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Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

06:31 PM - June 11, 2012 by Steve_OS

While most of the Madden NFL 13 news out of E3 seems to be positive, we now have something that could turn into a very big issue. Especially if you enjoy roster editing or use edited rosters created by others.

There seemed to be some confusion about edited rosters. More specifically, if edited rosters could be used in Connected Careers Mode.

I sent a few messages to Justin Dewiel, Community Manager at EA Sports earlier this afternoon and received the following responses.

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	You can edit rosters outside of CC. But you can�t bring them into CC. If you start a new CCM career after one of Donny Moore�s releases you can start with that new roster.

Basically, we have to rely on Donny Moore's roster updates, throughout the season, instead of grabbing updated rosters from the many talented roster editors out there, or simply editing on our own.

Jean Adams, Art Director for Madden NFL 13, mentioned the following, in his presentation blog, which was posted in late April.

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	Mixing and matching the new NIKE uniforms, cleats, face masks, sleeves and other yet to be released gear will keep me and many gamers out there in edit player for hours.

Hmmm. I somehow doubt many gamers will be playing around much in edit player, if we can't use the edits in anything other than a Play Now session.

Josh Looman, Madden NFL 13 Senior Designer mentioned on Twitter the following glimmer of hope.

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	We just ran out of time. It will be in there at some point in the future.

Does he mean Madden NFL 14 or could the Madden NFL 13 team add the editing ability in a Title Update or fix the issue before its August 28th release date? I think I speak for everyone, when I say the sooner, the better.

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# 381 aholbert32 @ 06/12/12 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Glock


	Very well said Birdman, I'm sure there is a legit reason they removed it. And people can just go back to Madden 12. And to be honest I have found Donny Moore's edits to be better than anyone's on this site. I'm sure edits will be back for 14.

All assumptions. I dont want to go back to Madden 12 because even with the franchise options, I found the gameplay to be subpar. With 13, I've seen the gameplay and it appears to be much improved. I actually may have found a workaround for the 32 team issue that is cumbersome but may be ok for me to be satisfied with 13.

That still doenst mean that I'm not gonna complain about the missing features and I'm not going to assume that EA is going to put them back in without people letting them know these features are important.

# 382 SoxFan01605 @ 06/12/12 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danimal


	This doesn't effect me but I see how it does others. I'm not going to sit here and say it's important or not important because I believe we all make our own determination in "what we can deal with" when it comes to sports games. Having said that what I find a bit disturbing is for years people have screamed for EA to innovate. Stop doing "roster updates" give us something new. CCM is something new and almost no one has played it yet but some people have already deemed it a failure. That's just absurd logic IMO. I want to try it see what is good and what is missing. Figure out what "I can deal with" and if I can play it going forward. No one is going to know how it tastes and what it delivers until we dig into it and I for one, well I'm ready to eat.

I can see your point, but it doesn't really apply to the issue at hand for many of us. I've already addressed this line of thinking in the other edit player thread (and that was before we knew we couldn't even carry in custom rosters to CC), but let me explain again.

I KNOW how I like to play franchise mode and what basic features I need. You know how? Because I am able to play it that way in every sports game I play, and have been able to for some time. I KNOW CC won't deliver what I want. You know how? EA has already told me they've taken away features that I find essential.

For those of us who find these features so important, this isn't an issue of game play improvements or added features that you have to get a feel for first. This is about features that were available and now aren't. Regardless of what was added, no amount of me playing around with the new mode is going to make these features magically reappear. That's not "absurd logic," it's common sense.

I'm not even going to consider buy Madden 13 without at least minimal editing (numbers, equipment) and custom roster use in CCM. In actuality, I expect a lot more than that (especially given what's available in the comparative field of the sports gaming genre), but I think that's a fair minimum standard. That's not a statement of spite or anger or protest, just a point of fact.

The point is that this isn't an either or proposition. People aren't upset that EA is trying something new or attempting something innovative (In fact, I've personally applauded them for there ideas...I've just questioned their implementation/decision making). People are upset that EA has stripped so much of the control and customization in order to implement it. Plenty of games make progress without stripping away so much. Sadly, Madden just hasn't figured that part out yet, it seems.

Adding features at the expense of others isn't progress, it's change. Some people are fine with or even excited for the changes. That's fine (and hopefully 13 delivers for them!). Others don't like the changes because of what they lost as a result. That should be fine too. It's as simple as pros and cons.

By the way, this isn't me complaining some more or trying to belabor the point. I've said my piece, lodged my complaints, used the various means to make my preferences and concerns heard (i.e. the game changers site, EA customer service, etc) and all that. I'm simply responding because it's frustrating to see the same mischaracterization of the point simply because others disagree, aren't affected, or don't see it.

EDIT: Yikes, another book. Sorry for the length people!

# 383 87Birdman @ 06/12/12 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aholbert32


	Huh? If I dont complain, how will EA know im unhappy about the removal of a feature? I'm gonna give myself a pat on the back right now....A few years ago NBA2k did not have 30 team control. Only had 8 team. I hated that. So what did I do? I posted a complaint thread about it in the 2k forum. One of the devs saw it, discovered why it was an issue, said they would add it and the next version of the game had 30 team control. Thats the one of the points of this forum. It gives people the opportunity to express their opinion about ways to improve the game or mistakes a developer made. Again, I'm using confirmed facts and you are using assumptions. You are assuming they removed the features to make the game better. You are assuming that the they will eventually add these features back. You are assuming that these features will cause a glitch if added back in.

No complaining gets nothing done faster or really anything. Voicing a concern maybe but complaining doesn't accomplish anything. Unless they are weak. That is like saying a crying kid who had his ball taken away will get it back. Won't happen unless some outside force causes it.

But my main gripe with this was that complaining has more justification than those looking at the positives. Neither side has more justification it is just how you want to view something. So something was taken out can you tell me why if not than complaining to complain is pointless. Unless you know the reason behind something you are just complaining. Your only fact is it was removed and no reason behind it. And I think it was already stated in this thread that they couldn't get it to work correctly in time without it causing problems in why it wasn't put in.

The bold part I will agree with but neither side wether positive or negative has more justification. Otherwise they should just throw out the new engine since people will probably complain about it with some wierd animation, because the positive doesn't have any say.

# 384 Yeats @ 06/12/12 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Glock


	Very well said Birdman, I'm sure there is a legit reason they removed it.

Yes, and it's called prioritizing. When they set out to develop the game months ago, they didn't make editing a priority. It's not because "they ran out of time."

# 385 PPerfect_CJ @ 06/12/12 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia


	Oh excuse me sir, my bad let me refrain from explaining my point of view on the topic for you. On topic Ignoring above user I think Team specific overalls could be the reason for lack of editing. Another words Adrian Peterson won't appear as a "90" overall to every team. He might be a 85 to the Saints, a 87 to the Bears, or 90 to the Vikings. So editing all these players ratings would be impossible I think. Now as far as equipment and numbers there is zero reason i see not to be able to edit

What part of "not to sound disrespectful" did you not understand? It was just a question. I'm sure I wasn't the only one thinking it, but whatevs.

# 386 Phobia @ 06/12/12 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 87Birdman


	No complaining gets nothing done faster or really anything. Voicing a concern maybe but complaining doesn't accomplish anything. Unless they are weak. That is like saying a crying kid who had his ball taken away will get it back. Won't happen unless some outside force causes it. But my main gripe with this was that complaining has more justification than those looking at the positives. Neither side has more justification it is just how you want to view something. So something was taken out can you tell me why if not than complaining to complain is pointless. Unless you know the reason behind something you are just complaining. Your only fact is it was removed and no reason behind it. And I think it was already stated in this thread that they couldn't get it to work correctly in time without it causing problems in why it wasn't put in. The bold part I will agree with but neither side wether positive or negative has more justification. Otherwise they should just throw out the new engine since people will probably complain about it with some wierd animation, because the positive doesn't have any say.

I disagree completely, I agree completely with Aholbert.

If anyone recalls in NCAA 12 I made a huge issue about EA not offering any input about the fixes. The topic went wide spread and got a ton of exposure. EA then called me on my cell phone on a Sunday Afternoon and spoke to me about a upcoming blog to inform the community AND to help look into other issues. The topic directly helped is my point.

# 387 bamabound2010 @ 06/12/12 02:04 PM

http://i.qkme.me/367n84.jpg

Wow, Just wow. I seriously can't believe this right now. This is worse because I'm stuck with Donny Moore's ratings...

# 388 Phobia @ 06/12/12 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PPerfect_CJ


	What part of "not to sound disrespectful" did you not understand? It was just a question. I'm sure I wasn't the only one thinking it, but whatevs.

Well let me ask you a question, not to sound disrespectful but why are you asking me questions?

# 389 PPerfect_CJ @ 06/12/12 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia


	Well let me ask you a question, not to sound disrespectful but why are you asking me questions?

Because it's a forum?

# 390 Phobia @ 06/12/12 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PPerfect_CJ


	Because it's a forum?

Good answer, so we both agree on something

# 391 azdawgpound @ 06/12/12 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bamabound2010


	http://apocalypstick.com/wp-content/...-this-****.jpg Wow, Just wow. I seriously can't believe this right now. This is worse because I'm stuck with Donny Moore's ratings...

u forgot his never right rosters neither lmao

# 392 Tweeg @ 06/12/12 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia


	Oh excuse me sir, my bad let me refrain from explaining my point of view on the topic for you. On topic Ignoring above user I think Team specific overalls could be the reason for lack of editing. Another words Adrian Peterson won't appear as a "90" overall to every team. He might be a 85 to the Saints, a 87 to the Bears, or 90 to the Vikings. So editing all these players ratings would be impossible I think. Now as far as equipment and numbers there is zero reason i see not to be able to edit

Editing ratings would/should be possible. The perceived overalls are only adjusted based on the different schemes each team has set up. If you have your RB set to favor Receiving Back you will probably view Darren Sproles as 90. If you go and change that to Power Back you will probably see him as a 75 or something. His actual ratings have not changed at all, but by changed your teams calculation of his perceived overall.

# 393 Phobia @ 06/12/12 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweeg


	Editing ratings would/should be possible. The perceived overalls are only adjusted based on the different schemes each team has set up. If you have your RB set to favor Receiving Back you will probably view Darren Sproles as 90. If you go and change that to Power Back you will probably see him as a 75 or something. His actual ratings have not changed at all, but by changed your teams calculation of his perceived overall.

Good Point, you might be right. Global overalls would stay the same. Could it be a XP issue??? Guys rated to high screws up balance with XP?

# 394 PPerfect_CJ @ 06/12/12 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia


	Good answer, so we both agree on something

I also agree on the numbers and epuipment edits. I can't see a reason why we shouldn't be able to at least do THAT.

# 395 moneal2001 @ 06/12/12 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia


	On topic Ignoring above user I think Team specific overalls could be the reason for lack of editing. Another words Adrian Peterson won't appear as a "90" overall to every team. He might be a 85 to the Saints, a 87 to the Bears, or 90 to the Vikings. So editing all these players ratings would be impossible I think.

OVR is going to fluctuate now with the addition of the production rating and the progression system they are putting in. the system should be able to read the ratings and produce a OVR for each scheme on the fly. if it can't then they really dropped the ball.

i believe its more about goals and xp costs for abilities. changing positions for a player might skew those and allow you to game the system.

# 396 Phobia @ 06/12/12 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PPerfect_CJ


	I also agree on the numbers and epuipment edits. I can't see a reason why we shouldn't be able to at least do THAT.

Yea I feel same way. I see ratings maybe playing a issue this year with some of the changes to XP and team specific ratings. But I honestly don't see any reason equipment and numbers cant be changed.

# 397 aholbert32 @ 06/12/12 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 87Birdman


	No complaining gets nothing done faster or really anything. Voicing a concern maybe but complaining doesn't accomplish anything. Unless they are weak. That is like saying a crying kid who had his ball taken away will get it back. Won't happen unless some outside force causes it. But my main gripe with this was that complaining has more justification than those looking at the positives. Neither side has more justification it is just how you want to view something. So something was taken out can you tell me why if not than complaining to complain is pointless. Unless you know the reason behind something you are just complaining. Your only fact is it was removed and no reason behind it. And I think it was already stated in this thread that they couldn't get it to work correctly in time without it causing problems in why it wasn't put in. The bold part I will agree with but neither side wether positive or negative has more justification. Otherwise they should just throw out the new engine since people will probably complain about it with some wierd animation, because the positive doesn't have any say.

I just gave you an example where complaining on this forum and with a video game worked and you still say complaining doesnt work. LOL.

Actually I know why they removed it. They removed those features because they prioritized other features. They were creating CCM and did not feel editing, 32 team franchise and NCAA imports were important enough to feature them in the mode. They felt Twitter feeds, Trey Wingo and the XP system were more important and easier to implement.

Im really having problem following your logic. Again the people who are praising CCM havent actually played CCM. They are praising what Looman and others have said about the mode. Now if in a few weeks we see videos and it confirms that improved AI logic and all of the things Looman says will work....those people will be justified in praising the mode. Why? Because they have proof that the mode works.

The complainers are justified NOW. They know the mode doesnt have features they want. They know that those features wont be added to 13 (only editing is still up in the air). They know that even if the mode is great, they wont be able to play the game the way they wanted to and have in the past. They have every right to complain and let EA know that they want those features back.

# 398 wallofhate @ 06/12/12 02:13 PM

This sucks for the majority of people who play madden. It is definitely strange that this was not included but like others are saying I cant honestly see them taking this away from the user "just to do it". That being said im still looking forward to and buying madden without a doubt. The game looks like its got alot of promise and if im not mistaken isn't Kane 669 still handling tne accessories and numbers for the players? He is usually spot on with that type of stuff. Im part of the huge minority that doesnt really play seasons and just quick play games so it doesnt effect me nearly as much

# 399 Tweeg @ 06/12/12 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia


	Good Point, you might be right. Global overalls would stay the same. Could it be a XP issue??? Guys rated to high screws up balance with XP?

I don't know..

I think EA was only gunning for the online crowd once again. If you're in one of these online CCs you don't want guys changing ratings without 'earning' the XP. Even if that is the case, it's really bothersome that you can't change numbers, equipment or positions as you please.

# 400 bamabound2010 @ 06/12/12 02:15 PM

By the way linked this page to Looman on Twitter and he blocked me. What a guy...

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