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NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360 & PS3)

06:45 AM - August 20, 2009 by VeryEvilAsh

The NHL 10 demo is available for the Xbox 360. Post your impressions here. The PS3 demo will be available next week.

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# 321 green94 @ 08/23/09 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Redshirt_EA


	Edit: Ok, I get the question now. I think hardcore/superstar will probably require most people to increase the period length to get realistic shot totals. It is likely that some slider fine tuning will be necessary to fit your skill and style if you want to get everything coming out just right, but I think that should definitely be possible now with the sliders that are available. I'm sure there will be plenty of (more objective) feedback on these forums on the matter when the full game is out.

This sounds great... I emailed you earlier this year and asked the same question. I'm one of the few (I think) that play 20min periods and I was getting 60+ shots a game. I was really hoping that would be toned down, sounds like Hardcore might be able to solve my problem

# 322 Eddie1967 @ 08/23/09 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmay


	Feels stale and boring. Feels like NHL 2009 with some little additions that don't really add very much to it. I was looking forward to it from the videos I'd seen, but I seriously was bored with the demo after 2-3 plays. The only way I can see me buying it is for BAP mode - but last year it was horrible, and I certainly can't tell from the demo what it'll be like this year; especially since I prefer the goalie position.

I would agree with the stale and boring comment as far as presentation goes. EA really needs to make major upgrades in that dept. I guess I'm spared from noticing if this is similar to last years in other areas since I didn't play 09 enough.

# 323 Mad 69 @ 08/23/09 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Redshirt_EA

On superstar they do have a skating advantage. You can turn it off in NHL10, and it is much smaller to begin with.

So there is a cpu advantage, call it comeback logic or what you will, the cpu does get an advantage when the score is tied or their losing late in the game - how do people not notice this or believe its in the game?

# 324 VeryEvilAsh @ 08/23/09 08:17 PM

+ The CPU AI actually uses board play at good times (this worried me)

+ I was on the PK and my goalie gave up a huge rebound from a shot from the point. My D man batted the puck all the way down to center ice.

+ I was picking on Crosby and Guerin jumped in and dropped the gloves with me. Thorne actually said, "And now we have a 3rd man in on this one".

- CPU AI will never ever instigate post whistle scrums (as far as I can tell)

- CPU AI will never fight you. You can pretty much have them bobble and fumble the puck all game if you intimidate them early.

- What's the point of the turtle button? You still get 5 for fighting. Can you actually get injured in a fight? If so that is really sweet!

# 325 mkharsh33 @ 08/23/09 08:38 PM

i still see poor crowd reactions to certain plays...it's as if there is some kind of lag at times with the action and the crowd and announcers responses. penalties by the red wings have drawn cheers (not boos) and they've scored a goal to very little reaction. i was kinda hoping those issues would have been fixed a little more...

# 326 plaidchuck @ 08/23/09 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RealmK


	So you want goal celebrations to what, last 20 minutes or something? Well ok.

LOL yeah, I want the Family Guy "shi-poo-pee" song everytime I score. "Yeeaaaaaah I scored a goal."

But honestly I can't see people's beef with the graphics, I mean sure there may be improvements needed in some of the skate animations but how could the graphics honestly get better? Have the likeness of each Arena and bam the graphics can stay like this for 10 years as far as I'm concerned.

Hopefully next year they will focus on that coupled with some new cutscenes, tweak the BAP and BAGM some more, and the game will damn near be flawless.

# 327 plaidchuck @ 08/23/09 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VeryEvilAsh


	+ \ + I was picking on Crosby and Guerin jumped in and dropped the gloves with me. Thorne actually said, "And now we have a 3rd man in on this one".

Wow that's new, I haven't seen that yet nor hear anyone else mention it, that definately is a step in the right direction, now all we need is the AI to pick strategic fights.

# 328 sharks @ 08/23/09 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Redshirt_EA


	On superstar they do have a skating advantage. You can turn it off in NHL10, and it is much smaller to begin with.

Wow. I guess giving the CPU team various advantages is the developers' way of making the CPU harder to play against on higher levels. Rather than making the CPU players smarter the developers insert boosts that they receive. This is also known as AI cheating. Any unfair advantage that is given to the AI is AI cheating. So your previous claims that there is no AI cheating are false. The AI can make perfect tic-tac-toe passes at rocket speed, skate twice as fast as the players on the human team, have perfect shooting accuracy, and have sticks that are incapable of being lifted. Are there any other AI advantages/cheats we should know about. This has to go for NHL 11. Sorry, I do not mean this to be an attack on the developers. I have no idea how hard you guys work to make the game we want.
Do you know what separates you guys from 2K though? Although each game is not perfect and does have its fair share of glitches/bugs, you guys listen to the community. Your competition does not. You guys care and actually do fix what is wrong. This will take you a long way. So, please eliminate AI boosts, since you do not want to call it AI cheating even though it is the same thing, in NHL 11.
The CPU does should not get advantages. It should get smarter instead. Better positioning. Smarter and tighter defense. Smarter passes. That kind of stuff. According to a 2K developer, all AI cheats and boosts are gone in NHL 2K10. No reason why NHL 10 should have them. AI cheating should now be a thing of the past since sports games are getting more authentic every year.

# 329 ch46647 @ 08/23/09 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mkharsh33


	i still see poor crowd reactions to certain plays...it's as if there is some kind of lag at times with the action and the crowd and announcers responses. penalties by the red wings have drawn cheers (not boos) and they've scored a goal to very little reaction. i was kinda hoping those issues would have been fixed a little more...

Let me start off by saying I LOVE this demo!!! However, I do agree with this poster about the crowd reactions to certain plays. Sometimes it is flat out phenomenol, but other times it is like the same play (goal, puck floating on the crease, big hit, etc) happens and the crowd doesnt react. Is this fixed for the retail version?

Edit: I do believe that this is just a demo issue because sometimes when you hit somebody the crowd gets deafeningly loud, even louder then when you score a goal. I have a feeling this will be fixed for retail. Other then this issue this is one GREAT game!!

# 330 VeryEvilAsh @ 08/23/09 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by plaidchuck


	Wow that's new, I haven't seen that yet nor hear anyone else mention it, that definately is a step in the right direction, now all we need is the AI to pick strategic fights.

Yep he made the 3rd man in comment, but there was no extra penalty. still sweet though.

# 331 kerosene31 @ 08/23/09 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sharks


	The CPU does should not get advantages. It should get smarter instead. Better positioning. Smarter and tighter defense. Smarter passes. That kind of stuff. According to a 2K developer, all AI cheats and boosts are gone in NHL 2K10. No reason why NHL 10 should have them. AI cheating should now be a thing of the past since sports games are getting more authentic every year.

Sorry, but no sports game anywhere made by anyone has ever done this. (and probably never will, not for a $60 console game).

There will always be CPU boosts (and/or handicapping human players) in sports games. The human mind will always win out. How long does it take people to find the glitch goals?

The only difference in any games is how the CPU gets boosts. Neither 2k10 or NHL10 are going to play fair (along with any other sports game out there).

A good sports game will let you play and not notice these boosts as badly. A good sports game allows you to win if you play the game well. A poor sports game forces you to recognize the boosts and adjust to them specifically. A bad sports game gives you those "WTF" moments where you want to throw the controller at the TV.

# 332 kerosene31 @ 08/23/09 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottdau


	Why in the hell do I lose against the CPU in Chess?

That's a good point actually. Chess is a structured game that a computer can actually play. There's a finite number of moves you can make in chess.

With hockey, there's just too many unpredictable things that a human player can do.

# 333 adayinthelife @ 08/23/09 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VeryEvilAsh


	- CPU AI will never ever instigate post whistle scrums (as far as I can tell) - CPU AI will never fight you. You can pretty much have them bobble and fumble the puck all game if you intimidate them early. - What's the point of the turtle button? You still get 5 for fighting. Can you actually get injured in a fight? If so that is really sweet!

The AI sort of started some stuff with me. I poked at the goalie after he had it covered and then came in like they usually do but then a little window in the top right corner popped up saying to press 'Y' to fight - similar to the way fighting used to be in the NHL 2004 era.

It'd be great if 2 AI characters occasionally got into stuff though. Also it's great that Guerin came in for the poster above, I've had too many fights as or against guys like Crosby, Zetterberg, Malkin, etc...

Also, I believe I remember Litty mentioning that players can be injured in fights this year to answer your question.

# 334 Vikes1 @ 08/23/09 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kerosene31


	A good sports game will let you play and not notice these boosts as badly. A good sports game allows you to win if you play the game well. A poor sports game forces you to recognize the boosts and adjust to them specifically. A bad sports game gives you those "WTF" moments where you want to throw the controller at the TV.

Well said Kerosene.

This is another reason why I like the NHL game as much as I do. At least to me...the cpu advantages aren't as glaringly noticeable to me as with other sports games. I should note that I normally play on All-Star level. I've never really felt flat out cheated on that game level.

As you alluded to Kerosene....nothing is more frustrating, or makes me lose interest in a sports game faster than knowing your obviously being cheated.

# 335 savoie2006 @ 08/24/09 12:11 AM

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	The only difference in any games is how the CPU gets boosts. Neither 2k10 or NHL10 are going to play fair (along with any other sports game out there).

Well according the VC, the infamous speed boost the Cpu got on the higher difficulty levels is now gone for 2K10. I guess we'll see. The NHL10 developers I believe have openly said the Cpu has a slight boost on the All Star and Superstar levels. As long as the sliders can fix this, I'm Ok with it I guess. My biggest concern with NHL10 right now is how much the sliders will fix the Cpu pass accuracy. I don't want the realism of innaccurate passes to be just with the user.

# 336 Eddie1967 @ 08/24/09 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RealmK


	See this is what I don't understand. Thorne and Clement are exciting to listen to, graphically the game is flat out sexy. Cutscenes with hats thrown on the ice for home team tricks, players getting ejected after a game misconduct, players being injuried being helped off the ice, player stat overlays during stoppages showing stats. What do you guys who hate the presentation need to actually like it? If they had flashy spot light intros would that make that much of a big difference? Presentation of the on ice action between the two games is pretty much identical, except Thorne and Clement's commentary is a whole hell of a lot better and more professional sounding. Not to mention theres a TON of new dialog this year vs the same 5-6 year old 2k pbp script. Enlighten me because I just don't get the whole stale presentation arguement.

I just don't feel the excitement during the game like I felt for 2k9. It's just not there. The fans look cartoonish to me, even the tower waving looks a bit goofy. Like someone said when the redwings score, it just doesn't seem like a playoff goal was scored by the fan reaction. So far the most exciting thing I have heard when the wings score a goal is the announcer and not the crowd, and to me it should be the other way around. And the Arena's, I know this isn't a big thing to some people but it is to me, this game should have the actual arena's to give it some authenticity complete with all the intros and the goal horns etc.

2K did a fine job with that last year and has improved upon that in 2k10 as was shown in the Detroit Redwings game intro. 2k's arenas come to life, each and everyone of them and that's a huge part of hockey IMO. NHL 10's gameplay seems to play a fine game of hockey no doubt, but they could go a long way towards having a complete game if the developers would take the time to add more of the bells and whistles that you actually see in a hockey game. I'll gladly give them my 60 dollars if they ever get around to doing this.

# 337 onlybygrace @ 08/24/09 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddie1967


	I just don't feel the excitement during the game like I felt for 2k9. It's just not there. The fans look cartoonish to me, even the tower waving looks a bit goofy. Like someone said when the redwings score, it just doesn't seem like a playoff goal was scored by the fan reaction. So far the most exciting thing I have heard when the wings score a goal is the announcer and not the crowd, and to me it should be the other way around. And the Arena's, I know this isn't a big thing to some people but it is to me, this game should have the actual arena's to give it some authenticity complete with all the intros and the goal horns etc. 2K did a fine job with that last year and has improved upon that in 2k10 as was shown in the Detroit Redwings game intro. 2k's arenas come to life, each and everyone of them and that's a huge part of hockey IMO. NHL 10's gameplay seems to play a fine game of hockey no doubt, but they could go a long way towards having a complete game if the developers would take the time to add more of the bells and whistles that you actually see in a hockey game. I'll gladly give them my 60 dollars if they ever get around to doing this.

Whatever, Eddie...just spend your 60 dollars on the gem of a game MLB 2k10 will surely be.

Yes, I meant to say MLB.

# 338 savoie2006 @ 08/24/09 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by onlybygrace


	Whatever, Eddie...just spend your 60 dollars on the gem of a game MLB 2k10 will surely be. Yes, I meant to say MLB.

Who's to say it won't be a gem?

# 339 kai123 @ 08/24/09 01:21 AM

I am no moderator but this thread seems derailed. People stay on topic i like these impressions because it gets me pumped to try the PS3 demo. please people

# 340 phillyfan23 @ 08/24/09 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RealmK


	Its more so proving a point. The two people who have an issue with EA's presentation are pretty much the same two who have a hard on for 2k's flashy arena intros and their herky jerky celebrations when pretty much no one else does. Coincidence? Doubtful.

i've gotten the EA title the past 3 years, but i agree with Eddie here. The presentation is better for 2k and the gameplay overall COULD be better than nhl 10...who knows.

I mean, if the pass accuracy of the cpu can't be fixed on superstar level....NHL 10 to me is a failure. great thing 2ki has taken out the high level boosts, I just don't understand why EA has to take this route. It totally ruins the integrity/realism of the sport....pretty ironic that EA hockey always uses the buzzword "AUTHENTIC"......still ways to go.

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