06:45 AM - August 20, 2009 by VeryEvilAsh
The NHL 10 demo is available for the Xbox 360. Post your impressions here. The PS3 demo will be available next week.
NHL 10 News Post
06:45 AM - August 20, 2009 by VeryEvilAshNHL 10 Videos
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# 461
metallidevils @ 08/28/09 10:46 PM
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if they would have patched board play and toned down pass effectiveness, plus adding a few more goalie animations and the fighting engine into NHL 09 - i could save the $60 bucks for something else.
to me, it's basically the same guy with these 4 additions...these are nice additions, but is it really a much different game? not really... we're paying for a roster update which will be full of players (still) with overblown attributes.
i'd like to see something where EA (or any company for that matter) gives you a discount based upon the times you purchase a game. it could be done when you buy the game at the register, and each subsequent year you purchase a title you get a discount.
to me, this game is worth $30 - but not $60... i just don't see anything different with regard to the announcers and the visuals that justify a price like this. enough of my rants... i guess i just expected a bit more due to what i kept hearing about the uniqueness of the various lines and attributes that would show greater separation amongst players - i'm kinda disappointed with this game the more i play the demo... if the passing and board play were not added it would feel just like 09...
to me, it's basically the same guy with these 4 additions...these are nice additions, but is it really a much different game? not really... we're paying for a roster update which will be full of players (still) with overblown attributes.
i'd like to see something where EA (or any company for that matter) gives you a discount based upon the times you purchase a game. it could be done when you buy the game at the register, and each subsequent year you purchase a title you get a discount.
to me, this game is worth $30 - but not $60... i just don't see anything different with regard to the announcers and the visuals that justify a price like this. enough of my rants... i guess i just expected a bit more due to what i kept hearing about the uniqueness of the various lines and attributes that would show greater separation amongst players - i'm kinda disappointed with this game the more i play the demo... if the passing and board play were not added it would feel just like 09...
Initial impression, not overly impressed. Still reeks too much of NHL 09, which for most is good, but bad for me. Cpu passing was too quick, tic tac toe, and often pointless. Defense is still way too passive, resulting in every offensive possession into a pseudo-powerplay. Goalies still warp and make some odd saves. I really did not like the hold-the-button-down-longer for a faster pass feature.
On the positive side - board play is very nice, when it does happen. There seemed to be more tipped pucks/blocked passes, which gave the game a more organic feel. Skating backwards with the puck and using the stick on defense seemed much better than last year, which made playing defense vastly improved.
I think there's been some very good improvements in the game from what I've seen playing the demo. However, for me it still doesn't feel right. The goalies and passive defense really kill this game for me as they did in NHL 09. Right now I'd say NHL 10 is a no go for me. Unless the 2k10 demo (provided there is one) knocks my socks off, this might be the first year I don't buy a hockey game, which is fine by me. I have other games to play and other things to do.
Anyway, nice effort by EA. I'm sure plenty will be happy with it, just not me.
On the positive side - board play is very nice, when it does happen. There seemed to be more tipped pucks/blocked passes, which gave the game a more organic feel. Skating backwards with the puck and using the stick on defense seemed much better than last year, which made playing defense vastly improved.
I think there's been some very good improvements in the game from what I've seen playing the demo. However, for me it still doesn't feel right. The goalies and passive defense really kill this game for me as they did in NHL 09. Right now I'd say NHL 10 is a no go for me. Unless the 2k10 demo (provided there is one) knocks my socks off, this might be the first year I don't buy a hockey game, which is fine by me. I have other games to play and other things to do.
Anyway, nice effort by EA. I'm sure plenty will be happy with it, just not me.
I sort of know what you mean about the goalies, they don't move around much just sort of stay deep in the net and feel unrealistic. Its not a killer by any means, but it would be nice to see goalies take on a bit of reflection to their real life counter parts, skating back and forth in the crease more to get a better view, coming out a bit more to cut down on angles or just minor ticks real goalies have. Goalies are the NHLs pitchers, one man out on an island who are often pretty weird guys. I'd like to see that stuff.
I've only played 3 games on PS3 so far but it seems pretty strong, the controls are hard to pick up for me but I'm always a slow learner with sports game these days. The board play looks and feels very good, passing will take some time.
I've only played 3 games on PS3 so far but it seems pretty strong, the controls are hard to pick up for me but I'm always a slow learner with sports game these days. The board play looks and feels very good, passing will take some time.
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And that was my whole point, that the NHL series, at this point, is a finely tuned and fun, mostly realistic hockey game engine and people looking for wholesale changes are probably barking up the wrong tree. Rightfully so, might I add. This engine doesn't NEED a huge change. What they're doing, by adding key, sim gameplay functions like boardplay, is making a great, fun game even better.
And yes, moving from last gen to the current gen systems, they overhauled the engine. But that's because they had to. This engine does not need changing, just a few gameplay tweaks, a bit of tightening up of the animations and we're good. I don't want them adding a ton of things half-@$$ed and those additions ruining the game.
# 466
infinityBCRT @ 08/29/09 03:35 AM
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But thats why I'm here, to criticize and to push you to try to think out of the box and to do better things. Serving out kool-aid would be far more dangerous, especially if you believed it. Maybe this is a cheap shot at the competitor, but for the last few years they really have been drinking their own kool-aid and the kool-aid of their biggest cheerleaders which is why they thought ideas such as cinemotion or two speed bursts were good when anyone outside of the bubble could see what a disaster such ideas were.
I do think if EA is able to move to a subscription based model where the main development occurs continuously it will allow the team to do two things:
1. Allow for the implementation of bigger features such as a more robust physics engine. Development wouldn't have to be constrained to a 10 month dev cycle.
2. Allow for quicker rollouts of smaller features, stuff that can be rolled out every few months instead of every year. And if any new features/changes completely screw up the game, they can be rolled back instead of the user having to wait another year for it to be fixed.
Boxed copies which are snapshots of the game at the start of the season could still be put out as 50% of the sports gamers out there likely are not active online gamers as well, but I think a subscription model is a great way to give more flexibility to the development team.
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Okay I got a little side tracked there. By the way, What I really think the next generational leap for hockey games will be after getting the skating engine down is to get movement and collision detection in tight quarters down. If you look at any exciting scramble in the NHL there are players that are able to navigate through tight spaces to get to the puck and thats important. The only video game I can think of that has implemented anything like that is Assassin's Creed with it's crowd AI. I guess its similar to the stuff that natural motion is doing as well, or even some of the stuff in fight night (glancing blows, inside fighting). Having total collision detection with sticks is another goal that needs to be reached. I know its something that seems trivial and minor but if its implemented it will do wonders for many aspects of the gameplay. And finally (and maybe the most least), jerseys would need to be modelled as cloth so that sticks would be able to get caught in them and it would also fix the abnormal texture stretching that occurs during player animations.
Just look at the first goal scored in this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLw3WVyD6tE&hd=1 . Something like that is impossible to model because players can not move and react realistically when they are that close together in the game, but once thats possible, we will see some incredible gameplay moments.
Its all a little pie in the sky but thats the next step IMO. Once a new physics engine is in place, the gameplay and presentation can move ahead in meaningful ways.
# 467
infinityBCRT @ 08/29/09 03:54 AM
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. I understand that the 360 and PS3 cannot do everything but if not this gen, then it should be prepared for next gen. A makeshift way to go possibly could be to develop a PC version (oh yes, thats a whole other can of worms... but look at what blizzard is doing with starcraft 2 and thats the answer to pc piracy) which uses a more powerful physics engine until the next generation of consoles arrives and to use a scaled back version on the consoles until the next gen.
# 468
infinityBCRT @ 08/29/09 04:12 AM
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By the way, I wanna say that EA_Redshirt is a good guy for doing this and opening the lines of communication between the developers and the community. With this plus Rammer's twitter it feels like more than ever the team is listening to the community.
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This is the most realistic sports game I've ever played, and saying that without sliders is pretty damn amazing.
# 471
Redshirt_EA @ 08/29/09 03:51 PM
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I've played the demo on both consoles and see no differences. I can't stand using the PS3 controller for NHL10 though, it just doesn't feel right.
I also noticed that the problem where you simply can't pass for a second or two when the computer is forechecking you persists on the PS3 as well. Redshirt, is this a glitch or was this intended? It doesn't make any sense.
I also noticed that the problem where you simply can't pass for a second or two when the computer is forechecking you persists on the PS3 as well. Redshirt, is this a glitch or was this intended? It doesn't make any sense.
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In BAP mode I've noticed that those little defensive pokes your player automatically did last year aren't there anymore. Is this correct? The CPU is passing the puck inches alongside me with me facing the passer and nothing happens. Last year the BAP would automatically use his stick to intercept the pass.
Also when multiple penalties are called it would be nice to see them all mentioned in a cut-scene. Most of the time you only see your own player get the call too find out after the cut-scene you're in a powerplay situation because someone got a instigator penalty on the opposing theme.
Overall I hope standard slidersettings have been tweaked a bit.
Also when multiple penalties are called it would be nice to see them all mentioned in a cut-scene. Most of the time you only see your own player get the call too find out after the cut-scene you're in a powerplay situation because someone got a instigator penalty on the opposing theme.
Overall I hope standard slidersettings have been tweaked a bit.
# 477
Splitter77 @ 08/29/09 05:46 PM
i know this was probably mentioned already- but i just played the demo yesterday.
The board play is going to add so much to this game.
That, and the fact the CPU doesnt skate around your players on superstar makes this game 100x better than last year.
The board play is going to add so much to this game.
That, and the fact the CPU doesnt skate around your players on superstar makes this game 100x better than last year.
played the demo on the ps3 it was pretty fun might accully buy a hockey game this year but ima wait for the 2k demo to compare
I'm stuck at work for the weekend and haven't had much time with my ps3 demo yet, so a question for those of you deep into BAP:
In 09 your BAP would always start the period, even if he was a 4th line scrub, and no matter what line you were on you'd get 1st PP time and finish the game with 30+ minutes even as a forward, while your team mates (even Ovechkin, Crosby or Iginla) would play far less than you and their production would be screwed up as a result. Have they fixed this, does your ice time reflect your player?
Can you still call for a line change as a player, which is kind of ridiculous, or does the coach make those decisions?
Hows the mode overall, improvements in coach feedback? Do you always start on the NHL club or spend time in the minors? How much time in the minors?
Anyone drafted in the 2nd round or worse?
Whats your overall when you start the game?
In 09 your BAP would always start the period, even if he was a 4th line scrub, and no matter what line you were on you'd get 1st PP time and finish the game with 30+ minutes even as a forward, while your team mates (even Ovechkin, Crosby or Iginla) would play far less than you and their production would be screwed up as a result. Have they fixed this, does your ice time reflect your player?
Can you still call for a line change as a player, which is kind of ridiculous, or does the coach make those decisions?
Hows the mode overall, improvements in coach feedback? Do you always start on the NHL club or spend time in the minors? How much time in the minors?
Anyone drafted in the 2nd round or worse?
Whats your overall when you start the game?
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