NBA Elite 11 News Post

CONFIRMED: NBA Elite 11 Delayed until 2011

07:23 PM - September 27, 2010 by RaychelSnr

Peter Moore just confirmed NBA Elite 11's delay on his blog:

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	Over the past three years, EA SPORTS development teams have had a laser focus on creating titles packed with innovation and unsurpassed quality. The acclaim from fans and critics on most of our titles the past few years makes us proud and it also motivates us to keep getting better. This year, we set extremely ambitious goals for our new franchise, NBA ELITE. We are creating a game that will introduce several breakthrough features that have been missing from the basketball genre. Unfortunately, NBA ELITE 11 is not yet ready and we have made a decision to delay next month�s launch. We are going to keep working until we�re certain we can deliver a breakthrough basketball experience.

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# 321 yungflo @ 09/28/10 12:12 AM

so is jam set to release alone?

# 322 rEAnimator @ 09/28/10 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by yungflo


	so is jam set to release alone?

Yes it is.

# 323 aholbert32 @ 09/28/10 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ehh


	Damn in my seven and a half years on OS I have never seen the mods & super-mods get into it with devs like this lol. Nothing being held back.

I'm not trying to make this uncomfortable for devs at all. OS is very dev-friendly and I think I've been respectful. With that said, I'm not going to hold my tongue when I think something is BS.

What's disappointing for me is the entire process we've been through with Elite. 2 months ago, 23 and other people came online after previewing the game and gave fair but negative reviews of the version they played. The videos looked bad too. All we heard from EA was "that was an older version of the game" and "wait until u play the demo before you judge it".

So we did. The demo came out and it had numerous glitches and appeared to be a big step back from Live. So what did we hear "The game is great User v. User" and "a patch will fix most problems". A week later the game is delayed for at least 4 mos because its according to Peter Moore "lacks gameplay polish". My question is what version of the game were the EA employees who raved about this game playing?

I've kept my mouth shut for months about this but today's announcement and subsequent thank yous to EA caused me to speak up. What gets me is that you and I know that if the backlash was just a little bit less, EA would have released the game. In my decade of being at EA, I've never seen a major release demo get this much negative attention. There was 1 positive impression for every 20 negative one.

My point is it took a unprecedented backlash to cause them to delay it and based on the way they promoted and hyped the game before and after the demo, I dont trust that EA would have pulled the game if they werent guaranteed to take a huge loss.

# 324 parkinson @ 09/28/10 12:17 AM

I like Elite's direction. It's much better than Live 10. It gives you freedom and unpredictability for gameplay. Devs, keep doing your job to reach your final goal.

# 325 segarr @ 09/28/10 12:18 AM

Never thought I would see the day where EA made a game so bad they were too embarrassed to release it. You just DON'T SEE games that are gold, discs pressed and packaged, on the way to retailers to be sold just be "delayed"(yeah right, it's cancelled) like this!

Now I'm worried that EA will just say "F it, we just can't make a better basketball game than 2K, these silly gimmicks with "physics" that don't add anything and the most convoluted control scheme seen in a game since the early survival horrors, lets do anything we can to get the exclusive NBA license. Just like the NFL(and yeah, I know there's debate over who is more at fault for the fiasco of their exclusivity, the NFL or EA for taking their offer).

Either way, I don't have much sympathy for EA; I feel bad for the devs who worked months(years?) to make this just to have it pulled a week before release but that's it.

# 326 yungflo @ 09/28/10 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rEAnimator


	Yes it is.

Thanks rEA

Question for you rEAnimator. So is Elite 11 Canceled? Or Will it be released early next year? Say around January? The article wasn't very clear.

# 327 pdawg17 @ 09/28/10 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aholbert32


	I'm not trying to make this uncomfortable for devs at all. OS is very dev-friendly and I think I've been respectful. With that said, I'm not going to hold my tongue when I think something is BS. What's disappointing for me is the entire process we've been through with Elite. 2 months ago, 23 and other people came online after previewing the game and gave fair but negative reviews of the version they played. The videos looked bad too. All we heard from EA was "that was an older version of the game" and "wait until u play the demo before you judge it". So we did. The demo came out and it had numerous glitches and appeared to be a big step back from Live. So what did we hear "The game is great User v. User" and "a patch will fix most problems". A week later the game is delayed for at least 4 mos because its according to Peter Moore "lacks gameplay polish". My question is what version of the game were the EA employees who raved about this game playing? I've kept my mouth shut for months about this but today's announcement and subsequent thank yous to EA caused me to speak up. What gets me is that you and I know that if the backlash was just a little bit less, EA would have released the game. In my decade of being at EA, I've never seen a major release demo get this much negative attention. There was 1 positive impression for every 20 negative one. My point is it took a unprecedented backlash to cause them to delay it and based on the way they promoted and hyped the game before and after the demo, I dont trust that EA would have pulled the game if they werent guaranteed to take a huge loss.

I'm not saying I disagree with you but........

Are you saying that they should not have hyped the game? Or that when people said the videos looked bad that they should have said "you're right - our game does suck"...I'm not quite sure what you think they should have done or said differently...I can't say for sure but I do not think the devs here are the ones that demanded that Live 10 be scrapped and to start from scratch...I would think that came from higher up...

And I don't remember reading that anyone from EA said the patch would fix most things...and btw is it possible that the devs actually BELIEVE Elite 11 is a great game and therefore when they mentioned positive things about the game that they really meant it rather than - like you think - they were trying to dupe you?

# 328 rEAnimator @ 09/28/10 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aholbert32


	I'm not trying to make this uncomfortable for devs at all. OS is very dev-friendly and I think I've been respectful. With that said, I'm not going to hold my tongue when I think something is BS. What's disappointing for me is the entire process we've been through with Elite. 2 months ago, 23 and other people came online after previewing the game and gave fair but negative reviews of the version they played. The videos looked bad too. All we heard from EA was "that was an older version of the game" and "wait until u play the demo before you judge it". So we did. The demo came out and it had numerous glitches and appeared to be a big step back from Live. So what did we hear "The game is great User v. User" and "a patch will fix most problems". A week later the game is delayed for at least 4 mos because its according to Peter Moore "lacks gameplay polish". My question is what version of the game were the EA employees who raved about this game playing? I've kept my mouth shut for months about this but today's announcement and subsequent thank yous to EA caused me to speak up. What gets me is that you and I know that if the backlash was just a little bit less, EA would have released the game. In my decade of being at EA, I've never seen a major release demo get this much negative attention. There was 1 positive impression for every 20 negative one. My point is it took a unprecedented backlash to cause them to delay it and based on the way they promoted and hyped the game before and after the demo, I dont trust that EA would have pulled the game if they werent guaranteed to take a huge loss.

I was quite clear on my first post in the impressions thread that the demo represented the final build and there was no reason not to pass judgment on the demo except for 3 very specific things we had fixed in the retail version.

No one said "wait for" anything after the demo was released. No one said the patch will fix most the problem. No one from EA anyway. You just made that up now. We weren't trying to fool you.

We genuinely like the game and are going to be working hard to address the concerns people have brought up.

This has been a tough day, I think I need to step away for a bit...

# 329 Wiffyjustus @ 09/28/10 12:25 AM

Well done EA.

I think you have handled a tough situation in the best way possible.

Much respect has been earned.

Respect has always been there for the EA guys who are on the forums. rEAnimator and such. Being here, sticking it out during such a tough period. Those are the kind of players I would want on my team.

# 330 yungflo @ 09/28/10 12:30 AM

is graphics going to be revamped? whats going to be worked on the game? please bring some sig packages!

# 331 ahorton100 @ 09/28/10 12:31 AM

I wanted to get this game on Tuesday........Hopefully, EA is going to blow us away in 2011 when the game is released.

# 332 HoosierDaddy @ 09/28/10 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rEAnimator


	I was quite clear on my first post in the impressions thread that the demo represented the final build and there was no reason not to pass judgment on the demo except for 3 very specific things we had fixed in the retail version. No one said "wait for" anything after the demo was released. No one said the patch will fix most the problem. No one from EA anyway. You just made that up now. We weren't trying to fool you. We genuinely like the game and are going to be working hard to address the concerns people have brought up. This has been a tough day, I think I need to step away for a bit...

Geoff and Fraser, thanks for everything that you're both doing. Much respect for your commitment!

# 333 2PlusTheFoul @ 09/28/10 12:33 AM

From an old EA fan dying to see EA go back to the top, this is news I was hoping for. Let's just hope it all works out. Everything was sounding good until the demo came out.

# 334 VDusen04 @ 09/28/10 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pdawg17


	I'm not saying I disagree with you but........ Are you saying that they should not have hyped the game? Or that when people said the videos looked bad that they should have said "you're right - our game does suck"...I'm not quite sure what you think they should have done or said differently...I can't say for sure but I do not think the devs here are the ones that demanded that Live 10 be scrapped and to start from scratch...I would think that came from higher up... And I don't remember reading that anyone from EA said the patch would fix most things...

You know, Pdawg, I think I agree with you here. I've had the feeling through this whole "OS Elite Debacle 2010" that the people directly involved in creating the game (Reanimator, others) have said about as much as they should, considering this game is the way they make money to survive. They were pretty honest. If I were interested in keeping my job, I'd be up front, but in a protected, positive, and optimistic manner, as they seemed to be. I don't think there's any way that a developer, no matter how up front he wanted to be, could come out and say something like, "Guys, in all honesty, I couldn't in good faith recommend this game to you, but please go buy it anyway."

Who's to say how all this stuff really broke down, but to me, it feels like this was a group of guys who decided to attempt to revolutionize the NBA video game market, tried their best, came up very short, tried to make the best of the situation at hand, and then suffered a giant step back and dissapointment in being delayed.

I'd surely stop short of saying, "Well done EA!" but I do believe a delay is the right move. I have to believe this is tough news to take for anyone involved in the creation of that game though.

# 335 ahorton100 @ 09/28/10 12:34 AM

Believe it or not.......I do not like 2K video games........really liked the new EA controls.

# 336 aholbert32 @ 09/28/10 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rEAnimator


	I was quite clear on my first post in the impressions thread that the demo represented the final build and there was no reason not to pass judgment on the demo except for 3 very specific things we had fixed in the retail version. No one said "wait for" anything after the demo was released. No one said the patch will fix most the problem. No one from EA anyway. You just made that up now. We weren't trying to fool you. We genuinely like the game and are going to be working hard to address the concerns people have brought up. This has been a tough day, I think I need to step away for a bit...

I recognize that this has definitely been a tough day for you. I'm not going to go point by point with you and I'm not even trying to argue. I wont be misquoted though. I never said that any EA dev said "wait" after the demo was released. I said EA told us to "wait until we play the demo before passing judgment". After the demo was release came the patch discussion. I didnt make anything up and have no reason to.

This isnt meant to be an attack on you and please dont take it this way. I'm just dissapointed at everything that lead up to today's decision.

# 337 da ThRONe @ 09/28/10 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by parkinson


	I like Elite's direction. It's much better than Live 10. It gives you freedom and unpredictability for gameplay. Devs, keep doing your job to reach your final goal.

I agree with this. Problem is I as a consumer feel like they just tried to sell me a product that wasnt the "final goal". I have been saying I loved the demo as a base game ,but it wasnt anywhere near close to being gold. And if the negative outlook hadnt been ridiculously obvious they would have gone gold with it anyways.

I dont think you have this kind of delay unless the issues are undeniable and not once even after the bad impression of the demo did any of the devs. even hint at a delay. Where is the trust? Which is a shame because like I said earlier in this thread rEAnimator has been one of the most candid devs. I have seen on OS.

# 338 welcome2jungle @ 09/28/10 12:40 AM

i been a ea sports fan since i started playing video games.. nba live all day madden all day. i have to admit nba live 10 show me some good things i excited for 11.. then i heard bout the name change to elite i was heated.. Why why why??/ people like me been playing nba live since we was young why change the name of that series.. That decision there was whack off top. Kevin Durant on cover was whack. Should of had someone from boston celtics on cover or sumbody from miami heat if you wasnt go pick someone from lakers. Then no new ncaa basketball and i like ncaa basketball 10. Madden 11 not feelin it. Ea need to step it up and step it up quickly. Cause if 2k gets a hold of that nfl license its over for madden for sure.

# 339 pdawg17 @ 09/28/10 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by aholbert32


	I recognize that this has definitely been a tough day for you. I'm not going to go point by point with you and I'm not even trying to argue. I wont be misquoted though. I never said that any EA dev said "wait" after the demo was released. I said EA told us to "wait until we play the demo before passing judgment". After the demo was release came the patch discussion. I didnt make anything up and have no reason to. This isnt meant to be an attack on you and please dont take it this way. I'm just dissapointed at everything that lead up to today's decision.

You know what though? They were right for me...I was VERY disappointed when I saw the early videos...they told me to wait until the demo to pass judgment so I did and guess what? I thought the demo was a lot of fun once I learned the controls...so did they lie to you somehow? They didn't lie to me...

# 340 noshun @ 09/28/10 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by aholbert32


	I'm not trying to make this uncomfortable for devs at all. OS is very dev-friendly and I think I've been respectful. With that said, I'm not going to hold my tongue when I think something is BS. What's disappointing for me is the entire process we've been through with Elite. 2 months ago, 23 and other people came online after previewing the game and gave fair but negative reviews of the version they played. The videos looked bad too. All we heard from EA was "that was an older version of the game" and "wait until u play the demo before you judge it". So we did. The demo came out and it had numerous glitches and appeared to be a big step back from Live. So what did we hear "The game is great User v. User" and "a patch will fix most problems". A week later the game is delayed for at least 4 mos because its according to Peter Moore "lacks gameplay polish". My question is what version of the game were the EA employees who raved about this game playing? I've kept my mouth shut for months about this but today's announcement and subsequent thank yous to EA caused me to speak up. What gets me is that you and I know that if the backlash was just a little bit less, EA would have released the game. In my decade of being at EA, I've never seen a major release demo get this much negative attention. There was 1 positive impression for every 20 negative one. My point is it took a unprecedented backlash to cause them to delay it and based on the way they promoted and hyped the game before and after the demo, I dont trust that EA would have pulled the game if they werent guaranteed to take a huge loss.

Excellent, excellent post...

I agree with everything you wrote here.

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