An Early Look at Madden NFL 17 Presentation

[Gridiron]

Quote: Originally Posted by SageInfinite

... but let's not act like people aren't basing their opinions on the game we've been getting for a decade.

We're bad people if we use that logic. God forbid we use a decade+ of time as a future indicator like any person with a shred of common sense would do.

[Don Jon]

Entering a madden thread in April

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[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gridiron

We're bad people if we use that logic. God forbid we use a decade+ of time as a future indicator like any person with a shred of common sense would do.

Yep, I agree, history is a good predictor of the future, but, there are times when it can change too.

Certainly, the leadership has changed and I feel that is on the positive side of the ledger, at this point.

[bloobloouk]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gridiron

On the real, the liberties they take with this game is a big part of what's holding it back. This is but one more small example. Don't know why they just can't do broadcast and let it be. Why do they think that's such a bad idea? What exactly are they accomplishing with these liberties other than trying to be different for the sake of being different? I just don't understand what their deal is.

I assume you believe that we should have to play every snap from the broadcast cam mode then?

The reason the Madden team diverges from what we can see on a Sunday is because sometimes they can make improvements that would otherwise be impossible. It's not always the right direction, but it's better than rigidly sticking to a principle of "if it's not on TV don't do it".

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Yep, I agree, history is a good predictor of the future, but, there are times when it can change too. Certainly, the leadership has changed and I feel that is on the positive side of the ledger, at this point.

Yeah there are definitely times where things change and have changed, for the better and worse. I definitely am more on the Madden side of things nowadays because the game definitely has improved. People just have to realize Madden is going to be Madden, and their vision isn't changing under the current circumstances. Also though, some of the issues remain relevant because EA/Tiburon allows them to be relevant. It's not like everyone is making stuff up.

With that said I'm looking forward to more info, because this definitely isn't info, or any indication on what the game will be this year.

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gridiron

My thing is, if you're telling me that I'm going to see in Madden what I see on Sundays, do that. Stop trying to add creativity to places it's not needed. It's totally pointless and just comes off weird. I thought they learned their lesson with "beyond broadcast" from Madden 09. Guess I thought wrong.

Wholeheartedly disagree.

The Madden team is in the unique position to take advantage of the fact that they are presenting NFL football through the lens of an interactive video game. They'd be absolutely foolish to not take advantage of it to push the envelope of presentation in whatever ways they can think of to do so. I go as far as to argue that not adding their own touches is a disservice to the audience.

What reason do they have to artificially limit themselves to what the NFL television broadcasts show? Why not try different things and push the real-life NFL broadcast to improve? How does stifling innovation in presentation by saying "we can't do this because CBS / FOX / NBC don't do it" make the game better?

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by bloobloouk

I assume you believe that we should have to play every snap from the broadcast cam mode then? The reason the Madden team diverges from what we can see on a Sunday is because sometimes they can make improvements that would otherwise be impossible. It's not always the right direction, but it's better than rigidly sticking to a principle of "if it's not on TV don't do it".

I personally wouldn't like that, but that's because it effects gameplay. I think people just want broadcast emulated from a visual standpoint because it definitely helps with the immersion.

Incorporate the broadcast cam in other ways, but also have it as a gameplay option for people that want it.

Every dev is taking "video game" artistic freedom when it comes to sports games, so no one does it one for one, but Tiburon tends to do things so they look cool but aren't really practical. That's what I have an issue with.

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

Wholeheartedly disagree. The Madden team is in the unique position to take advantage of the fact that they are presenting NFL football through the lens of an interactive video game. They'd be absolutely foolish to not take advantage of it to push the envelope of presentation in whatever ways they can think of to do so. I go as far as to argue that not adding their own touches is a disservice to the audience. What reason do they have to artificially limit themselves to what the NFL television broadcasts show? Why not try different things and push the real-life NFL broadcast to improve? How does stifling innovation in presentation by saying "we can't do this because CBS / FOX / NBC don't do it" make the game better?

The thing is they had that opportunity before when they couldn't make things look as realistic. So they had to compensate by doing "video game" stuff to make up for it. Now that these games are looking more and more realistic, people want that immersion.

I do agree they should take some artistic video game freedom, but have it make sense in a real world perspective, or keep the realistic broadcast elements, but add in things to accompany it.

I personally like to be immersed where I'm like "damn I had to do a double take...". I don't like to be reminded that I'm playing a video game.