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09:16 PM - December 13, 2011 by Steve_OS

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# 721 Lyvean @ 01/04/12 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ehh


	Three months after the release, after the lockout has ended and the holiday chaos has passed - I FINALLY have a chance to get to know 2K12. Tomba's kit makes the game damn nice off the bat, easily an improvement over 2K11. Nice to see that defense has returned to the series and that you can't drop 60 every night with Melo, LeBron, Kobe, etc. And a new 55" 1080p plasma + Press camera = heaven. This game looks stunning, especially with all the accessory edits from Tomba & Co. Time to start putting some major time into this game.

If you have a good post player you can score 60 every game because the AI doesn't double team or play proper help D.

So yeah, nice return to a broken state.

# 722 nogster @ 01/04/12 05:26 PM

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	Nice to see that defense has returned to the series and that you can't drop 60 every night with Melo, LeBron, Kobe, etc.

Yes you can. If you really wanted to and are skilled enough with said player. you could score 100 a night.
Simply post them up or iso them on one side of the court and work you way into the post, back down. score. you will NEVER be doubled.
I scored all 54pts for the Lakers in one half using only Shaq to shoot. Not once did the cpu adjust to my tactic.
you can own with MJ, Kobe, Melo in the post. repeatedly without the cpu countering, without penalty.

I dont see how anyone can think this is a non issue.

Watch some NBA games. just have a look at how many times a D will trap a player when they are in the post backing down or about to make a move in an ISO mismatch.

In NBA 2k12, this fundamental basketball principle is non existant.

# 723 Flightwhite24 @ 01/04/12 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nogster


	Yes you can. If you really wanted to and are skilled enough with said player. you could score 100 a night. Simply post them up or iso them on one side of the court and work you way into the post, back down. score. you will NEVER be doubled. I scored all 54pts for the Lakers in one half using only Shaq to shoot. Not once did the cpu adjust to my tactic. you can own with MJ, Kobe, Melo in the post. repeatedly without the cpu countering, without penalty. I dont see how anyone can think this is a non issue. Watch some NBA games. just have a look at how many times a D will trap a player when they are in the post backing down or about to make a move in an ISO mismatch. In NBA 2k12, this fundamental basketball principle is non existant.

I guess I will never have an experience were I take "1" guy and only have him shoot and thats why I personally don't see it. I play team ball and I spread it around the whole 48 minutes. Hell its rare that any of my players even get the fire emblem because I spread it around so much. Grant it now Kobe is always pretty much POTG when its all said and done but shot attempts are spread around with Kobe of course getting the most atts.

Not questioning you Nogster or anyone else who has an issue with Double Teams. I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over??? Different strokes for different folks I guess. As far as using a big man in the post when I back down Bynum/Gasol its not a automatic for me. Could be I'm not as skilled with the sticks as some but I have games where my low post game is atrocious.

Maybe 2K can or is there a slider to increase Double teams and that way everyone can be at peace with this???

Now get my rosters updated 2K.

# 724 Sundown @ 01/05/12 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FLIGHTWHITE


	Not questioning you Nogster or anyone else who has an issue with Double Teams. I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over???

I don't have this problem because the Warriors don't have much of a post presence-- but you should be able to keep doing what's working without feeling guilty about it and hope the CPU makes adjustments to force you to change up your game. The point of good team basketball is so the defense can't adjust to any one player, but it's pointless if it's actually unnecessary except as an aesthetic choice to make the game look like real basketball.

Those asking for correct double teams shouldn't be criticized for finding fault with the game. They just want the AI to play more realistically so they can throw all they have at it, rather than handcuff themselves and purposely to avoid the computer's weaknesses when in real life you would attack them.

# 725 DavonBrown @ 01/05/12 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FLIGHTWHITE


	I guess I will never have an experience were I take "1" guy and only have him shoot and thats why I personally don't see it. I play team ball and I spread it around the whole 48 minutes. Hell its rare that any of my players even get the fire emblem because I spread it around so much. Grant it now Kobe is always pretty much POTG when its all said and done but shot attempts are spread around with Kobe of course getting the most atts. Not questioning you Nogster or anyone else who has an issue with Double Teams. I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over??? Different strokes for different folks I guess. As far as using a big man in the post when I back down Bynum/Gasol its not a automatic for me. Could be I'm not as skilled with the sticks as some but I have games where my low post game is atrocious. Maybe 2K can or is there a slider to increase Double teams and that way everyone can be at peace with this??? Now get my rosters updated 2K.

So Shaq didn't touch the ball every possession down low when he was on a roll? When he got the rock he would read the defense.
Single= Attack
Double= Find the open man (or sometimes attack anyway, lol)

You can't use that strategy in the game because the AI never brings a double or even strong help to the low post. That flaw makes using a tactic used by NBA players every night seem cheap. Not simulation at all, sir.

# 726 nogster @ 01/05/12 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DavonBrown


	So Shaq didn't touch the ball every possession down low when he was on a roll? When he got the rock he would read the defense. Single= Attack Double= Find the open man (or sometimes attack anyway, lol) You can't use that strategy in the game because the AI never brings a double or even strong help to the low post. That flaw makes using a tactic used by NBA players every night seem cheap. Not simulation at all, sir.

exactly.
I mean, isnt that basketball offense 101. get the ball to your best offensive player in their spot and utilize him unless or till the defense reacts, adjusts and forces you elsewhere.

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	I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over???

Because you can. why not? Again thats basketball offense 101. Its up to the defense to counter/adjust this by forcing you elsewhere.
I bet if you played a human opponent [or previous 2k games] they wouldnt let you go to the same player over and over. they would do their best to force you elsewhere. The cpu doesnt do this at all in 2k12. there is NO adjustment.

Are you saying that if you controlled the 98 Lakers, you wouldnt go to Shaq predominantly in the half court and if the double or trap didnt come pass it out regardless? just so you can have the feeling of a balanced offense?

I like to share the rock and spread the ball around too. but the fact that you dont have to when you have a dominant post or Iso type scorer to be successfull is a game breaker for me.

# 727 Lyvean @ 01/05/12 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FLIGHTWHITE


	I guess I will never have an experience were I take "1" guy and only have him shoot and thats why I personally don't see it. I play team ball and I spread it around the whole 48 minutes. Hell its rare that any of my players even get the fire emblem because I spread it around so much. Grant it now Kobe is always pretty much POTG when its all said and done but shot attempts are spread around with Kobe of course getting the most atts. Not questioning you Nogster or anyone else who has an issue with Double Teams. I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over??? Different strokes for different folks I guess. As far as using a big man in the post when I back down Bynum/Gasol its not a automatic for me. Could be I'm not as skilled with the sticks as some but I have games where my low post game is atrocious. Maybe 2K can or is there a slider to increase Double teams and that way everyone can be at peace with this??? Now get my rosters updated 2K.

You just don't get it, do you? Come on man, it's not space science.

The A.I. should adjust its defence, like in real life, when a player is on a hot streak or when he is consistently scoring 25, 30 points. You don't HAVE to score 50 points with one player to make this problem appear. The A.I. D should be adjusting when you have scored 30 points!!! Or shouldn't we attempt to score 30 points with one player in order to play "team" basketaball?

Unbelievable what some people will do to defend the game... Unbelievable...

# 728 Flightwhite24 @ 01/05/12 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyvean


	You just don't get it, do you? Come on man, it's not space science. The A.I. should adjust its defence, like in real life, when a player is on a hot streak or when he is consistently scoring 25, 30 points. You don't HAVE to score 50 points with one player to make this problem appear. The A.I. D should be adjusting when you have scored 30 points!!! Or shouldn't we attempt to score 30 points with one player in order to play "team" basketaball? Unbelievable what some people will do to defend the game... Unbelievable...

Its obvious you didn't read my post. I have yet to experience it because I have never played the way Nogster had explained and I'm sure Nogster was just experimenting when he was posting his experience.

My comment is for those that actually play that way meaning scoring 100pts with one player. Again I will never experience what you guys have because I spread the ball around so much. Have I've seen doubles? Yes. Do others have issues with doubles? Yes. Do I feel there going overboard with the double team? Yes and no. Nogster I feel gave an example of what happens and I don't think he plays that way. I have a problem when some actually plays that way and then come on here screaming that the game is broken when in fact there playing style is the issue imo.

Nogster I hope you understand my take and it is in no way taking a shot at your post because what you stated happens because others have experienced it.

It's not about defending a game. For me its about having a cool conversation about mine/others gaming experience and finding ways to make it better if possible. Nothin more nothing less.

Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk

# 729 DLG @ 01/05/12 02:22 PM

Addressed issue where Created Players are assigned Cold Zones for all shot locations. This change applies for all generated players in Association/My Player modes as well.

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This is apart of the patch notes, but it didnt get fixed so I think you guys can figure out what my impression of this patch is ..

# 730 DJ @ 01/05/12 02:47 PM

I see both sides of the double-team argument. I will say in the games I've played, I have seen double-teams. In fact, yesterday I was playing the Pacers-Heat game in NBA Today and was controlling the Heat. I caught fire with LeBron in the 2nd quarter and after I rattled off 4 straight baskets, Indiana began to double James as soon as I crossed half court. Very happy to see that.

The doubles in the post do happen, but it's very rare, that is true. I scored 36 points with Patrick Ewing last night against the Magic (still lost the game) and didn't notice the Magic making a real effort to double-team ... there was some movement towards Ewing, but not a true double.

However, I will say, having watched highlights of the Pacers-Heat game, I didn't notice a lot of double-teams in that game. LeBron spent a lot of time in the post and Indiana rarely sent a second defender towards James while he was in the post, so perhaps 2K is on to something.

# 731 tehova @ 01/05/12 02:50 PM

I remember when somebody brought it to DaCzar's attention that they werent being double teammed, so i went in just to see how bad it was...I scored 105 with Marc Gasol, they didnt double team once and i fouled out all 3 center's on their roster.

So yea if you wanted to indeed score every time, the AI would have no problem obliging

# 732 nogster @ 01/05/12 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FLIGHTWHITE


	Its obvious you didn't read my post. I have yet to experience it because I have never played the way Nogster had explained and I'm sure Nogster was just experimenting when he was posting his experience. My comment is for those that actually play that way meaning scoring 100pts with one player. Again I will never experience what you guys have because I spread the ball around so much. Have I've seen doubles? Yes. Do others have issues with doubles? Yes. Do I feel there going overboard with the double team? Yes and no. Nogster I feel gave an example of what happens and I don't think he plays that way. I have a problem when some actually plays that way and then come on here screaming that the game is broken when in fact there playing style is the issue imo. Nogster I hope you understand my take and it is in no way taking a shot at your post because what you stated happens because others have experienced it. It's not about defending a game. For me its about having a cool conversation about mine/others gaming experience and finding ways to make it better if possible. Nothin more nothing less. Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk

All is cool.

But its not a game style issue. Its a game issue. plain and simple.

The fact that you can use one player to score with over and over [if you are skilled enough with said player] and the cpu will never adjust and force you to look elsewhere for offense is a game issue.
If Kobe and/or Gasol, or Bynnum got injured and you had to utilize one of these guys predominantly you would notice this issue rear its ugly head. as you would more than likely utilize that one player far more and notice no cpu adjustment to force you elsewhere.

If you were a Magic fan, Im certain you would be frustrated by this issue. as there is no inside outside game.
What if you were a 94 ROCKETS fan. That team was built completely around one player. he would recieve the ball in ISO's or the post in every half court play. The whole gameplan revolved around the fact that he cant be guarded one on one. It would annoy you no end witnessing Olajuwon not getting doubled.

Go on. use Bynum as the focal point of your offense. get him the ball in the low post and let him back down till he is in position to score. you wouldnt need to use any other player. Dont you think that is poor?

I mean, When you play the cpu and they repeatedly and successfully score with one player or you are found in a defensive mismatch, I bet you double down and force the ball out of that players hands.
Well I expect the same from the CPU D, and it simply doesnt happen.

# 733 nogster @ 01/05/12 05:29 PM

Also. Its not just a post issue. Its also an ISO issue.
I noticed it when I played with the 01 raptors in my superleague roster and Carter was dominating without the cpu adjusting. I had 37pts at half time. [I wasnt trying to only score with him. just simply playing the right way with that team] The cpu just wouldnt double or trap him. I started Iso'ing him. leaving his defender 1 on 1, on an island against a HOT offensive powerhouse. Triple threat, jab step, jumper, or pullup, or post then fade. No double. no defensive counter. I quit the game with Carter on 54pts due to frustration. I didnt understand why the CPU wasnt adjusting. started thinking it was my rosters issue. tested and discovered it wasnt.

Once I discovered this flaw is prevelant and there is NOTHING I can do about it, AFTER spending hours and hours and hours, days and days, weeks creating and editing my superleague roster. every free moment of my long service leave spent on this damn Roster. Not happy. I feel like I have wasted my hard earned holidays because I cant bring myself to play this damn game now.

# 734 DJ @ 01/05/12 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nogster


	Also. Its not just a post issue. Its also an ISO issue. I noticed it when I played with the 01 raptors in my superleague roster and Carter was dominating without the cpu adjusting. I had 37pts at half time. [I wasnt trying to only score with him. just simply playing the right way with that team] The cpu just wouldnt double or trap him. I started Iso'ing him. leaving his defender 1 on 1, on an island against a HOT offensive powerhouse. Triple threat, jab step, jumper, or pullup, or post then fade. No double. no defensive counter. I quit the game with Carter on 54pts due to frustration. I didnt understand why the CPU wasnt adjusting. started thinking it was my rosters issue. tested and discovered it wasnt. Once I discovered this flaw is prevelant and there is NOTHING I can do about it, AFTER spending hours and hours and hours, days and days, weeks creating and editing my superleague roster. every free moment of my long service leave spent on this damn Roster. Not happy. I feel like I have wasted my hard earned holidays because I cant bring myself to play this damn game now.

I feel you, Nogster, and it's a shame you can't enjoy the game because of this glaring issue. I don't get how this was left out when 2K11 had double teams PERFECT. MKHarsh is updating 2K11 with current-day rosters, so that is an option for you. Of course, the Wizards' uniforms/court will be wrong, but at least you'd have your double teams!

# 735 DiceMan @ 01/06/12 05:24 PM

Oddly enough guys I've seen a couple traps @ half court in my last 2 games (and not due to a player being hot).

Also I'm not sure if picks were supposed to be part of the fixes w/1.04 but are any of you noticing that picks are not effective @ all? It seems like I can get the defender to fight over the pick slightly but I can't seem to run an effective pick & roll.

# 736 Flightwhite24 @ 01/06/12 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Padgoi


	But isn't the point of basketball (as nogster attested to earlier) to utilize your best weapon on the court? The point of basketball is to get the ball in the hole. The point is not to utilize every player evenly and fairly and move the ball around. That's a STRATEGY used in order to receive the goal of . . . putting the ball in the basket. The point nogster is making is that if you can score 100 points with one player and win every single game that way, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE would do it because . . . that's the point of basketball. No, it's not fun, but it's successful.

Trust me I understand what Nogster and others are having a problem with. I'm just saying I would never take 1 player and try to score 100 pts. Personally as I've mentioned for me the double teams are fine and I just wish that there was a slider that could be adjusted to solve the the lack of doubles that some wish happened more often.

Personally I wish everyone could get the experience that they wanted because that damn sure would cut down on some of the threads. Lol. I also have come to the conclusion that no matter what someone is gonna have an issue with something no matter what game developers do and no matter how much they try and fix. Don't believe me. Watch what happens when this roster update comes out and the accusations of how it RED-RINGED my system.

# 737 NINJAK2 @ 01/06/12 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Padgoi


	But isn't the point of basketball (as nogster attested to earlier) to utilize your best weapon on the court? The point of basketball is to get the ball in the hole. The point is not to utilize every player evenly and fairly and move the ball around. That's a STRATEGY used in order to receive the goal of . . . putting the ball in the basket. The point nogster is making is that if you can score 100 points with one player and win every single game that way, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE would do it because . . . that's the point of basketball. No, it's not fun, but it's successful.

I think the point FLIGHT is trying to make Padgoi is he runs plays and keeps everyone involved in his offense by nature and he doesn't try to dominate with one guy. Ofcourse the point of the game is to put the ball in the basket but everyone has their own methods of achieving that. Because he utilized that particular strategy, he does not experience the same issues to the level of others.

It's like that old conversation/joke:
Patient: Hey doctor, it hurts when I do this..
Dr: Well, then stop doing that.....

Not saying 2k should sit idle and do nothing or that it is not an issue at all but some are experiencing differences in regards to this probably based on their style of play(I myself have seen doubles in the post or in halfcourt on hot players[not full on traps but help defenders on perimeter]). I personally have or would ever take every shot with one guy whether it's MJ or Shaq to discover this to the point of causing me potential aggravation. You would think a double would come though in the situations nog, CV, and others have mentioned and I get that point 100% if you aren't getting that...

# 738 Flightwhite24 @ 01/06/12 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NINJAK2


	I think the point FLIGHT is trying to make Padgoi is he runs plays and keeps everyone involved in his offense by nature and he doesn't try to dominate with one guy. Ofcourse the point of the game is to put the ball in the basket but everyone has their own methods of achieving that. Because he utilized that particular strategy, he does not experience the same issues to the level of others.

This is it in a nutshell.

# 739 Whaaaazuuuuup @ 01/06/12 10:17 PM

Why haven't the 2k developer been anywhere to be found?? Last yr they were more than happy to help us. This yr, ghost!!...

# 740 Flightwhite24 @ 01/07/12 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 1D4ever


	The defense on this game is a joke. I don't think I have ever seen a legit double team. I scored 102 last night with a created Harold Miner (he's rated about an 80) he was not doubled once. I really didn't feel I was forcing it to him either, Wade had 27 and Lebron had about 30 as well, nobody was doubled the whole game. I was playing the 97-98 Spurs on hall of fame level and I still dropped a little over 200 points on them. The abilty to score a ton with one player is no issue you can do that with most bb sims it's that fact that the cpu couldn't seem to care less is my issue. The game is great in some ways but I can't think of an NBA live game that had this issue. Come on in 1993 Bulls vs blazers use to attempt to double and the top game 20 years later can't do that, smh.

Wait a minute, you scored 200 pts?? 24 min qtrs?? why?? Better yet how?

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