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FIFA 12 Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3, PC)

06:29 AM - September 13, 2011 by Steve_OS

The FIFA Soccer 12 demo is available now for PS3 and 360. If you are looking for the PC demo, click the following link.

http://static.cdn.ea.com/fifa/u/f/fi...install_eu.zip

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# 261 elprez98 @ 09/19/11 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rckabillyRaider


	I have resorted to dumbing down to semi-pro (from world class on fifa 11) and will be using legacy defending,* because tactical defending is just too gimicky, IMO.*

Do you seriously call tactical defending gimmicky? Its actually one of the best updates to the game in a while.

# 262 EvanRG @ 09/19/11 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Peji911


	I cant believe people are saying that this game doesnt feel like true soccer. Are these simply soccer fans or actual players in real life? This game is spectacular. It's only 3 mins and only has 6 teams, but each team plays so different it's not funny. Tactical defending is amazing. Is it different, yup, but in a good way. Before you could use the R-Stick to go shoulder to shoulder, but now you can do that, plus tug on opponent's shirts to slow them down, etc. I think the problem is most people play with automatic controls and things such as auto switching on, but believe me, if you learn to play on manual the game definitely responds better. I used to be a HUGE PES guy and even got an infraction years ago for talking down FIFA, but pes has been a joke since PES 6, imo and it pains me to say that cause i HATE EA! lol I like some things about PES, but it still feels as though the game isnt very fluid and it's hard to get the ball to go as fast as you want, to whome you want, etc.... whereas FIFA's ball has its own physics so it works sooo well, imo. I wish Seabass got fired from PES and these two games joined today and take each game's best qualities and form SUPER-SOCCER muahaha

My issue isn't the controlling -- actually, that is one things that I've always felt was done well.

It's the simple fact that Fifa as a game does not pose any real strategic soccer gameplay to me. Case and point is the "Tactical defending" in Fifa vs "Hold-Up Possession" in PES. I have yet to see the CPU in the Fifa demo pass the ball back and look for a different run or option on offense. It's the same cards played almost every time and it gets old quickly.

I love the fact that this sport has competition in the video game realm -- I just have simply found my soccer nirvana elsewhere. =)

# 263 Greene_Flash03 @ 09/19/11 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EvanRG


	My issue isn't the controlling -- actually, that is one things that I've always felt was done well. It's the simple fact that Fifa as a game does not pose any real strategic soccer gameplay to me. Case and point is the "Tactical defending" in Fifa vs "Hold-Up Possession" in PES. I have yet to see the CPU in the Fifa demo pass the ball back and look for a different run or option on offense. It's the same cards played almost every time and it gets old quickly. I love the fact that this sport has competition in the video game realm -- I just have simply found my soccer nirvana elsewhere. =)

It gets old quickly, and it becomes predictable.

# 264 rckabillyRaider @ 09/19/11 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by elprez98


	Do you seriously call tactical defending gimmicky? Its actually one of the best updates to the game in a while.

Glad you like it

. And yes seriously, I don't think it's implemented well. I like the idea but the execution is not there, IMO. With TD, if you're playing on the higher difficulties it feels as if the cpu just passes the ball around forever with your AI defenders just looking and not doing nothing about it. I'm getting used to it as I play more though. Some people like fifa more, some people like the other game more for varying reasons.

# 265 slthree @ 09/19/11 02:55 AM

Ahh yes, the old reliable: "These critics don't know the game. They must never have played" argument. Its the "gold standard" non relevant defense when someone can't understand why the game they love is not loved by others.

OK. Let's see:

College Scholarship as a soccer player, semi pro soccer player, coached the captain of the US National Women's team that won the World Cup a few years back.

Umm, does that make me qualified?

The game is the same all the time. There is no personality to it.

Not even the people who love it can defend it from a tactical point of view. Let's see how quickly the cpu can fire the ball forward to the strikers who do 100% of the scoring.

God forbid a midfielder score from distance, let alone take a shot.

And, you clearly aren't playing FIFA if you say the teams play differently. Barca does not stand out in any way as different.

Its pretty but its not soccer. 5th grade soccer maybe, where all the kids go 100% forward 100% of the time. But, big boy soccer it is not.

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Originally Posted by Peji911


	I cant believe people are saying that this game doesnt feel like true soccer. Are these simply soccer fans or actual players in real life? This game is spectacular. It's only 3 mins and only has 6 teams, but each team plays so different it's not funny. Tactical defending is amazing. Is it different, yup, but in a good way. Before you could use the R-Stick to go shoulder to shoulder, but now you can do that, plus tug on opponent's shirts to slow them down, etc. I think the problem is most people play with automatic controls and things such as auto switching on, but believe me, if you learn to play on manual the game definitely responds better. I used to be a HUGE PES guy and even got an infraction years ago for talking down FIFA, but pes has been a joke since PES 6, imo and it pains me to say that cause i HATE EA! lol I like some things about PES, but it still feels as though the game isnt very fluid and it's hard to get the ball to go as fast as you want, to whome you want, etc.... whereas FIFA's ball has its own physics so it works sooo well, imo. I wish Seabass got fired from PES and these two games joined today and take each game's best qualities and form SUPER-SOCCER muahaha

# 266 PeruvianPlaya954 @ 09/19/11 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by slthree


	Ahh yes, the old reliable: "These critics don't know the game. They must never have played" argument. Its the "gold standard" non relevant defense when someone can't understand why the game they love is not loved by others. OK. Let's see: College Scholarship as a soccer player, semi pro soccer player, coached the captain of the US National Women's team that won the World Cup a few years back. Umm, does that make me qualified? The game is the same all the time. There is no personality to it. Not even the people who love it can defend it from a tactical point of view. Let's see how quickly the cpu can fire the ball forward to the strikers who do 100% of the scoring. God forbid a midfielder score from distance, let alone take a shot. And, you clearly aren't playing FIFA if you say the teams play differently. Barca does not stand out in any way as different. Its pretty but its not soccer. 5th grade soccer maybe, where all the kids go 100% forward 100% of the time. But, big boy soccer it is not.

Agreed. Also noticed the CPU is NEVER offside and there is a major lack of fouls in the game based off the demo.

# 267 Greene_Flash03 @ 09/19/11 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PeruvianPlaya954


	Agreed. Also noticed the CPU is NEVER offside and there is a major lack of fouls in the game based off the demo.

Because they don't take chances. I don't see the CPU making lead volley passes in the middle for a score.

# 268 rckabillyRaider @ 09/19/11 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PeruvianPlaya954


	Agreed. Also noticed the CPU is NEVER offside and there is a major lack of fouls in the game based off the demo.

yeah, I was looking through the list of sliders hoping to find a foul frequency slider but there is none. I think I'm seeing like one call against the cpu every 2 games or so

# 269 JBlaze420 @ 09/19/11 10:25 AM

If it was the other way around you would complain that there are too many fouls and how its not letting you play the little time we have to play the gameplay

# 270 PeruvianPlaya954 @ 09/19/11 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JBlaze420


	If it was the other way around you would complain that there are too many fouls and how its not letting you play the little time we have to play the gameplay

Others would, but not me. I play sports games to play sims of the real life thing. This year's FIFA just doesn't do it for me. Not a bad game by any stretch, just not my cup of tea for a few reasons.

Now, are there some real soccer aficionados who prefer little to no fouls? I'm sure there are. But the majority of the complaints about 'too many fouls' in years past have come primarily from guys who don't watch or play soccer and are just a FIFA-loving gamer who wants to continue the sports free-flowing nature.

# 271 TheDutchDad @ 09/19/11 02:24 PM

I like both games for what they are, not what they aren't.

Listen, I played more PES last year than FIFA, but this year I see me doing the opposite. The reason is because I don't even get a new feels to PES this year, like I do with FIFA. PES feels really clunky to me. I get the ball and I feel like it takes so much time to make a turn and pass the ball. Football isn't like that. Especially if you watch the BPL. It's very fast paced. PES is really slowed down and sprinting with a guy feels like a jog. It just doesn't feel fluid to me as it once did.

FIFA has done a great job this year. Sure there are things to improve. PES has a ton to improve on too IMO. This whole arguing back and forth, claiming cause you're an "ex-pro" (Seriously, really dude?) that you are qualified (I understand the comment made before that) to make observations as to what is real football and what isn't real is stupid. It's always going to be subjective. If those of us, who love PES can't see the flaws it has now, and how far it's come from what is used to be, you'd see how great FIFA is now these days. I'm just having a hard time with the clunkiness of PES.

# 272 mebby @ 09/19/11 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Peji911


	I cant believe people are saying that this game doesnt feel like true soccer. Are these simply soccer fans or actual players in real life? This game is spectacular. It's only 3 mins and only has 6 teams, but each team plays so different it's not funny. Tactical defending is amazing. Is it different, yup, but in a good way. Before you could use the R-Stick to go shoulder to shoulder, but now you can do that, plus tug on opponent's shirts to slow them down, etc. I think the problem is most people play with automatic controls and things such as auto switching on, but believe me, if you learn to play on manual the game definitely responds better. I used to be a HUGE PES guy and even got an infraction years ago for talking down FIFA, but pes has been a joke since PES 6, imo and it pains me to say that cause i HATE EA! lol I like some things about PES, but it still feels as though the game isnt very fluid and it's hard to get the ball to go as fast as you want, to whome you want, etc.... whereas FIFA's ball has its own physics so it works sooo well, imo. I wish Seabass got fired from PES and these two games joined today and take each game's best qualities and form SUPER-SOCCER muahaha

Man... I couldn't agree more with you. I remember the first time I stumbled onto PES (probably back in 2000 or so) and I couldn't get off the couch. I was HOOKED. And I stayed with it for a few years but FIFA gradually started catching up. Now I find PES boring and stale and while FIFA isn't prefect I DO feel like it's been making big steps in the right direction every single year. This year, the tactical defending is awesome. Like I said before, you can't just jockey and stab anymore. You have to really play defense. I feel like many people knock the new defending because they don't like the change. But to me, the change was necessary and very well accepted.

I also play on all manual (switching, passing, crossing, through balls, shooting, etc) and I agree that the game plays completely differently this way (and I like it).

My only compaint with the game is that for whatever reason (and this happens every year for me) I'll play about 2 full seasons and then I start getting bored with it. It starts feeling repetitive. To break this monotony up I try to go online and play but all I get all arcade players that just piss me off - all they want to do is sprint straight up field as fast as possible on offense and on defense all they want to do is slide tackle with every single player. WAY annoying.

In the first year of introducing the online team play I was HOOKED. I found about 4 guys that I started playing with and we had a blast. After a while we kept running into a few other teams (if you want to use that term) that were similar to us and we had some **** matches.

But now when I try this I find a bunch of hooligans and I just get frustrated. I'm 36 - I don't have hours and hours to play each night so taht I can find a good group of guys to play with. Back in the day I could do this but I don't have the time anymore.

Wow... I just rambled quite a bit didn't it?

Anway - I still plan on buying the game on or near release day. If there are others out there that like to play like I do, hit me up on Xbox Live. My tag is MebbyExpress (or something close to that... sounds ridiculous but I can't remember exactly). I'm in Charlotte, NC and I love to play online with people that enjoy a sim experience because I get bored with manager mode and I hate all the normal online players.

# 273 Moses Shuttlesworth @ 09/19/11 03:51 PM

This game is great as far as playing human vs human. Human vs. CPU is much harder to replicate a game of real soccer.

It is FUN, it is a video game, and it caters to what MOST FIFA fans want.

# 274 EvanRG @ 09/19/11 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mebby


	Man... I couldn't agree more with you. I remember the first time I stumbled onto PES (probably back in 2000 or so) and I couldn't get off the couch. I was HOOKED. And I stayed with it for a few years but FIFA gradually started catching up. Now I find PES boring and stale and while FIFA isn't prefect I DO feel like it's been making big steps in the right direction every single year. This year, the tactical defending is awesome. Like I said before, you can't just jockey and stab anymore. You have to really play defense. I feel like many people knock the new defending because they don't like the change. But to me, the change was necessary and very well accepted. I also play on all manual (switching, passing, crossing, through balls, shooting, etc) and I agree that the game plays completely differently this way (and I like it). My only compaint with the game is that for whatever reason (and this happens every year for me) I'll play about 2 full seasons and then I start getting bored with it. It starts feeling repetitive. To break this monotony up I try to go online and play but all I get all arcade players that just piss me off - all they want to do is sprint straight up field as fast as possible on offense and on defense all they want to do is slide tackle with every single player. WAY annoying. In the first year of introducing the online team play I was HOOKED. I found about 4 guys that I started playing with and we had a blast. After a while we kept running into a few other teams (if you want to use that term) that were similar to us and we had some **** matches. But now when I try this I find a bunch of hooligans and I just get frustrated. I'm 36 - I don't have hours and hours to play each night so taht I can find a good group of guys to play with. Back in the day I could do this but I don't have the time anymore. Wow... I just rambled quite a bit didn't it? Anway - I still plan on buying the game on or near release day. If there are others out there that like to play like I do, hit me up on Xbox Live. My tag is MebbyExpress (or something close to that... sounds ridiculous but I can't remember exactly). I'm in Charlotte, NC and I love to play online with people that enjoy a sim experience because I get bored with manager mode and I hate all the normal online players.

The bolded text is what my point was. Fifa still does a lot of things right, it just doesn't give me enough variety and feels scripted at times -- that's why I moved on.

# 275 slthree @ 09/19/11 04:22 PM

That's exactly what I was thinking Moses.

Human v Human it seems like it would be a blast.

But, there are complaints that, even in that mode, the ai guys you're not controlling don't play smart soccer, making runs into space and such.

I'd like to hear from those who play this way to get more info on it.

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Originally Posted by Moses Shuttlesworth


	This game is great as far as playing human vs human. Human vs. CPU is much harder to replicate a game of real soccer. It is FUN, it is a video game, and it caters to what MOST FIFA fans want.

# 276 Moses Shuttlesworth @ 09/19/11 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by slthree


	That's exactly what I was thinking Moses. Human v Human it seems like it would be a blast. But, there are complaints that, even in that mode, the ai guys you're not controlling don't play smart soccer, making runs into space and such. I'd like to hear from those who play this way to get more info on it.

I completely understand what you're saying, as often times I'll find one of my AI teammates making the complete opposite run I'd like him to (FIFA 11). I think the FIFA 12 demo has improved this aspect of the game, and it seems that the AI has increased intelligence in this regard. However, I have not logged enough time to comment much further on the AI.

# 277 Peji911 @ 09/19/11 04:36 PM

It's a defemce mechanism, eh? When you play a sport you simple understand things that the every day person, who simply watches it from the couch doesnt. Many people here are claiming that there is no feel... yet to me, Barca plays like barca -- numerous passes, using the lines, inside out, etc... no other team in the demo plays like that. So if you play holding the speed button all the time, or if Xavi gets the balls you run up to him, he passes it to Iniesta so you run up to him, etc... well, no, then Barca wont play like Barca.

I have never played hockey so in NHL i say i dont like certain things, but friends of mine tell me why certain things happen, and how to adjust, and voila, the game improved dramatically.

So no, it's not an excuse, it's the truth. I dont care if you've played soccer all your life because if you've played it poorly, then what does that matter? This game is too short to judge, but in the 3 minutes we get it represents the game of football much better than PES, where passes and shots seem pre-determined.

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Originally Posted by slthree


	Ahh yes, the old reliable: "These critics don't know the game. They must never have played" argument. Its the "gold standard" non relevant defense when someone can't understand why the game they love is not loved by others. OK. Let's see: College Scholarship as a soccer player, semi pro soccer player, coached the captain of the US National Women's team that won the World Cup a few years back. Umm, does that make me qualified? The game is the same all the time. There is no personality to it. Not even the people who love it can defend it from a tactical point of view. Let's see how quickly the cpu can fire the ball forward to the strikers who do 100% of the scoring. God forbid a midfielder score from distance, let alone take a shot. And, you clearly aren't playing FIFA if you say the teams play differently. Barca does not stand out in any way as different. Its pretty but its not soccer. 5th grade soccer maybe, where all the kids go 100% forward 100% of the time. But, big boy soccer it is not.

# 278 BrianFifaFan @ 09/19/11 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by slthree


	For those who are loving the game and raving about it... How can you say that? The CPU won't shoot from distance with players who should shoot from distance. The CPU doesn't play the ball backwards to slow things down and attempt to probe. Every team plays the same way. I want Barca to make me crazy with numerous passes in the midfield, to include many that go backwards. But, they play no differently than any other team. Its pretty, yes. But, its not soccer.

I tend to agree with you about the A.I.'s shortcomings. I would love to see the CPU set me up in a one on one with Ronaldo and go into some tricks or have Messi and Barca slash my D around the box. But I have come to love Fifa and accept this fact: Fifa is an offensive minded game. It's not nearly as strategic as PES, but it is fun. I really enjoy it for what I can do. Be it building up and disecting the D with a through-ball, or getting my sticks twirling to set up a highlight goal. I don't think a lot of Fifa fans are much different than me. Serious Fifa players like playing other human opponents.

I have always loved it because I think it stirkes the perfect balance of the "wow" moments of soccer. It could be better in regards to build up and probing, but we are talking about a game that most people play in two 10-minutes halves. You can't really have a slow pace to the game, or it'll be a whole lot of draws. And the cottage industry of Fifa Highlight reels will die.

All jokes aside, I love both games, but Fifa will always be my fave. I like the controls, the graphics (especially this year on PC) and the level of tricks they've added. Sure it's got a bit of Fifa Street in it's heart. But it's a great soccer videogame to me. Warts and all....

P.S. Wait for the CEP guys to get a hold of the PC version. A lot of the flaws will get addressed. They can tweak the gameplay through the .ini files to fix a lot of the niggles, especially the Defensive pressure by AI teamates. But probably not the inherent nature of this being a run and gun style of game. I can't see this game ever being programmed that way . It sells pretty good with the current style of soccer it plays....

# 279 Qb @ 09/19/11 05:00 PM

Why are we still doing the FIFA/PES debate in this thread?

# 280 TheDutchDad @ 09/19/11 05:03 PM

It's nearly impossible to talk FIFA/PEs without comparing the two.

Here's a thought, and it's not meant to be a jab in any way, but if you guys hate when people talk FIFA/PES in same thread, why not create a thread for us to do so?

Give us a place to talk about what we want without getting the ban hammer for something trivial.

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