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NBA 2K12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

03:49 AM - September 20, 2011 by 23

The NBA 2K12 demo is available now for the 360. Later today for the PS3.

Scroll to the "N" section to find it. It's 1.1 GB.

Miami Heat vs. Dallas Mavericks (Can only play as the Mavs)
Difficulty set to default/casual
No commentary
1 - 4 Minute Quarter
Can't run plays
No sliders, options, camera views, etc.
Free throw bug, after 3 second violation, is demo bug only.

Just play the demo and post your impressions here.

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# 841 Greene_Flash03 @ 09/21/11 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by videobastard


	The graphics have stepped up and stand out now on the PS3 version. The smooth game play is welcomed. I still have to practice some more with isomotion. I kept doing behind the back dribbles when i did not want to. Im noticing more foul calls and blocked shots in the paint compared to 2k11. The perimeter defense im not sure on that yet untill i play a head to head match up with a human player. One of things im very happy about and grateful for is there is no hop step button assigned directly to a button. I hope there is no alternate control configuration that will allow anyone to map it to a button. I like how it can be done within the flow of the game rather then intentionally anytime someone wanted to. Chris bosh looking like plaxico burress or jamal mashburn lol For the most part the other players i have seen have recognizable character face models.

LOL Nailed it!

# 842 popeyearmz @ 09/21/11 12:25 PM

Ok I took off early just to download this thing! To my dismay, it was still unavailable on psn. Anyway, once I spotted the demo I immediaty dropped my p.b.& j I worked so hard to make.... and. Commenced the download.

It's rididulous to make a full on review of a demo but here was my impressions..

1. the pacing and players Felt very natural and lifelike. Everyone Moved as their real counterparts did.
I payed special attention to bron and wade. "both who".?

Bron would murder me with the slight hint of an open lane, and for the first time I Felt as if the a.I. had a mind of its own. Mavs are no match for the big 2 and the fastbreak....they made that quite clear my first couple of games.

2. Defensive improvements....although it will take getting use to. The hands up and help d is what I always wished for in a sim game and now its here.
I Havent been able to cut any one off yet...But i plan on mastering this before the game drops.

3. Animations. One word. Astoundding!!

4. Postgame. Im Loving it. The transition frm 2k11 was a breeze. Popping in and out of the post position looks and feels amazing.

Lastly! Only gripe was no option of switching difficulty levels and casual to sim. But hey, its a demo people. Stop complaining....ur still gonna buy it, n love it...

# 843 popeyearmz @ 09/21/11 12:28 PM

Oh Yea. Bosh looks like nosferatu!! Thatisall

# 844 HeavenlyTouch @ 09/21/11 12:32 PM

I went back like 15 pages and didn't see one answer to my post.. I also noticed that several other people addressed the same question..

So I'll ask again:

So far in the post (back to the basket only) - I've only been able to execute the up and under, fadeaways, and hookshots. When I try to do the shimmys/shakes like back in 2k11, I can't pull it off, I'm doing exactly the same thing as 2k11 (as instructed for 2k12) but Dirk always goes into the up and under animation despite the fact I'm flicking both ways.

Is anyone pulling off the back to the basket moves consistently?

# 845 st0rmb11 @ 09/21/11 12:32 PM

after a few more plays, gotta say, I'm falling in love with the collision detection. I love jumping up for a lay up, having someone come over, and rather than 1.) him going through me, and me finishing the lay up uncontested, or 2.) me being thrown into an animation, my guy reacts to the contact with a legitimate shot adjustment.

Also, I love it on the defensive end. most incredible example I've seen -
Miami was fast breaking, and LeBron threw a long pass down court to Wade (by the way, love the way the long, length of the court passes look now. that lob. very realistic.) I sprint down the floor with Butler to try to block it from behind, but I mistime my jump, and begin to come down before he's gone up. I landed on his back, and we both crashed to the floor, and I got called for a shooting foul. It was so realistic, as I've seen something similar to this happen several times while playing basketball.

# 846 Al_Boogie3 @ 09/21/11 12:39 PM

The demo is very nice. I know a lot of people are griping about running plays and things of that nature, but the thrill and exitement of seeing what the final build will look/play like is fascinating within itself. I spoke with a guy on twitter who actually played the final build, and he stated that when he got his hands on the demo, "it was wack compared to the final build, if you think the demo is nice, then you are in for a pleasant surprise". When I heard that, I almost lost it. Oct 4 will definitely be a great day.

The thing I liked best about the game is that it plays so smooth, and the moves don't feel like they are being forced. It is so fluid. The small things make the game more realistic than last year, and 2k11 was amazing in my eyes. I really think the devs at 2K just set the bar a little bit higher for all sports competitors. Not just basketball!

# 847 Da_Czar @ 09/21/11 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ALBERTPULHOZ


	OK I dont want to beat this thing to death the game is good . but ill give you an example of quickness not matching real life . 2k11 - I have melo on the wing isolated against SHAQ !! i can dribble ,gather , crossover , do whatever fancy little trick in the book and somehow for the most part my gather takes so long that shaq stays with me . Now is that realistic to you ? its not to me . Im NOT saying this is a terrible game all im saying is it still needs PLENTY work !

Albert I understand your points on 2K11. I concur with that example 100%. The Mavs in the demo don't have anyone who is explosive off the dribble so the demo is not a great indicator of the speed differences available in the final.

They made it this year to that depending on your skill level your crosses are faster/ better. Playing with Crawford or Rose is much different and much more explosive than playing Kidd / Dirk / Chandler.

From what your saying though I have no idea if that is close enough for you to find the game enjoyable.

Now to your other point of real life. There are only certain times ( when the ball is in your hands) that you can change direction and speed in real basketball. When the ball has left your hands your stuck in an animation if you will.

Game companies handle this one of two ways. They cheat like elite did last year and allow you to move and change direction when you shouldn't to give you the feeling of instant control. The problem is once you cheat in on area you have to continue to cheat to keep the game balanced.

IE they had to make shot blocks where the defender doesn't bend his legs.. And on and on it goes until your no longer playing a game based on reality. BUT it sure feels great as your crossing over 7 ways to Sunday...

In real basketball that delay is not known to those who are watching the game you just see a player pull up or cross. But if you think about it you know that decision was made a second or part of a second or two before that.

2k tries to make control decision based on what would a real player be able to do. While still trying to give you as much control as possible while STILL giving you a game that looks like actual basketball movement.

Taking all of that into consideration I would rather have game based on real movement and have it look like basketball players making basketball moves.

This is why I like to compare games to other games when trying to decipher what is good or what can a company do better. Because no game will compare to the "game" we think should be made.

But when you compare the benefits and the issues with 2k to any other game available including that games limitations 2k stands alone.

People are excited I think because they understand that compared to what has been available in the past 2k12 gets you there more than any other game previously made.

If you disagree I would love to see which game you feel handles control , look and implementation based on real basketball better.

# 848 adwin7 @ 09/21/11 12:42 PM

I am amazed at least once every time I play by the ai doing something that a computer shouldn't do like perfectly timed hesitation dribble and up and under fakes. Their doesn't seem to be a set time for the hesitation and it seems different players do it for different lengths. Dwayne Wade will freeze you two or three times a drive while LeBron tends to do it just once. While they seem to have a certain style attributed to them its hard to figure out.

And the pics being set by the cpu are brilliant and make sense this year. I don't how many times I have had to decide whether to switch or not and been taken advantage of consequently.

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# 849 eDotd @ 09/21/11 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyTouch


	I went back like 15 pages and didn't see one answer to my post.. I also noticed that several other people addressed the same question.. So I'll ask again: So far in the post (back to the basket only) - I've only been able to execute the up and under, fadeaways, and hookshots. When I try to do the shimmys/shakes like back in 2k11, I can't pull it off, I'm doing exactly the same thing as 2k11 (as instructed for 2k12) but Dirk always goes into the up and under animation despite the fact I'm flicking both ways. Is anyone pulling off the back to the basket moves consistently?

You probably aren't doing it fast enough. Flick the stick as fast as you can and you should get it.

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# 850 fatleg3 @ 09/21/11 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyTouch


	I went back like 15 pages and didn't see one answer to my post.. I also noticed that several other people addressed the same question.. So I'll ask again: So far in the post (back to the basket only) - I've only been able to execute the up and under, fadeaways, and hookshots. When I try to do the shimmys/shakes like back in 2k11, I can't pull it off, I'm doing exactly the same thing as 2k11 (as instructed for 2k12) but Dirk always goes into the up and under animation despite the fact I'm flicking both ways. Is anyone pulling off the back to the basket moves consistently?

You have to be holding the ball to do a shimmy. Then move it quickly to the left or right of the player. I have been able to do the single shimmy shot but i cant do the double shimmy shot. It wont do the second shimmy. Instead of shimming to the second side he pump fakes. But im about to make a post video and post it here and the media thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greene_Flash03


	LOL Nailed it!

You his face is to small. IRL his head is long.

# 851 Stevenash22 @ 09/21/11 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundown


	Yes, other than the sliding, the momentum is good. Lack of realistic momentum is what made 2k9 pretty terrible. Instantaneous response and direction change just can't be had if you want realistic basketball, and so much of the game is about using people's momentum against them-- see Jordan vs. Bryon Russel ("no push-off."). The sliding (which I hate) is probably a concession so we would have more control and a movement model that's understandable to video gamers. Otherwise, you would actually have players frozen in place for a moment while making a sudden movement change because they're shifting their weight and having to plant a leg to do so. I would actually love to see this rather than the slidey movement model we have, and I think 2K needs to go in this direction next, but I don't think the people clamoring for instanteous response would. That said, the Mavs aren't the fastest team in the world. I'm sure things will feel different with Monta Ellis and Derek Rose. Also, Mike Wang mentioned more explosiveness out of the sizeup/triple threat this year.

And also try to get Jason Terry in the game its a beautiful thing to chain dribbling moves together, it's so much faster than j. kidd's and others. i am amazed, it kind of reminded me of nba live 10 with more signature dribbles.(get rudy fernandez fouled out of the game and you'll get Jason Terry in)

# 852 OSUFan_88 @ 09/21/11 12:50 PM

I've only played a very little bit, but one thing I noticed is that FINALLY, the right stick can be used effectively to defend shots.

# 853 Bug @ 09/21/11 12:55 PM

Hopefully our good man da czar has some footage of different players showcasing how players speed is different that would be great

# 854 mreyes930 @ 09/21/11 12:56 PM

I'm loving the bank shots right now. I have Dirk playing like a young Tim Duncan. I'm gonna have a lot of fun with this game when I unlock the '98 Spurs.

# 855 kingg d @ 09/21/11 01:03 PM

The game is amazing, but can anybody explain to me why does Jason Kidd (34%) and JJ Barea (35%) have the 3pt specialist icon?

It looks like the 2k insider will suck again with player ratings

# 856 guesswhozbak17 @ 09/21/11 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	Albert I understand your points on 2K11. I concur with that example 100%. The Mavs in the demo don't have anyone who is explosive off the dribble so the demo is not a great indicator of the speed differences available in the final. They made it this year to that depending on your skill level your crosses are faster/ better. Playing with Crawford or Rose is much different and much more explosive than playing Kidd / Dirk / Chandler. From what your saying though I have no idea if that is close enough for you to find the game enjoyable. Now to your other point of real life. There are only certain times ( when the ball is in your hands) that you can change direction and speed in real basketball. When the ball has left your hands your stuck in an animation if you will. Game companies handle this one of two ways. They cheat like elite did last year and allow you to move and change direction when you shouldn't to give you the feeling of instant control. The problem is once you cheat in on area you have to continue to cheat to keep the game balanced. IE they had to make shot blocks where the defender doesn't bend his legs.. And on and on it goes until your no longer playing a game based on reality. BUT it sure feels great as your crossing over 7 ways to Sunday... In real basketball that delay is not known to those who are watching the game you just see a player pull up or cross. But if you think about it you know that decision was made a second or part of a second or two before that. 2k tries to make control decision based on what would a real player be able to do. While still trying to give you as much control as possible while STILL giving you a game that looks like actual basketball movement. Taking all of that into consideration I would rather have game based on real movement and have it look like basketball players making basketball moves. This is why I like to compare games to other games when trying to decipher what is good or what can a company do better. Because no game will compare to the "game" we think should be made. But when you compare the benefits and the issues with 2k to any other game available including that games limitations 2k stands alone. People are excited I think because they understand that compared to what has been available in the past 2k12 gets you there more than any other game previously made. If you disagree I would love to see which game you feel handles control , look and implementation based on real basketball better.

Excellent point. As an athlete myself, that is well said.

Czar, I have a question for you that you may or may not be able to answer being that you have played builds with commentary...

Do the commentators discuss the lockout? If so, from what perspective? From the perspective of *pre lockout* or *post lockout*?

ex. pre lockout: Steve Kerr "Melo wanted to get his contract deal before the looming lockout, hence why he's in New York"

post lockout: Steve Kerr "I'm happy this whole thing ended, it has been a long summer"

Any info would be appreciated.

# 857 ..GameOver.. @ 09/21/11 01:05 PM

Game is solid gameplay wise. I am trying to get some moves down in the post and I love how they changed it up this year. I need to go back and read the post game insight to get some of these controls down. Only gripe is sometimes I will be in the post and I will try to perform a move but instead my guy will pass through the defender and lay it in the basket for an easy two points.

# 858 VDusen04 @ 09/21/11 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mreyes930


	I'm loving the bank shots right now. I have Dirk playing like a young Tim Duncan. I'm gonna have a lot of fun with this game when I unlock the '98 Spurs.

How exactly do the bank shots work again this year?

# 859 mreyes930 @ 09/21/11 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VDusen04


	How exactly do the bank shots work again this year?

Hold the stick in any direction (No Modifiers- L2/R2 etc.). Just before release, flick the stick in the opposite direction. Works great with a good face up game. I get the ball to Dirk in the post, faceup and bank it with ease.

# 860 Da_Czar @ 09/21/11 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by guesswhozbak17


	Excellent point. As an athlete myself, that is well said. Czar, I have a question for you that you may or may not be able to answer being that you have played builds with commentary... Do the commentators discuss the lockout? If so, from what perspective? From the perspective of pre lockout or post lockout? ex. pre lockout: Steve Kerr "Melo wanted to get his contract deal before the looming lockout, hence why he's in New York" post lockout: Steve Kerr "I'm happy this whole thing ended, it has been a long summer" Any info would be appreciated.

Darn good question. I didn't hear any lockout commentary. What I did hear was excellent. If your an association player i suggest turning the commentary off until you start your Association. The have some great stuff in there. All three guys work together really really well.

They have disagreements sometimes also. I noticed a log of new commentary. Sounds like they were all in a room together.

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