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Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?
Jayson Young: I'm amazed by how much better the retail version is compared to the demo. The gameplay in the demo felt so stale and boring that I stopped playing it after a few days, but the final build has me hooked to the point where I am staying up late just to play the darn thing.

There are still issues, such as the interactions between the offensive and defensive lines, the skating player movement and being unable to hit a ball-carrier while he's in the middle of an animation (not to mention this delicious bug), but unlike previous versions of NCAA, the game's shortcomings haven't killed the fun factor for me.

It's not going to reach the elite level of sports franchises until the commentary gets updated and the player movement, physics and animations become more lifelike, but it's still the first NCAA game this generation where the fun factor manages to overcome the game's flaws.


Jayson embraces NCAA Football 12, even if he does think it's flawed.

Bob Kollars: When the demo dropped, I could see so many minor improvements, and I knew these improvements would only be felt on a much greater level when the retail version found its way into my 360 tray. In my opinion, this is the best overall package EA has ever put out for a football game. A combination of slick graphics, stadium sounds, improved gameplay and a revamped Road To Glory mode have made this offering a much more in-depth experience. Gone are the days of suction blocking and tackling, and the new improvements to zone defense (while not perfect) are a huge step in the right direction. The one thing that I would love to have is a Spectator mode; I would love to have the ability to scout my next human opponent in an online dynasty in advance, and this mode would fill those needs. How cool would it be to watch the championship game live for your online dynasty -- that's a rhetorical question as we all know it would be mind-blowingly cool!

I am not claiming that NCAA 12 is a perfect game, just that it's the best offering to date in the form of college football. The CPU plays a smarter game on the field, and at times it even feels like you are actually playing another human opponent. If folks cannot find improvement and some enjoyment in this year's title, then the series is probably dead to them -- and said people should stop buying the product in the future. After devoting over a week's time, and well over 40 games, I'm more than content with my purchase.


Bob also has a strong desire to hold this year's title close to his bosom.

Caley Roark: I'm not the biggest college football fan, but I had seen enough press and information to preorder NCAA 12 pretty early. Then I played the demo. Largely, I wasn't impressed by it; it seemed to be just another EA football game, a formula that's becoming increasingly stale. Yes, it had better lighting and some ESPN overlays, but it still felt rather dull. I nearly cancelled my preorder.

But after a week and change, I am happy I didn't. The game plays much better than the demo, especially with the variety of new tackling animations. I love when a ball carrier is nearly knocked down, stumbles, then keeps going. It's refreshing to not know all of the tackling animations by heart, as has been the case with recent Madden titles.

I'm also interested in the coaching aspect of the Dynasty mode, and being a coordinator makes games a little quicker to squeeze in here and there. I suppose at some point I'll jump to a head coaching spot, but for now I'm happy controlling the offense. I've dabbled with Road to Glory, which is much improved from past versions I've played. I look forward to spending more time there. Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised. I wish the commentary and presentation elements were better (it's criminal that there isn't some kind of halftime recap), but I'm having a good time so far.


Caley likes the game, but he wants more than just team-specific entrances on the presentation front.

Dustin Toms: I'm not one who gets obsessed with My Player modes, but Road to Glory has made NCAA 12 one of the best purchases I have ever made for my gaming collection.

RtG has always been the best of the My Player modes in these football titles, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was anything super special. But with this year's improvements and position battles, I have fallen in love with my University of Washington QB (I chose a mid-level school for realistic purposes). Plus the fact that you can re-create your entire senior high school season is bringing back memories I thought I had forgotten.

But outside of RtG, NCAA 12 has impressed. With many led to believe that there was no way it could make a big enough jump from NCAA 11, the surprise of opening up a much better game is well deserved for us "unfortunate" gamers. The graphics are greatly improved and Dynasty mode has been touched up.

Like others have said, this game comes with its problems. The zone coverage is still a bit iffy, and there seems to be a strange freeze bug tied to customizing your own experience, but the game is not to the point where a patch or two can't tweak everything to where it needs to be.


Like the others, Dustin can overlook some problems because the core experience keeps bringing him back.

They were honestly a bit more positive than I expected. Nevertheless, continue to chat about all facets of the game, positive and negative. And bonus points go to the ones who are actually calm and articulate during their discussions.

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# 61 SGMRock @ 07/22/11 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by boritter
Other than the psychic DBs (which ruined NCAA 11) I love NCAA 12.

I just wish that it didn't take multiple years to fix known issues.
I think thats because people love the bells and whistles so they try and add some every year instead of focusing on fixing stuff to improve the previous year. Takes away from the dev time to fix stuff already in the game to put new stuff in basically.
 
# 62 prowler @ 07/22/11 06:47 PM
This is why I never bother reading any sort of reviews or opinions of OS staff; it's always flowery, glowing praise.

Like a few other people said, I like the game and I try to ignore the bugs but there's just so many. In the first year of my dynasty I had to play 10 conference games (in a 12 team conference) and ended up in a bowl game against 4-8 Minnesota. Then in the off season I was offered a job as the DC of North Texas despite being an offensive head coach in a BCS conference.

This isn't Mojang or Re-logic or another super small developer, EA makes way too much money to release a product with so many flaws.
 
# 63 jyoung @ 07/22/11 06:55 PM
I've only had one freeze so far, and that was in a game with my teambuilder team. All my other games with normal teams have been fine.

NHL 11 has been out forever and that game freezes a lot more for me.
 
# 64 khaliib @ 07/22/11 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bkrich83
Eh to be fair, #1 every football game has needed this, including the 2k series. #2 Although I have found myself using fewer and less radical slider adjustments this year than I have in just about any football game.

#3) The freezing issue is weird. I haven't had a freeze yet. But some get it consistently. Not sure what it causing it. If it was the game code, then theoretically it would happen to everyone. Bad batch of disks got pressed? Or some extra thing that some users do that some don't that cause it. I don't know.

If I had the freezing issue, that to me would be the ultimate exercise in frustration.
#1) I hear ya, but the truth is that they're progress of improvement seems to be going in different directions (to me!)

#2) I edit player ratings to enhance player mannerism, so as ratings are ajusted, so to does the sliders require the same to mesh with the ratings adjustments that are adjusted to levels outside of how the game generates the players.

This leads to constant Slider tweaking because of the ongoing issue with trying to get Option/Spread teams behaving accordingly during gameplay while balancing out the +/- effects on the other schemes.

#3) Is bad because you can't play the game if it doesn't run (no way of getting around this one)!!!

This makes the game "Defective", yet gamers can not take the game back and get a Refund or Exchange for a New Copy (according to your bad batch notation), which is the Honest/Proper Business option to provide vs waiting on the "Hope" fix of a Patch.

Again, depends on how big the effect of these issues on your gameplay/enjoyment, tends to be the driver of your +/- write-up of the game right now.
 
# 65 TDavis45 @ 07/22/11 07:12 PM
WAAAAAAAAAY too many bugs for a released game... If this roster patch comes out erases all of the roster-creators work I will consider trading this game right back in.
 
# 66 jkra0512 @ 07/22/11 07:22 PM
When I first played the demo, I hated it. Then, read the OS impressions. I got the game for free and liked it a little. Read the OS review and thought to myself, "I'm not totally sold on everything this guy is saying, but I'll hang in there." Lo and behold, while much of what he wrote (and many other reviewers wrote) was right, seems like they missed many of the key issues. I remember reading somewhere on OS that the Super LBs were gone...nope, still there. Realistic DBs, nope. OL/DL interaction better? NOPE. All of which are essential to a good football game, you know...the nuts and bolts.

EA tends to overlook gameplay enhancements in favor of innovation. Well what happens if they innovated the AI? Kills two birds with one stone, no? CPU RBs are better, why can't LBs, WRs, DB, OL and DL get the same love? No instead they go out and add features that don't work up to their potential or at all. NCAA team, you are officially a First Round Bust to me, all hype, no results, total disappointment. You are like a player who has all the tools but can never seem to put them together, its sad. TEST YOUR PRODUCT BEFORE RELEASING IT AND YOU'D SEE WHAT THIS COMMUNITY SEES. Anyway, enjoy your 2-week post release vacation, because you have a lot of work to do when youse get back.

Here's to using this game toward a preorder for NHL...glad I got it for free.
 
# 67 NDAlum @ 07/22/11 07:38 PM
I have griped several times about the tendencies issue but I can say that I have honestly not seen any issues with CPU DBs being "psychic".
 
# 68 jkra0512 @ 07/22/11 07:41 PM
You've never seen a DB completely mirror your WRs and get no seperation? It happens waaaaay too many times for it to be realistic, which this company strives for.
 
# 69 TDenverFan @ 07/22/11 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jkra0512
You've never seen a DB completely mirror your WRs and get no seperation? It happens waaaaay too many times for it to be realistic, which this company strives for.
Never seen it before.
 
# 70 jkra0512 @ 07/22/11 07:54 PM
hmmm, happens to me and I seem to see the DB knock passes down without looking all the time...That seems pretty psychic to me.
 
# 71 amoore0192 @ 07/22/11 08:06 PM
I feel like Im trading it in for Madden. NCAA, while looking pretty, is completly flawed. The roster bug ruined it for me, especially knowing now that even four years into the dynasty the bug still effects players..this game truly is the worst of the series bc of all the bugs.
 
# 72 SGMRock @ 07/22/11 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BadAssHskr
And this testing was done with a fresh out of the box default roster? I'm not doubting the fact, it's just that i read most of that thread, and i didn't get the impression that default rosters were challenged with the problem.

Then again i had stuff to do and was only at post 720 when i quit reading.
Want proof, read my post on it with screenshots. :P
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2042641494
 
# 73 btemp @ 07/22/11 08:15 PM
Is EA paying you? Clearly, we're not playing the same game. Between major deep ball issues, coaching progression issues, roster edit issues, etc. this game is really really buggy. And many people think so, but apparently you guys didn't notice anything? Weird how that is...
 
# 74 Elgin2311 @ 07/22/11 08:24 PM
It just goes to show that people will complain about everything once something goes wrong. Yeah there are bugs and in time im sure some will be corrected. As far as I know no one person can lay claim to being perfect. Mistakes are made and go unseen, its hard for me to be dissapointed because everthing in life is broken. New cars,cell phones,ipad, and last everyone's logic because no matter what were all a little biased.
 
# 75 jkra0512 @ 07/22/11 08:28 PM
lol nice argument...
 
# 76 NDIrish98 @ 07/22/11 08:30 PM
regardless of the bugs, the play on the field has been the funnest it's been in a while, that's just me. it's the only college football video game we've got, so we'll deal with it and play it, or come on operationsports.com/forums and try to ruin it for everyone else. me, i'll keep playing it.
 
# 77 statum71 @ 07/22/11 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by btemp
Is EA paying you? Clearly, we're not playing the same game. Between major deep ball issues, coaching progression issues, roster edit issues, etc. this game is really really buggy. And many people think so, but apparently you guys didn't notice anything? Weird how that is...
Glitches? So that kills a game for you?

Every sports game that comes out has bugs, somewhere. That's why its good patches are an option on these next-gen systems.

I mean...all due respect. I'm not being ugly with you. But good luck buying a sports video game thats not "buggy."
 
# 78 Elgin2311 @ 07/22/11 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NDIrish98
regardless of the bugs, the play on the field has been the funnest it's been in a while, that's just me. it's the only college football video game we've got, so we'll deal with it and play it, or come on operationsports.com/forums and try to ruin it for everyone else. me, i'll keep playing it.
I really dont like to agree with.the irish but he or she has a point .
 
# 79 tzinc @ 07/22/11 08:46 PM
Way too many issues with this game this year.

I have bought the game year after year and there have always been some issues but this year they promised so much and delivered so little. Some things seem to be getting worse like the BCS rating system (see my separate post on this).

The playbook has serious issues it DISAPPEARS for God's sake.

Conferences have serious issues you can't design them any way you want. You can't have teams like you want them.

BCS no longer works properly (see my separate post). That is going backwards.

The game is freezing like crazy!!!

I think that gameplay is a little better I will say that but for all the bad stuff this doesn't make things okay.

Even the entrances they pumped up so much are too short.

Coach carousel has issues also.

I honestly love this franchise but why promise stuff you can't deliver on AND then go backwards on something like how the BCS works.

I honestly feel like skipping a few years now until they address all these issues.

These are not nitpicks these are major problems that are ruining the game.
 
# 80 SGMRock @ 07/22/11 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NDIrish98
regardless of the bugs, the play on the field has been the funnest it's been in a while, that's just me. it's the only college football video game we've got, so we'll deal with it and play it, or come on operationsports.com/forums and try to ruin it for everyone else. me, i'll keep playing it.
Oh i'm still having fun playing RTG for now I don't want to start a Dynasty just yet. I started one already on year 3 but was pissed because I'm a DC and my Television Exposure went down every year (ya another bug). So I wanted to start a new Dynasty and discovered the roster bugs so I am holding off a bit to see how things go. Like I said earlier NCAA 11 was a much better game after the final patch and so was Madden 11 for that matter so I'll reserve my judgement on things until some patches come out.
 


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