06:45 AM - August 20, 2009 by VeryEvilAsh
The NHL 10 demo is available for the Xbox 360. Post your impressions here. The PS3 demo will be available next week.
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06:45 AM - August 20, 2009 by VeryEvilAshNHL 10 Videos
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# 362
ComaFaction @ 08/25/09 10:03 AM
I'm becoming slightly concerned with the cpu's offensive AI.
1. They favour the point shot way too much. I'm seeing guys cut out in front of the net, untouched, only to pass it back to the point for a slapshot.
2. They don't shoot off the rush enough. It seems that they are too pass happy in general -- when given a quality scoring chance, they will try and string together a tic-tac-toe play instead of rifling the open shot on net.
This doesn't happen all the time, but it happens a little more often than I'd like to see. Anyone else notice this?
This is playing on Allstar/Normal, btw.
1. They favour the point shot way too much. I'm seeing guys cut out in front of the net, untouched, only to pass it back to the point for a slapshot.
2. They don't shoot off the rush enough. It seems that they are too pass happy in general -- when given a quality scoring chance, they will try and string together a tic-tac-toe play instead of rifling the open shot on net.
This doesn't happen all the time, but it happens a little more often than I'd like to see. Anyone else notice this?
This is playing on Allstar/Normal, btw.
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Anyways, hopefully when we get a chance to play with sliders we can really make the game play how we want. Most of us seem to be planning on nerfing the AI passing, so maybe that will improve their shot/pass tendencies...
Normally played 2K hockey but totally enjoyed NHL 10, the demo. Going to rent both versions from Gamefly and take it from there.
The passing is really bothering me. I felt that I was VERY good at 09 and I am having slight difficulty with the passing game, even on the default settings. I enjoy it when it comes to how I feel when I have the puck, but to see the CPU pass the puck around 10+ times a possession with perfect accuracy and ridiculous speed, it's very discouraging.
# 366
allstar3970 @ 08/25/09 05:54 PM
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Can somebody explain to me how to shoot loose pucks in front of the net? Most of the time I flat out miss the puck and it can be pretty frustrating when I have a wide open net to shoot at but can't seem to even get a shot off when the puck is right near my stick. Do I have to wait until I get possession? That seems stupid to me as rebounds in real hockey tend to get smacked in - they don't wait until they have full possession and then shoot.
Also there are a few problems with the dump and chase game for me and this applies mostly to BAP where you don't control your teammates. Often times when you dump the puck in your teammates hesitate at the blue line and don't go in on the forecheck leaving the defense to easily regroup and start a breakout making my dump useless.
One way around this I found was to dump it straight ahead behind the net instead of near the sideboards. The only problem was that occasionally when I dump the puck straight ahead from the red line it would sail all the way over the glass on the other side of the rink. At first I thought I was just holding RB too long, but I can't seem to recreate this extremely long flip dump even if I hold RB down for a few seconds. To me it seems completely random which makes it annoying because I have no idea when it's going to happen. I would flip dump it lower but when I do a high flip dump the puck bounces around a lot when it comes back down and it makes it easier to retrieve. If I dump it lower they seem to easily pick it up and I can't effectively forecheck, so I'm forced to do the higher flip dump which occasionally leads to an absurdly powerful flip dump that goes out of play.
Can you comment on any of this Redshirt?
Also there are a few problems with the dump and chase game for me and this applies mostly to BAP where you don't control your teammates. Often times when you dump the puck in your teammates hesitate at the blue line and don't go in on the forecheck leaving the defense to easily regroup and start a breakout making my dump useless.
One way around this I found was to dump it straight ahead behind the net instead of near the sideboards. The only problem was that occasionally when I dump the puck straight ahead from the red line it would sail all the way over the glass on the other side of the rink. At first I thought I was just holding RB too long, but I can't seem to recreate this extremely long flip dump even if I hold RB down for a few seconds. To me it seems completely random which makes it annoying because I have no idea when it's going to happen. I would flip dump it lower but when I do a high flip dump the puck bounces around a lot when it comes back down and it makes it easier to retrieve. If I dump it lower they seem to easily pick it up and I can't effectively forecheck, so I'm forced to do the higher flip dump which occasionally leads to an absurdly powerful flip dump that goes out of play.
Can you comment on any of this Redshirt?
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Luongo is great and all, but with EA Canada being based in Vancouver you get a lot of Luo lovers if you know what I mean...
# 372
plaidchuck @ 08/26/09 12:26 AM
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However in my dynasty Fleury does well and usually wins the Vezina every year.
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However, I did bold the part that I completely disagree with. I'm not picking on you in any way, as I've heard this on occasion from other people too. I flat out don't get it. If you've ever been on skates, you know that to make turns with speed, it's going to be more of a "loopier" turn, where you cross your feet over. I think that this game nails the "on-skates" feel. The starting and stopping, the radius of turns at different speeds - all stellar.
If anything, I've found 2k's skating to be very arcadey for a long time, especially when you do any "special moves". It's average at best and can get downright awful. Though we like to think these guys skate a certain speed and with certain amount of agility, make no mistake about it...these guys are lightning quick on their skates. If you've ever watched a game live, two things stand out: the amazing passing ability and the speed of these guys on skates.
I love NHL's skating engine and hope they NEVER change it, at least until we move to new consoles where they can take it even a step further.
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I am struggling on AS/HC settings, which is a good thing I suppose. Aside from the sucking, of course...
# 375
Redshirt_EA @ 08/26/09 05:37 AM
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I think the skating is great when you maintain speed while doing carving turns etc., or do stop and gos in a straight line, but (outside of this) there are times when the transition animations do not reflect the physics of the player quite properly.
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Finally got this badboy downloaded today and played a handful of games.
I love the board pinning and the new puck physics. I've already seen a lot of weird but realistic goals. And firing it on net is actually worth while as there are many strange things that can happen with a bouncing puck - just like real.
I've been playing with Hardcore settings on AS and SS. I'm getting better at it, but if there's one complaint regarding the HC controls is that the passing shouldn't be that slow. I shouldn't have to load up a hard pass. Hopefully we can use sliders and settings to keep HC controls while filtering out some things I don't like.
The goalies have been greatly improved which is awesome. I now feel I can beat the goalie from in close if I have time and space, and a good shooter with the puck.
There also seems to be a larger difference between the stars and lesser players. Malkin can be a beast as is Crosby.
I also love how it's actually tough to get through the neutral zone.
EA did a great job in improving a lot of what was wrong with NHL09.
The one thing that's still up for debate is the CPU's 100% accurate passing. It's still way too tape-to-tape. But like so many have mentioned I'm hoping sliders will help this as well.
One last thing that the jury is still out on is the CPU's ability to always take control of a loose puck or weird bounce. As you move up from Pro to Superstar it seems that the puck follows the CPU around a lot more than on lower levels. Again, this might be my imagination and I don't want to pass judgement until I've had more time with the game, but in the last few games I noticed this trend a lot more.
The post whistle scrums were fun for a little while, but after the first 3 games I stopped partaking. I got tired of watching Datsyuk and Lidstrom chuck knuckles. I'd probably enjoy the fighting aspect a lot more if real fighters actually fought.
I know once I start Be a GM mode with a Fantasy draft, everytime I have a 3rd or 4th line against the top line I'm going to do my best to draw a star into a fight with a scrub.
Anyway, despite some of my gripes, they're minor at this point.
I'm really liking what I'm seeing and playing and I can't wait for the full version.
I love the board pinning and the new puck physics. I've already seen a lot of weird but realistic goals. And firing it on net is actually worth while as there are many strange things that can happen with a bouncing puck - just like real.
I've been playing with Hardcore settings on AS and SS. I'm getting better at it, but if there's one complaint regarding the HC controls is that the passing shouldn't be that slow. I shouldn't have to load up a hard pass. Hopefully we can use sliders and settings to keep HC controls while filtering out some things I don't like.
The goalies have been greatly improved which is awesome. I now feel I can beat the goalie from in close if I have time and space, and a good shooter with the puck.
There also seems to be a larger difference between the stars and lesser players. Malkin can be a beast as is Crosby.
I also love how it's actually tough to get through the neutral zone.
EA did a great job in improving a lot of what was wrong with NHL09.
The one thing that's still up for debate is the CPU's 100% accurate passing. It's still way too tape-to-tape. But like so many have mentioned I'm hoping sliders will help this as well.
One last thing that the jury is still out on is the CPU's ability to always take control of a loose puck or weird bounce. As you move up from Pro to Superstar it seems that the puck follows the CPU around a lot more than on lower levels. Again, this might be my imagination and I don't want to pass judgement until I've had more time with the game, but in the last few games I noticed this trend a lot more.
The post whistle scrums were fun for a little while, but after the first 3 games I stopped partaking. I got tired of watching Datsyuk and Lidstrom chuck knuckles. I'd probably enjoy the fighting aspect a lot more if real fighters actually fought.
I know once I start Be a GM mode with a Fantasy draft, everytime I have a 3rd or 4th line against the top line I'm going to do my best to draw a star into a fight with a scrub.
Anyway, despite some of my gripes, they're minor at this point.
I'm really liking what I'm seeing and playing and I can't wait for the full version.
# 378
phillyfan23 @ 08/26/09 05:01 PM
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great impressions Hank......
agree with most things you said except the loose puck issue. I think it's pretty much 50-50 to me. maybe I am wrong.
the thing that's huge for this game is the cpu passing. If this thing can be fixed via sliders, this game will be "MONEY" (pun intended) .....but if it's basically like the demo, I feel the offline portion of the game is wasted. Such a shame because the rest of the gameplay is soo tight.
Just imagine you're playing as the Redwings ( supremely good passing team) against the lightning. Playing on hardcore SS you see your team doing well making 70 percent pass connect but then your opponent , a much less talented team connect 88 percent. It will bother me greatly.
Also Zetterberg/Crosby will pass the exact same way as Donald Brashear....
My gut feeling is that this is unfixable via sliders, I REALLY hope I'm dead wrong, but if that's the case, what a shame. Maybe a patch could fix it.
great impressions Hank......
agree with most things you said except the loose puck issue. I think it's pretty much 50-50 to me. maybe I am wrong.
the thing that's huge for this game is the cpu passing. If this thing can be fixed via sliders, this game will be "MONEY" (pun intended) .....but if it's basically like the demo, I feel the offline portion of the game is wasted. Such a shame because the rest of the gameplay is soo tight.
Just imagine you're playing as the Redwings ( supremely good passing team) against the lightning. Playing on hardcore SS you see your team doing well making 70 percent pass connect but then your opponent , a much less talented team connect 88 percent. It will bother me greatly.
Also Zetterberg/Crosby will pass the exact same way as Donald Brashear....
My gut feeling is that this is unfixable via sliders, I REALLY hope I'm dead wrong, but if that's the case, what a shame. Maybe a patch could fix it.
One thing about the AI really bothers me and that is how they often seem to just let you skate over their blueline without any pressure. It would really make the dump and chase game really shine if the AI forced it on you at certain times. It would be better if your skilled top line players could deke through guys at the neutral zone or skate through the holes easier without losing the puck, while 3rd or 4th liners usually have to dump the puck in to the corners and chase it to generate scoring chances.
On the positive side I am really enjoying playing BE A PRO on Superstar/Normal as an offensive defencmen. It is really fun trying to generate scoring chances with some nice passes and well timed point shots. With the new passing engine making the breakout passes is also a bit of a challenge sometimes. Playing defence though is tough, Obsuit (sp?) is really tough to defend.
On the positive side I am really enjoying playing BE A PRO on Superstar/Normal as an offensive defencmen. It is really fun trying to generate scoring chances with some nice passes and well timed point shots. With the new passing engine making the breakout passes is also a bit of a challenge sometimes. Playing defence though is tough, Obsuit (sp?) is really tough to defend.
# 380
Flyermania @ 08/26/09 06:05 PM
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