Madden NFL 17 News Post

An Early Look at Madden NFL 17 Presentation

12:09 PM - April 22, 2016 by Steve_OS

Damarious Randall, cornerback for the Green Bay Packers, posted this Madden NFL 17 screenshot, (which has recently been deleted) showing off some of the new presentation in the game this year.

It's obviously early in the cycle, so a lot of details won't be shown off. Either way, it's Madden NFL 17 news and we are going to post it.

It was around this time last year the Madden hype train started, as they gave the release date with plenty of details on the game released in May.

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# 121 roadman @ 04/25/16 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridiron


	We're bad people if we use that logic. God forbid we use a decade+ of time as a future indicator like any person with a shred of common sense would do.

Yep, I agree, history is a good predictor of the future, but, there are times when it can change too.

Certainly, the leadership has changed and I feel that is on the positive side of the ledger, at this point.

# 122 bloobloouk @ 04/25/16 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridiron


	On the real, the liberties they take with this game is a big part of what's holding it back. This is but one more small example. Don't know why they just can't do broadcast and let it be. Why do they think that's such a bad idea? What exactly are they accomplishing with these liberties other than trying to be different for the sake of being different? I just don't understand what their deal is.

I assume you believe that we should have to play every snap from the broadcast cam mode then?

The reason the Madden team diverges from what we can see on a Sunday is because sometimes they can make improvements that would otherwise be impossible. It's not always the right direction, but it's better than rigidly sticking to a principle of "if it's not on TV don't do it".

# 123 SageInfinite @ 04/25/16 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Yep, I agree, history is a good predictor of the future, but, there are times when it can change too. Certainly, the leadership has changed and I feel that is on the positive side of the ledger, at this point.

Yeah there are definitely times where things change and have changed, for the better and worse. I definitely am more on the Madden side of things nowadays because the game definitely has improved. People just have to realize Madden is going to be Madden, and their vision isn't changing under the current circumstances. Also though, some of the issues remain relevant because EA/Tiburon allows them to be relevant. It's not like everyone is making stuff up.

With that said I'm looking forward to more info, because this definitely isn't info, or any indication on what the game will be this year.

# 124 Hooe @ 04/25/16 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridiron


	My thing is, if you're telling me that I'm going to see in Madden what I see on Sundays, do that. Stop trying to add creativity to places it's not needed. It's totally pointless and just comes off weird. I thought they learned their lesson with "beyond broadcast" from Madden 09. Guess I thought wrong.

Wholeheartedly disagree.

The Madden team is in the unique position to take advantage of the fact that they are presenting NFL football through the lens of an interactive video game. They'd be absolutely foolish to not take advantage of it to push the envelope of presentation in whatever ways they can think of to do so. I go as far as to argue that not adding their own touches is a disservice to the audience.

What reason do they have to artificially limit themselves to what the NFL television broadcasts show? Why not try different things and push the real-life NFL broadcast to improve? How does stifling innovation in presentation by saying "we can't do this because CBS / FOX / NBC don't do it" make the game better?

# 125 SageInfinite @ 04/25/16 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bloobloouk


	I assume you believe that we should have to play every snap from the broadcast cam mode then? The reason the Madden team diverges from what we can see on a Sunday is because sometimes they can make improvements that would otherwise be impossible. It's not always the right direction, but it's better than rigidly sticking to a principle of "if it's not on TV don't do it".

I personally wouldn't like that, but that's because it effects gameplay. I think people just want broadcast emulated from a visual standpoint because it definitely helps with the immersion.

Incorporate the broadcast cam in other ways, but also have it as a gameplay option for people that want it.

Every dev is taking "video game" artistic freedom when it comes to sports games, so no one does it one for one, but Tiburon tends to do things so they look cool but aren't really practical. That's what I have an issue with.

# 126 SageInfinite @ 04/25/16 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe


	Wholeheartedly disagree. The Madden team is in the unique position to take advantage of the fact that they are presenting NFL football through the lens of an interactive video game. They'd be absolutely foolish to not take advantage of it to push the envelope of presentation in whatever ways they can think of to do so. I go as far as to argue that not adding their own touches is a disservice to the audience. What reason do they have to artificially limit themselves to what the NFL television broadcasts show? Why not try different things and push the real-life NFL broadcast to improve? How does stifling innovation in presentation by saying "we can't do this because CBS / FOX / NBC don't do it" make the game better?

The thing is they had that opportunity before when they couldn't make things look as realistic. So they had to compensate by doing "video game" stuff to make up for it. Now that these games are looking more and more realistic, people want that immersion.

I do agree they should take some artistic video game freedom, but have it make sense in a real world perspective, or keep the realistic broadcast elements, but add in things to accompany it.

I personally like to be immersed where I'm like "damn I had to do a double take...". I don't like to be reminded that I'm playing a video game.

# 127 mrprice33 @ 04/25/16 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SageInfinite


	The thing is they had that opportunity before when they couldn't make things look as realistic. So they had to compensate by doing "video game" stuff to make up for it. Now that these games are looking more and more realistic, people want that immersion. I do agree they should take some artistic video game freedom, but have it make sense in a real world perspective, or keep the realistic broadcast elements, but add in things to accompany it. I personally like to be immersed where I'm like "damn I had to do a double take...". I don't like to be reminded that I'm playing a video game.

Assuming this is a starting lineup type of screen, isn't that what they're doing here?

# 128 Hooe @ 04/25/16 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SageInfinite


	I personally like to be immersed where I'm like "damn I had to do a double take...". I don't like to be reminded that I'm playing a video game.

I think you present a fair point. Whatever they do implement should stand up to constructive criticism. For example, the very-digital very-virtual very-blue theme to all of the presentation elements in Madden NFL 09 was super-jarring and absolutely hindered immersion. It was very "game-y". Game-y mechanics like re-wind didn't help either.

That said, I just don't see what's so offensive about this one screen to cause such an uproar as it has. It's (most likely) a dynamic starting lineups shot replacing the player headshots we typically see. It wouldn't look out of place on CBS, and in fact I think CBS already uses dynamic half-body animated shots of players in starting line-ups in their playoff and Super Bowl presentation packages (with the players all filmed in a studio and in jerseys without pads). This doesn't strike me as game-y, in fact it goes one step beyond CBS's element by keeping the players in their natural environment on the field and in their full equipment presented exactly as we see them in the game.

The only reason it's game-y is because there's nothing in real-life that exactly mimics it, and I don't think that's reason enough to be offended by its inclusion.

# 129 oneamongthefence @ 04/25/16 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridiron


	The flaw in that entire post is that starting with Madden 10 they were on the "Everything you see on Sundays, see it in Madden NFL" mantra, and also their own words of saying their goal is a true simulation. Hard to meet that if you do things that aren't true to the simulation of the game we see every Sunday. My thing is, if you're telling me that I'm going to see in Madden what I see on Sundays, do that. Stop trying to add creativity to places it's not needed. It's totally pointless and just comes off weird. I thought they learned their lesson with "beyond broadcast" from Madden 09. Guess I thought wrong.

I thought Madden 09 had some pretty good broadcast design decisions. Replays and cutscenes on the replay screen was genius I thought. Collinsworth actually breaking down certain plays was awesome. I'm glad they're sticking with the CBS inspired stuff as long as they continue to stick with and build on it.
I don't mind adding additional stuff to the broadcast as long as it fits thematically and flows well. If that screenshot makes sense in context I won't mind it.

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# 130 SageInfinite @ 04/25/16 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mrprice33


	Assuming this is a starting lineup type of screen, isn't that what they're doing here?

Yeah I said I didn't have a problem with the screen. The only thing that I thought was a little goofy was the posing. Especially if it doesn't fit with a players personality.

# 131 sportsfan1976 @ 04/25/16 12:53 PM

I thought EA said that Madden 16 was so much focus on game play that next year they would add new equipment becasue it was voted high on there to do list . Just have to wait and see.

# 132 bloobloouk @ 04/25/16 12:54 PM

I know this isn't strictly comparable, but it may be worthwhile to consider the "tasteful" intros that we are often treated to in real life:

https://youtu.be/eaaj0yStXJA

Dancing in a steelworks
Running through a corn field
Catching a ball in a desert while lightning strikes
Hanging out in Times Square
Juking through a tundra

Maybe we ought to be thankful that EA doesn't always stick with what is shown on TV!

# 133 SageInfinite @ 04/25/16 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe


	That said, I just don't see what's so offensive about this one screen to cause such an uproar as it has. It's (most likely) a dynamic starting lineups shot replacing the player headshots we typically see. It wouldn't look out of place on CBS, and in fact I think CBS already uses dynamic half-body animated shots of players in starting line-ups in their playoff and Super Bowl presentation packages (with the players all filmed in a studio and in jerseys without pads). This doesn't strike me as game-y, in fact it goes one step beyond CBS's element by keeping the players in their natural environment on the field and in their full equipment presented exactly as we see them in the game. The only reason it's game-y is because there's nothing in real-life that exactly mimics it, and I don't think that's reason enough to be offended by its inclusion.

Yeah I don't have a problem with it. I just think since it is a different from a typical broadcast thing, make it for the primetime, or playoff matchups. Or if you're going to have this for regular games have something different for the matchups I mentioned. Just give us some variety. Make the games feel special.

The only thing that really stuck out to me was the posing. I think they should just keep it simple, unless it's something that's sig to a player, or fits his personality. I'm all for staying immersed in the NFL product.

# 134 mrprice33 @ 04/25/16 12:57 PM

The criteria for me is: if the networks *could* do something that takes place in the game, would they?

I think if the networks could arrange something like this they would absolutely do it. Just like they did wire cams, on-screen graphics, and everything else they've borrowed from sports games.

# 135 mrprice33 @ 04/25/16 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bloobloouk


	I know this isn't strictly comparable, but it may be worthwhile to consider the "tasteful" intros that we are often treated to in real life: https://youtu.be/eaaj0yStXJA Dancing in a steelworks Running through a corn field Catching a ball in a desert while lightning strikes Hanging out in Times Square Juking through a tundra Maybe we ought to be thankful that EA doesn't always stick with what is shown on TV!

The idea that tv networks somehow present this sanitized, "pure" version of football that madden spits in the face of is hilarious. Thank you for this post.

# 136 mestevo @ 04/25/16 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridiron


	The screen brings back bad memories of Madden 08's ridiculous player intro's. I don't want to see it goes backwards to that kind of mess again. We'll see how far they take it, but to me, I'd be impressed if they just... did... broadcast. Why is it okay for the other sports games to give us this amazing broadcast experience, but when it comes to the NFL that all goes out the window for Madden? I just don't see the logic.

The action is unfolding simultaneously over a large part of a 360x160 ft. area that we have to control, for starters.

# 137 mrprice33 @ 04/25/16 01:16 PM

Also, the first John Madden Football predates the first World League game by 3 years. Just sayin

# 138 Hooe @ 04/25/16 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridiron


	Yeah, they didn't borrow any of that from sports video games. They were doing wire cams on the USA Network in the WLAF (and helmet cams), long before any video game was even capable of that technologically. I loved the WLAF and I remember it all vividly. And On-screen graphics for sports games date back to 1950's/60's television. Video games get no credit for those.

For innovating them? Probably not, given that you can cite their use in a football league I've never heard of and a league which ceased to exist when I was all of five years old. For popularizing them? Absolutely.

With the Madden audience, you're mostly speaking to a generation of football fans who mostly didn't know of SkyCam before they saw it in NBC and ESPN NFL broadcasts, and maybe a select few of them know that NBC first adopted it for broadcasts of Vince McMahon's XFL. To this generation of football fans the wire camera is the "Madden" / football video game perspective. They see things video games do and ask for them in the real-life broadcasts, and vice-versa, not caring at all about their true origin.

# 139 mrprice33 @ 04/25/16 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridiron


	That's slightly different. You said on-screen graphics before, not 3D graphics specifically, to which I said that there has been on-screen graphics in sports games since 50's/60's. Now my question is, with that quote, what Madden exactly are they referring to? Because before the first Madden on Genesis, networks were already doing graphics, even cheesy 3D graphics in the 80's and 90's.

This is a quote from an article written in 2004, posted in this very thread.

The point is both sides borrow from each other, liberally. Again, to restrict Madden (or any sports title) to just what's seen on TV is stifling to innovation.

# 140 prhiam @ 04/25/16 02:14 PM

I actually like this, the only thing I can think of though is I hope to high heaven the players move like real people instead of the insanely clunky robotic nature they do now....

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