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NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

12:12 PM - August 29, 2010 by Steve_OS

OS'ers jtdribbles25, 23 and Jano have posted their impressions of NBA Elite 11, from their hands-on time with the game at the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event.

23 has posted a ton of video from the game on his Youtube channel. I just wanted to gather all of the videos together on one page, to make it easier to find and view.

We appreciate all the work 23, as well as the impressions, all 3 of you have given us.

To view the rest of them (17 in total), head over to 23's Youtube Channel, right here.

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# 341 mlp111 @ 08/31/10 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rEAnimator


	We're a sim game, but we allow users to attempt moves that the player they are controlling wouldn't normally attempt because part of the simulation we offer is giving you complete control over that one player while the AI controls the rest of them in an attempt to mimic their real life tendencies and behaviors. In every sim basketball game ever made you could attempt a three pointer with shaq every time up the court if you wanted to (at least as far as I know). That doesn't make the game any less sim, it just means the player isn't playing in a realistic maner. We've extended the control you are used to with three pointer's to all dribble moves, shots, steals, alley oops...pretty much everything you can do in basketball. Same rules as the three pointer, just applied to all aspects of the game. I agree with your previous points about not being able to succeed where the real life player couldn't (ie the boozer dunk). But having he ability to attempt the move and fail has been a staple in all sim games with shooting. So why would it be any different for the other user controlled actions? I think it's fair to disagree with our choice of controls, but I don't think it's fair to say we are not a sim game because of those choices.

any news on the 5-on-5 gameplay that you guys are releasing, cause you guys aren't really saying anything, on twitter, facebook, etc haven't heard or updated anything

nba elite 11???????

# 342 HoosierDaddy @ 08/31/10 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe


	I tried to make this point earlier about heaving 80ft shots everytime you in bound the ball. Not very realistic but you could very well do it every possession in every basketball game. Should you not be able to shoot until you pass half-court?

That's a totally different argument, IMO. Users who choose to do that, can do so. Users who choose to dribble with Shaq as a PG and try to crossover should be penalized and have a risk/reward type system. Users who try to dunk with Fisher, a dunk shouldn't even be an option. Signature layup package, tear-drop or floaters from a further distance, or a jumpshot from even further out. Why complicate things with shots that a player doesn't attempt? It shouldn't even be an option.

I'm familiar enough with the controls to not try moves like this. My point is, users (like the ones in the videos) don't know any better and make the game look bad. Playing against someone user vs user and having the ability to do such moves/shots makes it feel unrealistic. Why not cut your losses and sacrifice that "control" for realism? That's been the problem with the Live series for years, how many times a game do you think to yourself or say, "yeah right, so and so can't do that"

# 343 Live_4real @ 08/31/10 07:19 PM

Let�s be more clear, because this is not a easy problem....

BY NO MEANS should the AI try to dunk with Nash, or dribble with Bynum, etc, etc, the CPU AI should play sim ball all the time, and tendencies meaning something, so they will play like the real Nash and the real Bynum.....

Now that we understand this part, let�s talk about user control....

By giving the ability to ATTEMPT a dunk from the FT line with Boozer, we would see guys getting blocked by the rim or adjusting mid-air, because Boozer can�t do that in real life

But people ask, but do you see people missing so many dunks in the real NBA???

The answer is no, because each player KNOWS his ability, and when they think they can do what they can�t, player ether fail or adjusts

Because you are not the player, you re simply controlling him, you should (if you have time/love the sport) know what a player can and can�t do, meaning that some people would love this game because they understand b-ball, and other will hate it, because they don�t know why cant Boozer do what LBJ does in the game

This "problem" can be resumed in 1 question:

Does EA want user to TOTALLY use players skill and lack of skill, meaning that it could create beauty moments when I am playing with a scrub, thinking he is LBJ, and failing hard

or

Does EA want to limit the user control, meaning that the user probability of doing something stupid would decrease, meaning that it would take less skill/NBA knowledge to be decent at the game, also meaning that it would be impossible to see videos like we saw a couple of days ago, because it would be a much more user friendly game?

I think EA will go with the 2nd option, because people will complain that the game is too difficult, others will say that they can�t play online because they constantly see gamers doing stupid stuff or noobs, unfortunately FOR ME, but I understand that they have to control gamers, even more now that the 2 player animations are out....

(attention people, we are talking about trying to do things players can�t/or simply don�t in real life, but NOT being efficient, meaning that if you do these things you will be punished, this would give even more responsibility to the gamer, but of course the ratings should be simply perfect, and unfortunately in these last years we saw some bad bad ratings in live games, but it is difficult to nail them because players change quickly so...)

PeAcE

# 344 Rocboyz101 @ 08/31/10 07:22 PM

Its still funny that this is an argument. By this logic, alot of you guys would be fine with being able to attempt to dunk from the 3 pt line. Some stuff just shouldn't be in the game.

# 345 fatleg3 @ 08/31/10 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierDaddy


	I guess my point is, I want my basketball game to reflect what I see each night during the NBA season. I spent days editing sliders for both Live and 2K, adjusting vertical ratings and dunking ability to reflect what happens in real-life. I get that the control provides users the ability to do something different. I also think that sacrifices the realism of the sport.

The point of a sports video game to me is doing anything you want to do as long as it fits within a players boundaries. If the only things that you were allowed to do in the game was things you see players do irl then everything would be canned animations. You would have absolute no control. You might as well let the computer play for you.

sports games gives users the chance to take control of a team and do what they what to do. That is why its a game.

But i understand what you are trying to get at. I hate to see cheesers doing things online then get rewarded for it with points or a win. There needs to be more penalties when it comes to that and i dont mean disconnections, bans, etc. But things like missed shots, turnovers, losses, fatigued, etc.

# 346 erickonasis @ 08/31/10 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocboyz101


	Its still funny that this is an argument. By this logic, alot of you guys would be fine with being able to attempt to dunk from the 3 pt line. Some stuff just shouldn't be in the game.

Exactly...according to them...oh but thats TOTAL CONTROL...its just stupid that someone would get excited over being able to have the control to do impossible things....

# 347 Rocboyz101 @ 08/31/10 07:32 PM

And someone attempting a dunk in traffic from the free throw line, or steve nash attempting to tomahawk dunk shouldn't even be possible. How corny would it be if you drive and you mean to do a hard layup with nash...and the sucker trys to dunk it? Again, somethings just shouldn't be allowed. This an example of where total control can cause a bit of chaos.

# 348 HoosierDaddy @ 08/31/10 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fatleg3


	The point of a sports video game to me is doing anything you want to do as long as it fits within a players boundaries. If the only things that you were allowed to do in the game was things you see players do irl then everything would be canned animations. You would have absolute no control. You might as well let the computer play for you. sports games gives users the chance to take control of a team and do what they what to do. That is why its a game. But i understand what you are trying to get at. I hate to see cheesers doing things online then get rewarded for it with points or a win. There needs to be more penalties when it comes to that and i dont mean disconnections, bans, etc. But things like missed shots, turnovers, losses, fatigued, etc.

It's basically the same thing. Anything you see a player do in real life and play within their boundaries. About the same. The control comes when you choose what play to run, who to run it for, and execute that play. Control your favorite player or team and imitate what you see in real life. Have realistic rules and stats and not seeing unrealistic moves or absurd stats. I guess I'm just a sim-head and want as authentic experience as I can get.

# 349 erickonasis @ 08/31/10 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ajknows


	What is it you are not understanding? No one wants the players to have the ability to dunk from the 3 point line, just the option to if your heart desires.

Thats what im talking about YOUR not understanding ...what fun do you get out of being able to have the option for Shaq to do a 360 dunk? Pretty ridiculous if you ask me that is NOT sim. In other words your want to encourage someone to use this type of play by giving them the option

# 350 Rocboyz101 @ 08/31/10 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ajknows


	Every player in the nba can attempt a dunk from the 3 point line can they do it and be successful...no, same way with the game.

LMAO. So you wouldn't mind an ugly animation of a player attempting to dunk from the 3pt line and throwing up some dumb shot rather than it being an automatic jumpshot eh?

# 351 erickonasis @ 08/31/10 07:51 PM

[quote=Rocboyz101;2041540358]

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Originally Posted by ajknows


	Every player in the nba can attempt a dunk from the 3 point line can they do it and be successful...no, same way with the game. N/quote] LMAO. So you wouldn't mind an ugly animation of a player attempting to dunk from the 3pt line and throwing up some ******** shot rather than it being an automatic jumpshot eh?

Thats what im tryng to say ..what on gods green earth kinda enjoyment do you get seeing something like that in Game...Every player should not have every players Moveset thats just utter nonsense

# 352 Jano @ 08/31/10 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by erickonasis


	Thats what im talking about YOUR not understanding ...what fun do you get out of being able to have the option for Shaq to do a 360 dunk? Pretty ridiculous if you ask me that is NOT sim. In other words your want to encourage someone to use this type of play by giving them the option

I don't think you can control exactly what dunk you can do so that's probably not even an issue.

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Originally Posted by Rocboyz101


	LMAO. So you wouldn't mind an ugly animation of a player attempting to dunk from the 3pt line and throwing up some dumb shot rather than it being an automatic jumpshot eh?

That's up to the user if they want to see that. Maybe some 3 year would want to see what happens if you try to dunk from the 3pt line lol!

But dunking from the 3pt point line wasn't even an option anyway when I played, all that will happen is you either shoot a regular jumpshot or maybe a leaner.

# 353 Rocboyz101 @ 08/31/10 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jano


	I don't think you can control exactly what dunk you can do so that's probably not even an issue. That's up to the user if they want to see that. Maybe some 3 year would want to see what happens if you try to dunk from the 3pt line lol! But dunking from the 3pt point line wasn't even an option anyway when I played, all that will happen is you either shoot a regular jumpshot or maybe a leaner.

Just trying to get an idea where people minds are on this topic..kinda weird that people wouldn't mind seeing that to me. I'd personally wanna throw up if I saw that animation but that's just me.

# 354 RayDog253 @ 08/31/10 08:02 PM

I say nobody is wrong in this argument. I agree that you should have control of every little thing. But there should be different animations for those who cant do it or don't do it as good.

But I also agree that just cause you have full control doesn't mean players should be jumping from the three point line trying to attempt something that is impossible even in a video game. If you try to dunk from out there, it should just be a regular jumper or a runner of some sort.

Now let's just wait for the demo.

# 355 Jano @ 08/31/10 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocboyz101


	Just trying to get an idea where people minds are on this topic..kinda weird that people wouldn't mind seeing that to me. I'd personally wanna throw up if I saw that animation but that's just me.

Trust me so would I and that's why I'm happy its not even possible to trigger a dunk animation from that far out.

# 356 fatleg3 @ 08/31/10 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by erickonasis


	Exactly...according to them...oh but thats TOTAL CONTROL...its just stupid that someone would get excited over being able to have the control to do impossible things....

Nobody is getting excited about being able to do things like what this argument is over. Everyone says that if you try and do things like that then you should fail. And the argument is that you should have to control to try and do things. Nobody said they what to do do things or impossible things.

On the dunking subject either way is good for me. If they let you try and do stupid things when it comes to that then it will make people think about what they do. if they switch to a layup animation or whatever then it will make the game looks better

# 357 erickonasis @ 08/31/10 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fatleg3


	Nobody is getting excited about being able to do things like what this argument is over. Everyone says that if you try and do things like that then you should fail. And the argument is that you should have to control to try and do things. Nobody said they what to do do things or impossible things. On the dunking subject either way is good for me. If they let you try and do stupid things when it comes to that then it will make people think about what they do. if they switch to a layup animation or whatever then it will make the game looks better

so basically everyone should have everyones moveset except some should fail at doing it...pretty ridiculous if you ask me...No moveset is exclusive to that player even tho hes the only one that ever does it smh

# 358 erickonasis @ 08/31/10 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ajknows


	So people will be discouraged not encouraged to try such an crazy attempt.

if its not in there for that persons move set they wont attempt it anyway

# 359 fatleg3 @ 08/31/10 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocboyz101


	Just trying to get an idea where people minds are on this topic..kinda weird that people wouldn't mind seeing that to me. I'd personally wanna throw up if I saw that animation but that's just me.

Once again everyone who is for that has not said that they want to see people trying to dunk from the free throw line. And how do you know what that animation would look like.

And with that being allowed then maybe that will stop people from starting to try and dunk and layup from just inside the three point line. If you remember on live 10 you could start that animation from just inside the 3pt line but the player wouldnt takeoff until they were closer to the basket and a lot of times it was impossible to stop that. Maybe that will be different with elite and the new things.

# 360 erickonasis @ 08/31/10 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fatleg3


	Once again everyone who is for that has not said that they want to see people trying to dunk from the free throw line. And how do you know what that animation would look like. And with that being allowed then maybe that will stop people from starting to try and dunk and layup from just inside the three point line. If you remember on live 10 you could start that animation from just inside the 3pt line but the player wouldnt takeoff until they were closer to the basket and a lot of times it was impossible to stop that. Maybe that will be different with elite and the new things.

Dont Put it in there...Problem solved....why would you want the option to do something that wont work anyway? what is the excitement in seeing those animations i will never know.

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