An Early Look at Madden NFL 17 Presentation

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by SageInfinite

The thing is they had that opportunity before when they couldn't make things look as realistic. So they had to compensate by doing "video game" stuff to make up for it. Now that these games are looking more and more realistic, people want that immersion. I do agree they should take some artistic video game freedom, but have it make sense in a real world perspective, or keep the realistic broadcast elements, but add in things to accompany it. I personally like to be immersed where I'm like "damn I had to do a double take...". I don't like to be reminded that I'm playing a video game.

Assuming this is a starting lineup type of screen, isn't that what they're doing here?

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by SageInfinite

I personally like to be immersed where I'm like "damn I had to do a double take...". I don't like to be reminded that I'm playing a video game.

I think you present a fair point. Whatever they do implement should stand up to constructive criticism. For example, the very-digital very-virtual very-blue theme to all of the presentation elements in Madden NFL 09 was super-jarring and absolutely hindered immersion. It was very "game-y". Game-y mechanics like re-wind didn't help either.

That said, I just don't see what's so offensive about this one screen to cause such an uproar as it has. It's (most likely) a dynamic starting lineups shot replacing the player headshots we typically see. It wouldn't look out of place on CBS, and in fact I think CBS already uses dynamic half-body animated shots of players in starting line-ups in their playoff and Super Bowl presentation packages (with the players all filmed in a studio and in jerseys without pads). This doesn't strike me as game-y, in fact it goes one step beyond CBS's element by keeping the players in their natural environment on the field and in their full equipment presented exactly as we see them in the game.

The only reason it's game-y is because there's nothing in real-life that exactly mimics it, and I don't think that's reason enough to be offended by its inclusion.

[Gridiron]

Quote: Originally Posted by bloobloouk

I assume you believe that we should have to play every snap from the broadcast cam mode then?

I hope you're kidding.

Quote: Originally Posted by bloobloouk

The reason the Madden team diverges from what we can see on a Sunday is because sometimes they can make improvements that would otherwise be impossible. It's not always the right direction, but it's better than rigidly sticking to a principle of "if it's not on TV don't do it".

I totally disagree, and I think many people who've been waiting for them to actually get to a level where it is on par with TV would disagree with you, especially since all the other major sports games have reached that level.

I'll also say that even if there isn't a vocal group of people saying they want it strict to TV, I don't see a counter group saying they want fake Tiburon-style presentation either. I mean let's be real for once:

who is sitting there going "Yeah, give me fake camera angles! Give me fake montages! Screw the awesome network presentation we get on TV! Screw how MLB The Show, NBA 2K, and EA NHL does an amazing job of giving me that true gameday feel! No, give me hammy fake presentation! Woo-hoo!

C'mon man.

What's being done by the networks is excellent. That doesn't need to be "improved" on and what Tiburon has done with it is certainly no improvement, the very thought is laughable to me.

What Tiburon is REALLY doing is acting in hubris to believe they can "improve" on that. So far, they've failed to do it anyway, so the "improve" angle point is really moot. Madden's presentation is easily in last place of all AAA sports games. Even their own NHL game puts a whupp'in on it like it brought home a bad report card.

I'm amazed at the inept things people condone and thumbs up for these guys. This enabling is madness.

[oneamongthefence]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gridiron

The flaw in that entire post is that starting with Madden 10 they were on the "Everything you see on Sundays, see it in Madden NFL" mantra, and also their own words of saying their goal is a true simulation. Hard to meet that if you do things that aren't true to the simulation of the game we see every Sunday. My thing is, if you're telling me that I'm going to see in Madden what I see on Sundays, do that. Stop trying to add creativity to places it's not needed. It's totally pointless and just comes off weird. I thought they learned their lesson with "beyond broadcast" from Madden 09. Guess I thought wrong.

I thought Madden 09 had some pretty good broadcast design decisions. Replays and cutscenes on the replay screen was genius I thought. Collinsworth actually breaking down certain plays was awesome. I'm glad they're sticking with the CBS inspired stuff as long as they continue to stick with and build on it.
I don't mind adding additional stuff to the broadcast as long as it fits thematically and flows well. If that screenshot makes sense in context I won't mind it.

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[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

Assuming this is a starting lineup type of screen, isn't that what they're doing here?

Yeah I said I didn't have a problem with the screen. The only thing that I thought was a little goofy was the posing. Especially if it doesn't fit with a players personality.

[sportsfan1976]

I thought EA said that Madden 16 was so much focus on game play that next year they would add new equipment becasue it was voted high on there to do list . Just have to wait and see.

[bloobloouk]

I know this isn't strictly comparable, but it may be worthwhile to consider the "tasteful" intros that we are often treated to in real life:

https://youtu.be/eaaj0yStXJA

• Dancing in a steelworks
• Running through a corn field
• Catching a ball in a desert while lightning strikes
• Hanging out in Times Square
• Juking through a tundra

Maybe we ought to be thankful that EA doesn't always stick with what is shown on TV!

[Gridiron]

Quote: Originally Posted by oneamongthefence

I thought Madden 09 had some pretty good broadcast design decisions. Replays and cutscenes on the replay screen was genius I thought. Collinsworth actually breaking down certain plays was awesome. I'm glad they're sticking with the CBS inspired stuff as long as they continue to stick with and build on it. I don't mind adding additional stuff to the broadcast as long as it fits thematically and flows well. If that screenshot makes sense in context I won't mind it. Sent from my LG-AS991 using Tapatalk

Madden 09's playcall setup WAS genius. But Madden 09 as a game in totality was a disaster. Better than Madden 08, still a disaster. The playcall screen concept is the only thing I wished carried over, it was the most advanced idea for that I've ever seen.