NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

[Lyvean]

Quote: Originally Posted by ehh

Three months after the release, after the lockout has ended and the holiday chaos has passed - I FINALLY have a chance to get to know 2K12. Tomba's kit makes the game damn nice off the bat, easily an improvement over 2K11. Nice to see that defense has returned to the series and that you can't drop 60 every night with Melo, LeBron, Kobe, etc. And a new 55" 1080p plasma + Press camera = heaven. This game looks stunning, especially with all the accessory edits from Tomba & Co. Time to start putting some major time into this game.

If you have a good post player you can score 60 every game because the AI doesn't double team or play proper help D.

So yeah, nice return to a broken state.

[nogster]

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Nice to see that defense has returned to the series and that you can't drop 60 every night with Melo, LeBron, Kobe, etc.

Yes you can. If you really wanted to and are skilled enough with said player. you could score 100 a night.
Simply post them up or iso them on one side of the court and work you way into the post, back down. score. you will NEVER be doubled.
I scored all 54pts for the Lakers in one half using only Shaq to shoot. Not once did the cpu adjust to my tactic.
you can own with MJ, Kobe, Melo in the post. repeatedly without the cpu countering, without penalty.

I dont see how anyone can think this is a non issue.

Watch some NBA games. just have a look at how many times a D will trap a player when they are in the post backing down or about to make a move in an ISO mismatch.

In NBA 2k12, this fundamental basketball principle is non existant.

[Flightwhite24]

Quote: Originally Posted by nogster

Yes you can. If you really wanted to and are skilled enough with said player. you could score 100 a night. Simply post them up or iso them on one side of the court and work you way into the post, back down. score. you will NEVER be doubled. I scored all 54pts for the Lakers in one half using only Shaq to shoot. Not once did the cpu adjust to my tactic. you can own with MJ, Kobe, Melo in the post. repeatedly without the cpu countering, without penalty. I dont see how anyone can think this is a non issue. Watch some NBA games. just have a look at how many times a D will trap a player when they are in the post backing down or about to make a move in an ISO mismatch. In NBA 2k12, this fundamental basketball principle is non existant.

I guess I will never have an experience were I take "1" guy and only have him shoot and thats why I personally don't see it. I play team ball and I spread it around the whole 48 minutes. Hell its rare that any of my players even get the fire emblem because I spread it around so much. Grant it now Kobe is always pretty much POTG when its all said and done but shot attempts are spread around with Kobe of course getting the most atts.

Not questioning you Nogster or anyone else who has an issue with Double Teams. I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over??? Different strokes for different folks I guess. As far as using a big man in the post when I back down Bynum/Gasol its not a automatic for me. Could be I'm not as skilled with the sticks as some but I have games where my low post game is atrocious.

Maybe 2K can or is there a slider to increase Double teams and that way everyone can be at peace with this???

Now get my rosters updated 2K.

[Sundown]

Quote: Originally Posted by FLIGHTWHITE

Not questioning you Nogster or anyone else who has an issue with Double Teams. I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over???

I don't have this problem because the Warriors don't have much of a post presence-- but you should be able to keep doing what's working without feeling guilty about it and hope the CPU makes adjustments to force you to change up your game. The point of good team basketball is so the defense can't adjust to any one player, but it's pointless if it's actually unnecessary except as an aesthetic choice to make the game look like real basketball.

Those asking for correct double teams shouldn't be criticized for finding fault with the game. They just want the AI to play more realistically so they can throw all they have at it, rather than handcuff themselves and purposely to avoid the computer's weaknesses when in real life you would attack them.

[DavonBrown]

Quote: Originally Posted by FLIGHTWHITE

I guess I will never have an experience were I take "1" guy and only have him shoot and thats why I personally don't see it. I play team ball and I spread it around the whole 48 minutes. Hell its rare that any of my players even get the fire emblem because I spread it around so much. Grant it now Kobe is always pretty much POTG when its all said and done but shot attempts are spread around with Kobe of course getting the most atts. Not questioning you Nogster or anyone else who has an issue with Double Teams. I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over??? Different strokes for different folks I guess. As far as using a big man in the post when I back down Bynum/Gasol its not a automatic for me. Could be I'm not as skilled with the sticks as some but I have games where my low post game is atrocious. Maybe 2K can or is there a slider to increase Double teams and that way everyone can be at peace with this??? Now get my rosters updated 2K.

So Shaq didn't touch the ball every possession down low when he was on a roll? When he got the rock he would read the defense.
Single= Attack
Double= Find the open man (or sometimes attack anyway, lol)

You can't use that strategy in the game because the AI never brings a double or even strong help to the low post. That flaw makes using a tactic used by NBA players every night seem cheap. Not simulation at all, sir.

[nogster]

Quote: Originally Posted by DavonBrown

So Shaq didn't touch the ball every possession down low when he was on a roll? When he got the rock he would read the defense. Single= Attack Double= Find the open man (or sometimes attack anyway, lol) You can't use that strategy in the game because the AI never brings a double or even strong help to the low post. That flaw makes using a tactic used by NBA players every night seem cheap. Not simulation at all, sir.

exactly.
I mean, isnt that basketball offense 101. get the ball to your best offensive player in their spot and utilize him unless or till the defense reacts, adjusts and forces you elsewhere.

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I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over???

Because you can. why not? Again thats basketball offense 101. Its up to the defense to counter/adjust this by forcing you elsewhere.
I bet if you played a human opponent [or previous 2k games] they wouldnt let you go to the same player over and over. they would do their best to force you elsewhere. The cpu doesnt do this at all in 2k12. there is NO adjustment.

Are you saying that if you controlled the 98 Lakers, you wouldnt go to Shaq predominantly in the half court and if the double or trap didnt come pass it out regardless? just so you can have the feeling of a balanced offense?

I like to share the rock and spread the ball around too. but the fact that you dont have to when you have a dominant post or Iso type scorer to be successfull is a game breaker for me.

[Lyvean]

Quote: Originally Posted by FLIGHTWHITE

I guess I will never have an experience were I take "1" guy and only have him shoot and thats why I personally don't see it. I play team ball and I spread it around the whole 48 minutes. Hell its rare that any of my players even get the fire emblem because I spread it around so much. Grant it now Kobe is always pretty much POTG when its all said and done but shot attempts are spread around with Kobe of course getting the most atts. Not questioning you Nogster or anyone else who has an issue with Double Teams. I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over??? Different strokes for different folks I guess. As far as using a big man in the post when I back down Bynum/Gasol its not a automatic for me. Could be I'm not as skilled with the sticks as some but I have games where my low post game is atrocious. Maybe 2K can or is there a slider to increase Double teams and that way everyone can be at peace with this??? Now get my rosters updated 2K.

You just don't get it, do you? Come on man, it's not space science.

The A.I. should adjust its defence, like in real life, when a player is on a hot streak or when he is consistently scoring 25, 30 points. You don't HAVE to score 50 points with one player to make this problem appear. The A.I. D should be adjusting when you have scored 30 points!!! Or shouldn't we attempt to score 30 points with one player in order to play "team" basketaball?

Unbelievable what some people will do to defend the game... Unbelievable...

[Court_vision]

Quote: Originally Posted by FLIGHTWHITE

Not questioning you Nogster or anyone else who has an issue with Double Teams. I will never understand why some will take 1 player and give it to him over and over and over???

It depends almost entirely on which team you use.......if you want to use Orlando, giving it to Dwight and then kicking out when the doubles come is a large part of their real strategy. The doubles not coming in 2K really limits using them.

If you use the Cavs.....it's not really a problem.