06:45 AM - August 20, 2009 by VeryEvilAsh
The NHL 10 demo is available for the Xbox 360. Post your impressions here. The PS3 demo will be available next week.
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06:45 AM - August 20, 2009 by VeryEvilAshNHL 10 Videos
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Ah. Ok.
# 424
Redshirt_EA @ 08/27/09 10:51 PM
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Well, aside from my complete lack of scoring (save empty nets goals), I've really grown to love this demo after an initial lukewarm reaction.
Loving the board play. Really allows you to dump and chase and then win battles in the corners to retain possession. I like how the passing mechanics have been tweaked. I still play 08 so it took me a while to adjust to not having every pass hit the tape of the skater I was passing to. I like that passes miss the target now.
Scoring is going to be tough against the CPU for me, it looks like. I've thrown shots up from all over but no goals. I have very limited stick skills so I rely on cycling the puck and getting garbage rebound goals. Definitely a big transition from 08 where you could fire wristers from the slot and score a good percentage of the time.
The more I play, the more I'm looking forward to the game's release.
Loving the board play. Really allows you to dump and chase and then win battles in the corners to retain possession. I like how the passing mechanics have been tweaked. I still play 08 so it took me a while to adjust to not having every pass hit the tape of the skater I was passing to. I like that passes miss the target now.
Scoring is going to be tough against the CPU for me, it looks like. I've thrown shots up from all over but no goals. I have very limited stick skills so I rely on cycling the puck and getting garbage rebound goals. Definitely a big transition from 08 where you could fire wristers from the slot and score a good percentage of the time.
The more I play, the more I'm looking forward to the game's release.
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I'm hoping one day I can consider my stick skills as "limited" Rather than what they are now...which is, well...I can't use words like that here on OS.
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infinityBCRT @ 08/28/09 02:34 AM
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A better animation system would be able to take in assigned an vector/amplitude for each skate stride and it would be able to figure out which way a player should be able to move and which way they shouldn't be able to move. That way you don't get certain animations totally changing the momentum of the player unrealistically. Also, a better animation system would allow you to animate the legs independently from the torso so you could have a player skating while pokechecking/blocking passing lanes. It'd also allow other neat things like the ability for players to lose their sticks.
Fix the guy out of the penalty box "glitch" please!! You know when a Dman is coming out of the box, is playing wing and even when you manually change lines they are like stuck out there until a stop in play...
I don't see this mentioned ever.. maybe I am doing something to cause it.. but I will like go behind the net in my zone and change lines and the guy out of the box just stands there... while the rest of the team changes lines lol.. and its not like its back and forth rush hockey where there is no time to change...
Otherwise 3peat for sports game of the year coming up it seems ^.^
I don't see this mentioned ever.. maybe I am doing something to cause it.. but I will like go behind the net in my zone and change lines and the guy out of the box just stands there... while the rest of the team changes lines lol.. and its not like its back and forth rush hockey where there is no time to change...
Otherwise 3peat for sports game of the year coming up it seems ^.^
# 429
Redshirt_EA @ 08/28/09 04:04 AM
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Can you think of the downside of the animation solution you propose (and what it would take to overcome it)? It could (and someday will) be done, but it isn't so simple as you make it sound.
Finally got to play the demo tonight(Silver user), excellent so far.
'09 was my favorite game ever, can already tell '10 will replace it. Board play is an excellent addition - very well done, fighting is cool as is the face washing though that might get old after awhile. Most importantly the AI is much better overall and that's without any slider tweaks.
On to my gripes,
Still too easy to gain the blueline, they said it would be fixed and I saw videos of it. Hopefully it's a slider issue.
I could be wrong about this one, but it seems like everyone is a fighter. I don't want to see the guys with 'Never' set for fighter, ever fighting.
Love how the CPU handles it though, I was face-washing Malkin and Guerin stepped in, great touch.
'09 was my favorite game ever, can already tell '10 will replace it. Board play is an excellent addition - very well done, fighting is cool as is the face washing though that might get old after awhile. Most importantly the AI is much better overall and that's without any slider tweaks.
On to my gripes,
Still too easy to gain the blueline, they said it would be fixed and I saw videos of it. Hopefully it's a slider issue.
I could be wrong about this one, but it seems like everyone is a fighter. I don't want to see the guys with 'Never' set for fighter, ever fighting.
Love how the CPU handles it though, I was face-washing Malkin and Guerin stepped in, great touch.
Okay, I have to complain for a minute here.
Last night I got a handful of games in again and two things stood out for me that I wasn't impressed with:
1. Hall Gill, while handling the puck, was as fast as Zetterberg without the puck. I had Zetterberg go in to forecheck Gill. Gill picked up the puck and began skating it out of the zone with Zetts on his heels. I never got close to catching him. I don't believe that Zetts was on the ice any longer than Gill was. But I'm not 100% sure of that. However, this wasn't an isolated incident as it seemed I had issues catching a lot of players who should have been slower. But if I changed sides, Zetterberg and Datsyuk had no issues catching Gill or any of my other slower skaters.
2. Zetterberg and Lidstrom recorded numerous tripping/slashing calls when trying to poke check or stick lift. This is precisely where player attributes need to come into play. Everyone raves about how Lidstrom is a wizard with his stick on the defensive end and yet numerous times I would accidentally trip a guy. Same with Zetts. He's a freakin' Selke trophy candidate and he was called a lot for slashing when trying to stick lift.
There doesn't seem to be a difference between anyone on the ice when it comes to poke checking or stick lifting. Everyone is susceptible to tripping or slashing to the same degree.
I know EA doesn't want people to abuse these defensive tools, but at the same time that's what really separates players who possess great defensive and discipline skills from those that lack either.
I should want to have Lidstrom on the ice a lot more because he's so hard to beat. But for the most part, there's very little difference between him and Lebda in the defensive end.
Anyway, those are my two gripes. I hope sliders can fix that, but we'll see. I'm putting a lot of stock in that player attribute slider. I just hope it does what I want it to do.
It's still a very fun game and is an excellent simulation of hockey. I guess I'm just tired of seeing so many players performing the exact same way. And I suppose I'm also getting tired of repeating myself and boring this community to death about the same thing.
My bad.
Last night I got a handful of games in again and two things stood out for me that I wasn't impressed with:
1. Hall Gill, while handling the puck, was as fast as Zetterberg without the puck. I had Zetterberg go in to forecheck Gill. Gill picked up the puck and began skating it out of the zone with Zetts on his heels. I never got close to catching him. I don't believe that Zetts was on the ice any longer than Gill was. But I'm not 100% sure of that. However, this wasn't an isolated incident as it seemed I had issues catching a lot of players who should have been slower. But if I changed sides, Zetterberg and Datsyuk had no issues catching Gill or any of my other slower skaters.
2. Zetterberg and Lidstrom recorded numerous tripping/slashing calls when trying to poke check or stick lift. This is precisely where player attributes need to come into play. Everyone raves about how Lidstrom is a wizard with his stick on the defensive end and yet numerous times I would accidentally trip a guy. Same with Zetts. He's a freakin' Selke trophy candidate and he was called a lot for slashing when trying to stick lift.
There doesn't seem to be a difference between anyone on the ice when it comes to poke checking or stick lifting. Everyone is susceptible to tripping or slashing to the same degree.
I know EA doesn't want people to abuse these defensive tools, but at the same time that's what really separates players who possess great defensive and discipline skills from those that lack either.
I should want to have Lidstrom on the ice a lot more because he's so hard to beat. But for the most part, there's very little difference between him and Lebda in the defensive end.
Anyway, those are my two gripes. I hope sliders can fix that, but we'll see. I'm putting a lot of stock in that player attribute slider. I just hope it does what I want it to do.
It's still a very fun game and is an excellent simulation of hockey. I guess I'm just tired of seeing so many players performing the exact same way. And I suppose I'm also getting tired of repeating myself and boring this community to death about the same thing.
My bad.
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Oh, and hopefully the player attribute slider will help with this, as it can be frustrating. Not sure if poke/lift effectiveness is tied to D-AWR, but you'd think it should be, right?
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i'm loving the demo, but have to share a concern/complaint:
i kept hearing how this game touted the idea that "you will see a noticeable difference between 1) players of different ratings, and 2) the 3rd/4th lines will play much different than your top scoring lines..."
okay, unless i'm just blind and stupid, i'm not seeing this separation. i realize that EA uses the "in the game" slogan, but i don't think any of us are going to blindly follow that malarkey (love that word!). but, as noted above, when you've got hal "i move like i'm in cement" gill skating like malkin you've got some problems.
i'd really hope the development team takes a look at these player ratings and creates more of separation factor...go to the REAL NHL STATISTICS and make these players stand out who should...slow down the ones who should...give scoring abilities to those who do...make great passers out of those who can...BUT make bad players, even though they may have a known name, play like bad players...lower their skill ratings...PLEASE!!!
i'm tired of seeing some scrub player rated a 78 (for example)... but don't release this game with all kind of flaws in the player rating department, and then make us wait two months for a roster update to fix this...
thanks!!
i kept hearing how this game touted the idea that "you will see a noticeable difference between 1) players of different ratings, and 2) the 3rd/4th lines will play much different than your top scoring lines..."
okay, unless i'm just blind and stupid, i'm not seeing this separation. i realize that EA uses the "in the game" slogan, but i don't think any of us are going to blindly follow that malarkey (love that word!). but, as noted above, when you've got hal "i move like i'm in cement" gill skating like malkin you've got some problems.
i'd really hope the development team takes a look at these player ratings and creates more of separation factor...go to the REAL NHL STATISTICS and make these players stand out who should...slow down the ones who should...give scoring abilities to those who do...make great passers out of those who can...BUT make bad players, even though they may have a known name, play like bad players...lower their skill ratings...PLEASE!!!
i'm tired of seeing some scrub player rated a 78 (for example)... but don't release this game with all kind of flaws in the player rating department, and then make us wait two months for a roster update to fix this...
thanks!!
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