eye to eye) and back to discussion.

# 858 moneal2001 @ 06/21/12 04:09 PM

@bucky the analogy fits because the nfl licence is like the location of the house. you have no other choice for football game if you want the nfl. just like you have no other choice in houses if you want that location. unless you buy the house, destroy it, and build the one you want. which is impractical and impossible if you only have enough for the original house.

# 859 themassacre771.1 @ 06/21/12 04:14 PM

Are we really arguing about analogies? This isn't a damn creative writing class.

# 860 Aftershock9958 @ 06/21/12 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelman990


	Interesting, I thought it was the same old people coming in to defend EA's decisions? Why feed the fire here? You know, I can see people who are really upset about this coming here to get their points across and even try and push EA to get this in the game(either on the disc or a dlc). What I don't get at all are people actually taking the time to come here and state over and over that they don't care about this feature and are doing their best to tell the majority that do care they are wrong and to give EA a break. I think a lot of people don't understand the very point of a thread like this. Bottom line once again: It is very clear by reading every website, forum, thread, post, that the lack of player editing is a huge issue! So I can't see at this point what exactly some people are defending. If you aren't unhappy about the lack of player editing, that is great. We are happy for you, we really are. We don't even want to tell you that you are wrong for thinking how you do. It's your game too, it's your money too, we hope you love Madden 13. However, what is the point coming here and telling all these people they need to stop posting and see eye to eye with you? I don't get that at all. This isn't just a few people, read the entire web guys. This is everywhere. Lots and lots of upset people. Get over it.

A lot of the back and forth is generated by the particularly negative posters who are so incensed by a few things being left out, that it's almost like they say to themselves, "screw it, let's just verbally tear this whole thing down." Just as 87birdman said, "Discussions should incorporate both sides, but it seems like everything is directed back towards the negative like the positive doesn't even exist, and that is wrong. Because then it isn't a discussion it is complaining and whineing."

If the focus was kept on those particular things I don't think anyone would be pushing back, but there's just too many people who are pretending there's not a single step forward and the entire edition of Madden is one huge leap backwards. DNMHIII is a great example of someone who keeps it in perspective - he is pretty unhappy with some of the issues but doesn't hesitate to praise the good things, where certain others just want to pretend that good doesn't exist.

After about day four, civility and cool-headedness were lost among a lot of the OS posters.

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