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# 441 silverskier @ 06/07/12 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kolanji


	am thinking most ppl just know this as an up and under ... or this ..... and this .... up and unders are all over the nba game we r just accustomed to think that it has to score or only happens mid air....its just simply put a show like layup attempt to get defender to react/jump and either try to elude or create contact whether it be form the post position in mid air or step in to up and going under

hm no, I think that by up and unders we, or at least I, understand this, which is overpowered in this game, specially the ones that are performed after a pump fake, without being in the post. I hope they fix them :,(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEAZlN9XPnI

# 442 stillfeelme @ 06/07/12 02:11 AM

Kolanji,

Yeah those videos are not what I define as an up and under. I consider up and under what 2K calls flick flick moves. It means to me that you get the defender to go up "bite" on a fake and you finish under them. So that could be the disconnect you have. The first video of Parker is what I consider and up and under he faked one direction and went under just like a flick flick move is in 2K. Up and under moves are usually defined as a post move that involves a fake and the going a under the defender. So when I say up and under we are talking Mchale post moves. Some of those you shown were layups acrobatic layups but I don't know people that call them up and under moves. One was a reverse layup.

# 443 stillfeelme @ 06/07/12 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeC


	Ramon Sessions mainly scores using a floater. Since I'm a borderline Laker fan I watched many games where he would barrel into the lane, throw the ball up ridiculously high and off the glass, and it would miraculously go in about 50% of the time.

Haha yeah I was using Sessions as an example of someone that would use flick flick moves in the paint in 2K12 but he uses floaters in real life

# 444 kolanji @ 06/07/12 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanFitzmagic


	Jesus in Heaven... A double-clutch layup is NOT an up-and-under. You're WRONG. Just live with it.

OMG a double clutch is still an up and under move stay with me u first go UP and then under to go back up(it just describes the motion of the shooting) ...u know what am done trying

if u feel free to read this and educate urselves a bit am done playing basketball grandpa to u guys

http://www.youth-basketball-tips.com/up-and-under.html

anyways back to the matter at hand.... hope to see more contact in the paint during layups in 2k13 and plz VC dont let me lose control as soon as the whistle blows i am in good position a lot to block and stop and 1 shot but i lose control over my player as soon as the whistle blows

# 445 RyanFitzmagic @ 06/07/12 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kolanji


	OMG a double clutch is still an up and under move stay with me u first go UP and then under to go back up(it just describes the motion of the shooting) ...u know what am done trying

So, you just don't understand the concept of not taking everything literally, right?

I suppose every time someone gets crossed over in 2K13, they should be placed on injured reserve with a broken ankle.

# 446 stillfeelme @ 06/07/12 02:26 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_moves

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	Up and under The up and under is a move consisting of two parts, a shot fake (the up) and a step-through (the under). First the player with the ball fakes a shot by thrusting the ball above his head as if to take a shot, then when the defender jumps in an attempt to block the shot, the offensive player steps by him and attempts a clear, unguarded shot. Generally used by post players, Kevin McHale was considered a master of this move.

Everybody considers McHale moves up and unders

# 447 kolanji @ 06/07/12 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeC


	I think the language barrier here is part of the problem. While Jordan did have the BALL up, then brought it UNDER so he wouldn't get blocked, that entire sequence has a proper name which is called the double clutch layup. I agree, there should be more of those in the game. Now, what I, and perhaps many others got confused on is the up and under is generally used to describe a post move where the PLAYER, goes up and under. Example: See how McHale fakes his body UP, THEN goes UNDER the defender? THAT's an up&under. The other examples you provided are called double clutches. Edit: Ah, I see what you mean. While I suppose the proper term is considered that, everyone simply calls it a double clutch so that it doesn't get confused with the post move of the same name. It also makes more literal sense.

exactly DuckeC now u see what am saying whatever name u call the variations of up and under it just falls under and up and under whether it be a double clutch a flick flick on reverse lay up they r all under the up and under...and 2k has a lot of em which is great just that it only seems to do what u guys call the flick click version too much..and not so much the others......all am saying is they need to add better defensive tools to deal with the flick flick version and more contact in the paint

# 448 RyanFitzmagic @ 06/07/12 02:42 AM

I think in the future, no one should ever try to argue the semantics of a dialect that isn't their first language.

# 449 mauro78 @ 06/07/12 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Beluba


	I've personally hated isomotion for years. Fixing it has been my primary objective for 13.

Thanks Mike for answering about many gameplay related question on the forum. Any info about 2k13 and CPU Double Teams?

In 2k12 CPU almoust never double teams hot players...did you work on this for 2k13?

Thanks in advance

# 450 kolanji @ 06/07/12 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeC


	@1st Bolded: Misunderstanding cleared up . But you also see why we have name variations of the same move though right? One applies to different situations. Like, the double clutch is associated with layups where they bring the ball up, under, then back up again, essentially doing the act of laying the ball in twice. Twice = Double. The Up and Under is more associated with post moves because it's usually a LITERAL up and under. So you can see why the move was split into different names so that they would be easily identifiable. That's why when you came in here and started saying a double clutch was an up and under..guys in here were confused. We hardly, if ever, go by the literal definition of a basketball move anymore. @2nd Bolded: I'm with you on that

oh ok i got yah....i was speaking of the collective up and unders in nba 2k while u guys were just i think on what VC calls a flick flick version.but i guess from now on i will specify what up and under am talking about whether it be from the post or FLICK FLICK as u guys would say

@ RyanFitzmagic dont make assumptions like that English is what we speak here in belize......maybe i have some typos in my post but that is from
typing in the dark trying not to disturb my wife sleeping next to me

# 451 lakers2038 @ 06/07/12 04:06 AM

Thanks for all the info Beluba, but we need to know if you guys are fixing the player speed for 2k13.

It was soooo bad in 2k12, Kendrick Perkins keeping up with Tony Parker on a fast break!!!

Please tell us if you guys are fixing this problem. Thank You

# 452 Goffs @ 06/07/12 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Beluba


	I've personally hated isomotion for years. Fixing it has been my primary objective for 13.

Isomotion was a step up last year....looking forward what you have in store for us!

# 453 JerzeyReign @ 06/07/12 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Beluba


	I've personally hated isomotion for years. Fixing it has been my primary objective for 13.

Please don't adopt that cheesy right stick dribbling! Learning and perfecting isomotion is a beautiful feeling. It feels good to actually go in the gym and practice to get good at something.

Glad to hear you're cleaning it up but don't get rid of it please!

# 454 silverskier @ 06/07/12 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JerzeyReign


	Please don't adopt that cheesy right stick dribbling! Learning and perfecting isomotion is a beautiful feeling. It feels good to actually go in the gym and practice to get good at something. Glad to hear you're cleaning it up but don't get rid of it please!

we need more fast lateral movements and contextual positioning of the players facing the rim. I don't think that they'll implement the live's system at all though

# 455 VDusen04 @ 06/07/12 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kolanji


	oh ok i got yah....i was speaking of the collective up and unders in nba 2k while u guys were just i think on what VC calls a flick flick version.but i guess from now on i will specify what up and under am talking about whether it be from the post or FLICK FLICK as u guys would say @ RyanFitzmagic dont make assumptions like that English is what we speak here in belize......maybe i have some typos in my post but that is from typing in the dark trying not to disturb my wife sleeping next to me

Not trying to beat this into the ground, but I wanted to affirm that the Kevin McHale clip posted a page or two earlier is in fact what we refer to as an "up-and-under" in the United States. I don't think it's a language thing but from the sound of it, it might be a cultural thing. I've personally never heard double pump layups (like the examples of Durant, Jordan and others you posted) being referred to as up-and-unders. For me, that'd be like calling a slam dunk a "jump throw". If you break it down, I suppose they really are just jumping and throwing, but that's never what we'd call it.

So in terms of the topic at hand, the tendency we're referring to is a player's likelihood of pulling a Kevin McHale, where they dribble, stop, pump-fake, pivot, step through, and shoot.

# 456 jersez @ 06/07/12 12:27 PM

This thread has gotten out of hand, I suggest making another thread or keeping this one on topic.

Beluba I liked the isomotion system from last year. I felt that they didn't transition from one move to the next, it didn't look like one motion. And I had to wait for one move to end to start another. When I play ball I usually don't give a real hard crossover first, you do a bait crossover to see how the defender is playing you, once the player reacts you do another crossover which is the real one to get to the hoop.

For example

This

# 457 jersez @ 06/07/12 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IpodKingCarter


	My Thoughts On The NBA 2K13 Gameplay: Spurs vs. Thunder & All Star Weekend - E3 2012 All Access Feat. IpodKingCarter

Should make a separate thread. Sir

# 458 jersez @ 06/07/12 01:19 PM

@Beluba can you please bring the driving animation back, I know you said you fixed the contact, but I think this is much more realistic than the bumping. Also the animations that makes the ball handler pick up their dribble should be expand upon.

This is the driving animation I mean.

# 459 kolanji @ 06/07/12 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by VDusen04


	Not trying to beat this into the ground, but I wanted to affirm that the Kevin McHale clip posted a page or two earlier is in fact what we refer to as an "up-and-under" in the United States. I don't think it's a language thing but from the sound of it, it might be a cultural thing. I've personally never heard double pump layups (like the examples of Durant, Jordan and others you posted) being referred to as up-and-unders. For me, that'd be like calling a slam dunk a "jump throw". If you break it down, I suppose they really are just jumping and throwing, but that's never what we'd call it. So in terms of the topic at hand, the tendency we're referring to is a player's likelihood of pulling a Kevin McHale, where they dribble, stop, pump-fake, pivot, step through, and shoot.

hey its cool we came to a good understanding....when we practice here in belize am a point guard 6'2" in the IBS league( no nothing close to the nba but its fun and competitive and i like it) here in belize and during workouts we break up depending on our position to practice up and unders.... whether from the post for post players mid air up and unders( double clutch, some reverses )and as u guys call it flick flick....

i wasnt being specific like u guys when u spoke about up and upders as just the post version .in nba 2k i was being collective and packaging all the animations from post up to mid air to flick flick up and unders...
so now when i was being specific i would call the up and under out I.E. ...post up "up and under" and so on.

u see we use the term literally while u guys only refer to the post up version to be an up and under only....we call out the version of the up and under whcih just simply means to go up with the ball and down and up again.to elude shot blockers out stretched arms and to create contact and try to get to the FT line.....
unlike the NBA we play mostly zones and there is no 3 defensive in the keys(i guess this is why ballers outside the Us tend to be decent shooters,cause the paint is always guarded and compact) so ur always faced with a defender in the paint so i guess we specialized mostly on the term and branch off according to the version....so yes i understand u guys perspective and i respect that....
so to wrap this up all i was saying was that 2k has a lot of, and i used my term here:" up and under "versions ranging from the post to the mid air and "flick flick" and i just wished they would strike a balance according to who does it in nba 2k13 and not just the "flick flick" version

edith: http://www.youth-basketball-tips.com/up-and-under.html
this alone shows that its just not us here from the caribbean use the term literally and not just to refer to the post up version as being the up and under

# 460 VDusen04 @ 06/07/12 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kolanji


	hey its cool we came to a good understanding....when we practice here in belize am a point guard 6'2" in the IBS league( no nothing close to the nba but its fun and competitive and i like it) here in belize and during workouts we break up depending on our position to practice up and unders.... whether from the post for post players mid air up and unders( double clutch, some reverses )and as u guys call it flick flick.... i wasnt being specific like u guys when u spoke about up and upders as just the post version .in nba 2k i was being collective and packaging all the animations from post up to mid air to flick flick up and unders... so now when i was being specific i would call the up and under out I.E. ...post up "up and under" and so on. u see we use the term literally while u guys only refer to the post up version to be an up and under only....we call out the version of the up and under whcih just simply means to go up with the ball and down and up again.to elude shot blockers out stretched arms and to create contact and try to get to the FT line..... unlike the NBA we play mostly zones and there is no 3 defensive in the keys(i guess this is why ballers outside the Us tend to be decent shooters,cause the paint is always guarded and compact) so ur always faced with a defender in the paint so i guess we specialized mostly on the term and branch off according to the version....so yes i understand u guys perspective and i respect that.... so to wrap this up all i was saying was that 2k has a lot of, and i used my term here:" up and under "versions ranging from the post to the mid air and "flick flick" and i just wished they would strike a balance according to who does it in nba 2k13 and not just the "flick flick" version edith: http://www.youth-basketball-tips.com/up-and-under.html this alone shows that its just not us here from the caribbean use the term literally and not just to refer to the post up version as being the up and under

Right, what we're saying is in NBA 2K, up-and-under tendency is not referring to double-clutch or double-pump mid-air shots. It's only referring to the traditional McHale version, because that's what up-and-under means here in terms of basketball diction (and most elsewhere).

With respect, it seems you are making sweeping generalizations of the knowledge of other posters because their terminology differs from yours, or because you assume they have not played at a level as high as yours. In fact, the NBA is one of the few outlets in the United States that does not allow all forms of zone defense. Both college and high school basketball in the US allow all forms of zone, just as your region does, so to make an assumption that all Americans must be poor shooters because you believe there not to be zone defenses is relatively short-sighted.

Finally, regarding the youth basketball link, I wouldn't call that a particularly reliable website. It could have just as well been thrown together by you or me. That is literally the only other place in my life I've seen a double-pump layup referred to as an up-and-under. It is by no means a norm here.

Anyway, to get to the point, knowing what we're referring to by "up-and-under" (a pump fake, pivot and shot a la Kevin McHale) how frequent do you believe it should occur during a game in 2K13 for a player with 99 tendency?

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