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Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

09:02 PM - May 14, 2012 by Steve_OS

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# 301 djordan @ 05/20/12 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimi XIII


	You can't be serious. There's a lot of good coming out of M13 as of now, but from what we've heard from commentary is not one of them. It's not like they started commentary this year, it began a little after M12 was released. Now the pregame sounds good but hopefully they're just giving us WIP commentary still. But it doesn't take more time/experience with Phil & Jim to do Madden to get things like them talking about something and then stop & abruptly, yet smoothly, go into awe on a big play or hit.

I agree!.....

# 302 DeuceDouglas @ 05/20/12 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimi XIII


	You can't be serious. There's a lot of good coming out of M13 as of now, but from what we've heard from commentary is not one of them. It's not like they started commentary this year, it began a little after M12 was released. Now the pregame sounds good but hopefully they're just giving us WIP commentary still. But it doesn't take more time/experience with Phil & Jim to do Madden to get things like them talking about something and then stop & abruptly, yet smoothly, go into awe on a big play or hit.

Can you honestly say that what we've heard, disregarding the OS/Pasta Padre video, isn't much better than what we got last year with Gus Johnson and Cris Collinsworth?

# 303 roadman @ 05/20/12 10:26 AM

People are still commenting on the commentating in the not released EA game play video of an old mix, but OS/Pasta released old mix.

It's been explained several times.

The recent podcast is a newer mix.

Listen to this podcast and look at the comments in this thread and tell me it's the same as the old mix.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...e-becotte.html

# 304 DeuceDouglas @ 05/20/12 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimi XIII


	Not really, not the play-by-play I've heard. One thing about Cris & Gus was the errors from the Madden team, we don't know if that will still be a problem upon release (besides Phil or Jim addressing each other as Tom, of course that'll be fixed) but I said the pregame is much better. But Madden would still have the worse commentary in sports gaming right now if we end up getting what we've heard so far, but I assume it's not finished, at least I would hope. I've heard good things from NHL's commentary, I've heard how good MLB's is, FIFA's is on point and I get NBA2K every other year and it's ridiculously good (especially in Association mode). Madden can't kept being average or sub-par in so many aspects of sports gaming. They really need to make sure they deliver with all the hype going right now. But other games are much more specific with their commentary these days. Now, if you don't play anything but Madden or not that much of a presentation/commentary guy, obviously some aren't either gonna know just how behind they are or care. But I am a presentation/commentary kinda guy and have experienced what other games are doing with commentary and Madden is still far behind.

After seeing NCAA's gameplay video from the other day I would say without a doubt their commentary is far worse than what we've seen from Madden thus far. And I wouldn't exactly call FIFA's top of the line either. Yeah, it's really good at times but it seems like 90% of the commentary is just a name and dead space.

# 305 jpdavis82 @ 05/20/12 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimi XIII


	So, the playbook/preview for commentary is done, although it's still a WIP, they are obviously giving us the best of what they got. So far its very so-so and not anyway near the rest. I doubt they are saving previews or info of Jim & Phil giving individual names, talking about individual performances and how well or poorly a player played a previous game or season. The Madden team hasn't mentioned their commentary going that deep & the tease is over for this portion of the game. If they had player names, weekly/seasonally individual performance info, or anything else truly mind-blowing that others offer I'm sure they would have showcased that. I gave them the benefit of the doubt in the first few previews but the more commentary they expose the more I know it just won't be as good as other games and will just see what else Madden will offer this year. It's alright as long as they actually progress this time around year-to-year and the other aspects of the game have improved, but let's not fool ourselves thinking this is as good as it can get or extremely better play-by-play from last year.

It's definitely much better than last year, Phil Simms sounds great if you ask me, it's just that they need to add more names and stuff for Nantz. This team knows that they aren't there yet. I'm done trying to defend what this team is doing though, they've done more for Madden than has been done in the last 8 years and when Madden 13 comes out you guys will see it first hand. Everyone always has to find some reason to complain and now that we finally have a legit team that is going to make Madden an elite sports game for many years to come, people still complain. There's more to life than Madden guys. As long as we have a solid game this year with solid gameplay and is feature deep I really don't know what more you could ask for in year one of the new team's Madden. Let me just throw something else out there, what football game's commentary sounds better than what we have heard so far? It's not just about the commentary either, the ambient noise they have going on with cadences, player chatter, crowd noise, it all makes it come together in a realistic way. I think football is by far the hardest sport to do commentary for, most sports you have some kind of constant flow(soccer, basketball, hockey) baseball is kinda sporadic like football, but has nowhere near the amount of action after a break in the action and the breaks in football are much shorter than baseball. Football is kinda like a roller coaster emotionally, you have constant highs and lows, no other sports game really has to deal with that. As they mentioned in the podcast they didn't want to just throw names in there for the sake of having them there because it sounds choppy and lame. Just like 2k5, 2k8, and previous Madden games have, i.e. Vick......drops back to pass, tackle was made by......Ray...Lewis. As long as we are hearing names or he and not number so and so, then I will be satisfied for a year one foundation.

Anyway I've rambled on enough. I for one really appreciate all the effort and hard work this team is putting into Madden 13. This won't be the same old Madden guys, get that through your heads.

# 306 bichettehappens @ 05/20/12 05:16 PM

Anybody expecting the commentary in this game to be on par with NBA 2K and The Show in the first year of implementing new technology and recording all-new commentary from a new crew simply has unrealistic expectations from the start. Aside from the fact I believe football commentary to be the most difficult to replicate in a fluid manner (my own assessment/opinion), it takes time for a development team to familiarize and master new technology, let alone starting from scratch by throwing out all the previously recorded audio.

Will the commentary be on the same level as the other top sports titles this year? I'm certain that it won't, but from what I've heard it sounds like they could potentially be making a huge leap from the mess we were stuck with in M12 and providing a solid base to continue building on and perfecting in future years.

Anyone hoping for anything more than an improvement over last year with potential to grow had the bar set too high in the first place, in my opinion. With all the other improvements made, and pending whatever this monumental change is, I can certainly live with the fact commentary is not yet on the level of NBA 2K.

# 307 ChaseB @ 05/20/12 05:27 PM

Can I just say I'm happy to see so much discussion about commentary? I just care that people care -- only can make things better long-term.

# 308 jpdavis82 @ 05/20/12 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	Did you read my entire post before you replied? Reason I am asking because you seem to not realize I mentioned basketball and soccer as more comparable in pace to football play by play rather than slower paced baseball or golf.

Football is by far the hardest to duplicate IMO, it has so many highs and lows and stops and starts. I'd give this commentary a solid C+ to B-, last year was probably a D-, so yeah I'm happy. Realistic expectations for a one year improvement and starting from scratch from what we had last year would be in the C range, anything better than that is a testament to just how much effort this team has put in. It seems to me people are expecting Madden 13 to be an A or even A+ in every category, just not realistic. Heck NBA2k has been out a very long time and 2k12 was very mediocre in gameplay and online gaming. There isn't and never will be a perfect sports game, the sooner you realize that the more you will enjoy these games. Madden 13 should be a very solid sports game, hopefully Madden 14 will take the next step and become an elite sports game. Then maybe Madden 15 goes one step further and becomes THE sports game and a legit GOTY contender. That is the kind of improvement we are after.

# 309 DeuceDouglas @ 05/20/12 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimi XIII


	but let's not fool ourselves thinking this is as good as it can get or extremely better play-by-play from last year.

I don't think anybody is trying to fool themselves into thinking that this is as good as the commentary can get. And I don't know if you heard last year's commentary but it was god awful. It was the first Madden ever where it was so bad that I wanted to turn it off rather than listen to it.

With that being said, I do believe this year will be a very nice improvement over what we got last year. Am I expecting it to be the greatest sports commentary ever? No. But I do believe it's a good start, and a better start, than we've seen in previous iterations of Madden.

# 310 jbd345 @ 05/20/12 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	Madden has a new commentary engine for Madden 13, not outdated, and completely new commentary lines, over 82 hours.

I know. I was referring to past maddens and sports games in general.

# 311 jpdavis82 @ 05/20/12 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	I agree about not expecting M13 commentary to be comparable to that of NBA2k but I disagree about football commentary being more difficult. IMO, basketball would be more difficult due to the fast pace of the action, where football has many natural pauses in the actions. The only time I think football commentary's pace is comparable to that of basketball is during a hurry up/2 minute style offense.

The reason I think football is harder, is because in basketball you can say, Westbrook, to Durant, over to Harden, Harden for 3... good! It all kind of flows smoothly. Hockey and Soccer are the same way.

In football you have, 1st and 10 Packers at their own 42 yard line, Rodgers in the shotgun, steps back to pass, he's got a man open, it's Jennings and he's got it at the Bears 40 for a Packer first down where he's taken down by Tillman and the safety Conte was also there to make the tackle. It's very up and down and a lot of stops and starts. Then after all of that you have the color commentator to break down what just happened.

# 312 bichettehappens @ 05/20/12 06:23 PM

Yeah, it's the analysis portion where football becomes much more difficult and where I think a lot of the awkward silence resides. There are so many things that can go right/wrong leading amongst the interactions of the 22 players on the field that it would take extremely extensive program to cover them accurately and fluidly.

Right now they show us a replay post-play and say nothing a majority of the time, or it's a very brief and generic statement. Hopefully they are working to improve this, whether this year or next

We should get a good idea on June 4th just how far they've come with commentary improvements so far.

# 313 ChaseB @ 05/20/12 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetBabyJebus


	Basketball commentary can be just as specific...that was a one-sided example. In any event, NBA2ks commentary isnt anywhere near as detailed as possible, but gets the job done, hell, no game is, so i refuse to lower the bar as if the expectations for Madden are unreasonable.

I think the best way to end this tangent is to just say every sports game has challenges when it comes to creating anything in the game.

# 314 Pezell04x @ 05/20/12 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimi XIII


	Not really, not the play-by-play I've heard. One thing about Cris & Gus was the errors from the Madden team, we don't know if that will still be a problem upon release (besides Phil or Jim addressing each other as Tom, of course that'll be fixed) but I said the pregame is much better. But Madden would still have the worse commentary in sports gaming right now if we end up getting what we've heard so far, but I assume it's not finished, at least I would hope. I've heard good things from NHL's commentary, I've heard how good MLB's is, FIFA's is on point and I get NBA2K every other year and it's ridiculously good (especially in Association mode). Madden can't kept being average or sub-par in so many aspects of sports gaming. They really need to make sure they deliver with all the hype going right now. But other games are much more specific with their commentary these days. Now, if you don't play anything but Madden or not that much of a presentation/commentary guy, obviously some aren't either gonna know just how behind they are or care. But I am a presentation/commentary kinda guy and have experienced what other games are doing with commentary and Madden is still far behind.

LOL! The NHL commentary is ****ing atrocious

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# 315 DeuceDouglas @ 05/20/12 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetBabyJebus


	and so on and so forth... i think the point is clear, specificity and emotion are the problem not some unrealistic level of detail expectation. NFL 2k5 had emotion and detail even if it happened to be patchy.

It's a double edged sword with emotion. If there isn't enough, people complain that there is no emotion and it's boring. If there is emotion, people complain about them getting too excited at certain things.

I'm still very hesitant to even judge the commentary based on the fact that we've still only heard about a minute of legitimate commentary.

# 316 jpdavis82 @ 05/20/12 07:23 PM

I don't know if you guys just haven't heard the commentary in the podcast or what, but the strength of it by far was Phil's analysis of the plays after they happen. There's no dead air in the podcast commentary, and in the last clip you can hear it go from one play to the next, not one second of dead air.

# 317 jpdavis82 @ 05/20/12 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetBabyJebus


	I dont think too many people would be upset with emotion on fumbles,touchdowns, long first downs and first downs late in the 4th quarter of close games, spectacular catch animations, sacks, break a ways, long runs and big hits.

I noticed a lack of emotion in the video of the older build (phi vs dal) but in the new clips from the podcast I thought the emotion was where it should be.

# 318 DeuceDouglas @ 05/20/12 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetBabyJebus


	I dont think too many people would be upset with emotion on fumbles,touchdowns, long first downs and first downs late in the 4th quarter of close games, spectacular catch animations, sacks, break a ways, long runs and big hits.

And we've only heard current clips for what? A couple first downs, a sack and team intro clip? It's impossible to determine whether or not there's not enough or enough emotion in M13 commentary yet.

# 319 ChaseB @ 05/20/12 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetBabyJebus


	That band-aid statement could be applied to end complaints about any and every game shortcoming now couldnt it But as a consumer its not my job to worry about challenges, I just make sure my expectations are realistic. There should be challenges in making millions of dollars.

I was agreeing with you, hence why I said there are challenges with any and everything -- also why I thought it's not really worth debating.

And you're right, it's not your job to worry about that stuff.

# 320 JerzeyReign @ 05/20/12 07:53 PM

Well, since you're in here Chase -- bring back the radio guy -- I loved hearing him while surfing thru my dynasty looking at stats or something.

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