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Can I Have my Money Back?

As daylight savings kicks in and the snow begins to melt it's starting to become evident that spring is in the air. And what comes with spring? Baseball. Unfortunately being an XBOX 360 owner leaves me few options when it comes to choosing a baseball game. In fact it leaves me with just one option: MLB 2K8.

Living in a city (Pittsburgh) which has woefully attempted to field a winning team for last 15 seasons has made my love for the game of baseball dwindle; not to mention everything else that has gone on with the sport in the last decade and a half. Still, every spring I get an itch, and it's not pollen related. The itch is for some digital baseball on my console.

Last year was the first year I spent with the 2K series, and while I enjoyed it enough to make it through a whole 162 game season, plus playoffs, I knew it could have been better. This is what I was hoping for when I recently started getting geared up for the newest rendition. This is not what I got at all, however.

Upon firing up the game for the first time I quickly realized that something was, well boring. I cannot think of a better way of saying that. The front end is lousy and dull, and everything presentation wise is more or less exactly the same as last year. Aesthetically speaking, I began to feel like I had just paid sixty dollars for a roster update, even though I still had to wait until Opening Day to download an up to date roster.

Commentary was exactly the same, especially after all those games I played last year. Honestly, how many times do I need to hear about, "PFP, Pitchers Fielding Practice", Joe Morgan?

Where is the groundbreaking presentation that placed 2K games above the bar for so many years? Replays and cut screens looked the same, well almost; there was that renowned stuttering issue to enjoy. In addition, animations and every other little nuance was pretty much exactly where I left it at the end of last summer. What a disappointment. How can I possibly be inspired to keep playing a game that got old seven or eight months ago?

Then I began to start disliking features that I liked in the previous year's game. The lineup card you can bring up during the pitcher batter interface was still there, but the writing was so small it was hard to read even when zoomed in. I am gaming on a 42-inch plasma, I should be able to read this stuff; I am still a relatively young guy here!

The one feature I really do like happens to be the 2K beats. This is where you can import any music you like, even streaming from your computer, to the game and have it play for all kinds of circumstances. This should be in every game!

That alone was the bright spot I found though. The game itself played mostly better as the new controls were inventive, and fun. Pitching takes too long to keep me interested though. It's a neat idea it just needs to be tightened up. Waiting for the catcher to give the sign and set up takes a little too long, and then just the act of pitching is pretty drawn out itself.

There is a better variety of hits which is nice, along with the new fielding mechanic being sound.

At the end of the day, however, all the new game mechanics can not make up for what this game lacks. The atmosphere is dull; graphics look bland; player models have taken a step back, physics are pretty weak again; and the overall experience was just lame. Even the lighting and weather just downright atrocious. And this isn’t even getting into all the bugs and problems I have encountered personally, or ones members in the forums have been complaining about. I'm talking about issues that have ranged from games freezing to gameplay errors and mishaps. It's exactly the type of problems I don't want out of a game that has no competition.

Maybe you can play this if you really love baseball and put in the time to tweak the sliders post-patch, I cannot though. Knowing that other games, like GTA, are coming out next month I don't see any reason to try and force myself to like this game.

It is just a boring game. A game I had already mastered last year; a game that I expected so much more out of; and mostly, a game that will sit on my shelf no matter what happens with baseball in this town.

Can I have my money back 2K?


Member Comments
# 41 Artman22 @ 03/20/08 05:13 PM
Im really glad that OS does not care about pleasing fanboys. Im glad they gave this game exactly what it deserved a 6. This game went backwards. I gave up on 2k baseball. They make the best football and baseketball games but baseball is not on that level. I wouldnt be surprise or upset if they lose that 3rd party license.
 
# 42 HealyMonster @ 03/20/08 05:15 PM
i dont get where half of you guys come off trying to defend 2k and this game. i have the game, i can enjoy it the way it is now. Lets be real with each other though. This game is garbage. this game is what mlb 2k6 should have been but not really cause the framerate sucks. this game is what MLB 2k5 should have been if it were released on the 360. instead of a solid playing baseball game im dealing with a company releasing a "new pitching mechanic" and new "13 zones of hitting" at the expense of acurate uniforms, fluid franchise, acurate up to date stadiums. i mean come on. basically since mlb 2k6, 2 years, we have some signature styles, a new pitching mechanic, more zones to hit out of and 2k beats can be used in game now. wow, i basically have paid 180$ for that. regardless if you guys are enjoying the game or not lets not kid ourselves and act like we are lucky to hve thi game and pretend its a good game. heck when i was a kid i had all kinds of toys. sometimes after the toy broke id still find some fun out of it. its like this game. i gotta say what im playing is total crap but whatever i can find ways to enjoy it since i have nothing else.

i understand how you guys say well the new pitching is cool, gameplay is improved, stop bashing the game. i get it. but take a minute look at the big picture then give your response. 2k deserves everything negative they get for putting out a game 3 years in a row that is well below what they should be putting out. end of story. there is no argument to that. the fact that they had a patch in the works prior to release, and their 3 year plan garbage pretty much makes this a fact.
 
# 43 Artman22 @ 03/20/08 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by awesomepatrol
Correct, everything you said above this is 100% inaccurate about the full retail game. Hysterically, the demo isn't plagued by this problem.
Retail is just as bad. So he's very accurate.
 
# 44 Artman22 @ 03/20/08 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Renegade44
i dont get where half of you guys come off trying to defend 2k and this game. i have the game, i can enjoy it the way it is now. Lets be real with each other though. This game is garbage. this game is what mlb 2k6 should have been but not really cause the framerate sucks. this game is what MLB 2k5 should have been if it were released on the 360. instead of a solid playing baseball game im dealing with a company releasing a "new pitching mechanic" and new "13 zones of hitting" at the expense of acurate uniforms, fluid franchise, acurate up to date stadiums. i mean come on. basically since mlb 2k6, 2 years, we have some signature styles, a new pitching mechanic, more zones to hit out of and 2k beats can be used in game now. wow, i basically have paid 180$ for that. regardless if you guys are enjoying the game or not lets not kid ourselves and act like we are lucky to hve thi game and pretend its a good game. heck when i was a kid i had all kinds of toys. sometimes after the toy broke id still find some fun out of it. its like this game. i gotta say what im playing is total crap but whatever i can find ways to enjoy it since i have nothing else.

i understand how you guys say well the new pitching is cool, gameplay is improved, stop bashing the game. i get it. but take a minute look at the big picture then give your response. 2k deserves everything negative they get for putting out a game 3 years in a row that is well below what they should be putting out. end of story. there is no argument to that. the fact that they had a patch in the works prior to release, and their 3 year plan garbage pretty much makes this a fact.
People will defend this game till the end and i dont know why. It's like people must become lawyers of a game company

I agree with you.
 
# 45 Artman22 @ 03/20/08 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CS10029
Haha are you kidding me. I still try out EA sports games. I love the NHL game and NCAA is decent. MLB could be better, the same thing with the EA games, but the quality of 2Ks games to that of EAs differs drastically.

I just don't get why this article needs to be posted, when for the most part the people of this site like the game. Im sure this article had to be approved by someone, and I just don't see why its necessary.
Are you sure your talking about OS Cause everybody i know thinks this game is horrible. Im glad they posted this. It's only stating the truth, and the fact that 2k owns the 3rd party license gets me even more upset. So it's ok to be the only company making baseball on the 360 and do a very bad job at it?? C-mon bro this is wack
 
# 46 ChaseB @ 03/20/08 05:28 PM
Just FYI this won't be the last negative MLB 2K article this week. We have one more that takes it from a different angle. We also have a positive article in the works as well since not the entire staff is in agreement on the average quality of the game.

Just thought you guys should know.
 
# 47 Amazin @ 03/20/08 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Slizeezyc
Just FYI this won't be the last negative MLB 2K article this week. We have one more that takes it from a different angle. We also have a positive article in the works as well since not the entire staff is in agreement on the average quality of the game.

Just thought you guys should know.
How about taking a look at the negative aspects that are in The Show? Both games have there flaws and strengths but The Show is not The Holy Grail as Operation Sports Dedicated To Sports Gaming would seem to make you believe.
 
# 48 Riotboy @ 03/20/08 05:41 PM
2k7 > 2k8 in my opinion and I agree with this article about how crappy the game is.
 
# 49 Amazin @ 03/20/08 05:43 PM
Can I have my money back for The Show for being boring, dull, and really nothing new from last year? I didn't think so. Oh well I'll just keep playing it.
 
# 50 CMH @ 03/20/08 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Art1bk
People will defend this game till the end and i dont know why. It's like people must become lawyers of a game company

I agree with you.

Haha, so it's wrong for someone to defend the game when they like it but when you or others say the game is terrible we're supposed to sit back and just nod in agreement?

Laughable.

The double standard here is hilarious.

Defend the game and you're a fanboy that doesn't know anything about baseball. But if you say you don't like the game then you're a genius? And when those that like the game call people on that then you guys turn it back on us.

Wow, OS. Wow.
 
# 51 thornie @ 03/20/08 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Art1bk
Are you sure your talking about OS Cause everybody i know thinks this game is horrible.
Maybe it's just everyone you know... According to this poll (http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ough-rate.html), posted a few weeks ago, 73% of 88 OSers rated the game 7.0 or above. That's far from horrible.
 
# 52 CMH @ 03/20/08 05:51 PM
The "everyone I know" argument is the second worst argument I've ever heard on these boards. It's just behind "you're just justifying your purchase."

Everyone I know happens to like MLB2k8.

So I'm not sure where either of us is really going with this since it really doesn't help you or me. So what's the point of even saying it?
 
# 53 CMH @ 03/20/08 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by baa7

And BTW, where did my controller go?? I think my cat took it and hid it because I won't feed him an hour early.
Get a dog so he can fetch it for you.
 
# 54 Bahnzo @ 03/20/08 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by thornie
Maybe it's just everyone you know... According to this poll (http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ough-rate.html), posted a few weeks ago, 73% of 88 OSers rated the game 7.0 or above. That's far from horrible.
I think it's misleading to accept the opinions of people excited to have the game and who haven't played it thoroughly as fact.

The more I play this game, the more I find wrong with it. When you add up the frame rate issues, the worthless online play, and all the niggling little bugs and things that just aren't right....it's becoming more and more clear that 2K needs to completely scrap this game and build a new one from the ground up.
 
# 55 CMH @ 03/20/08 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bahnzo
I think it's misleading to accept the opinions of people excited to have the game and who haven't played it thoroughly as fact.

The more I play this game, the more I find wrong with it. When you add up the frame rate issues, the worthless online play, and all the niggling little bugs and things that just aren't right....it's becoming more and more clear that 2K needs to completely scrap this game and build a new one from the ground up.

Funny you say that because if you look at the impressions most of the people that actually played it longer than say one game actually have found the good in the game and it's game play.

Seems to me that the misleading opinions are those that didn't play the game enough.

You, of course, are stating that you've played the game for a good while so that's a refreshing statement. Most of the negativity has been based on one play through or less than maybe 3 hours of play.
 
# 56 Bahnzo @ 03/20/08 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by YankeePride
Seems to me that the misleading opinions are those that didn't play the game enough.
I didn't say the opinions were misleading, but the poll was. It's an early poll that was put up right when the game was released and those are worthless to judge opinion from.
 
# 57 awesomepatrol @ 03/20/08 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by YankeePride
Funny you say that because if you look at the impressions most of the people that actually played it longer than say one game actually have found the good in the game and it's game play.

Seems to me that the misleading opinions are those that didn't play the game enough.

You, of course, are stating that you've played the game for a good while so that's a refreshing statement. Most of the negativity has been based on one play through or less than maybe 3 hours of play.
You're missing the point: the game is so broken that a lot of people don't even want to play it for 3 hours.

Word is 2K is "testing" the patch; I hope they test it more thoroughly than they "tested" the goddamn game before they sent it out the door.
 
# 58 Bahnzo @ 03/20/08 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by YankeePride
Funny you say that because if you look at the impressions most of the people that actually played it longer than say one game actually have found the good in the game and it's game play.
There is good in this game, but the more I play it, the more I wonder just what the hell they did all year. It really feels like they spent most of their time putting in new features instead of making a solid game of baseball. It makes me laugh when 2K says this year was gameplay and next year is presentation. Lets face it, they need to spend the next dev cycle on gameplay entirely. And bugfixing for that matter.

But I still think they really need to scrap the whole thing and start fresh. As much as 2K has been trying, you can never polish a turd.
 
# 59 spankdatazz22 @ 03/20/08 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Art1bk
Im really glad that OS does not care about pleasing fanboys. Im glad they gave this game exactly what it deserved a 6. This game went backwards. I gave up on 2k baseball. They make the best football and baseketball games but baseball is not on that level. I wouldnt be surprise or upset if they lose that 3rd party license.
As someone else said - it's the hypocrisy. If we're looking at the '08 sports titles, am I to believe that Madden is a better football game than MLB2K8 is a baseball game? That NBA Live '08 is a better basketball game than MLB2K8 is a baseball game? I'm not trying to pick on the EA games btw - there just seems to be selective criticism on display. It shouldn't be "we'll get Madden '09 if it sucks" - that's an entirely new calendar year game. And even I'd be shocked if the game didn't improve this coming year.

As I've been saying for years - but I was talking about IGN when I said it at the time - if one game is to be held to a certain standard, hold ALL the games to a certain standard. Don't be selective. There are people that say 2K8 has no redeeming value whatsoever, which is ridiculous imo. If you're disappointed because of the graphics, framerate, or whatever, fine. But as I said, I think if we're just comparing the baseball games, I think people would be disappointed with The Show '09 if 989 doesn't add new gameplay mechanics next year. That sentiment can be attributed at least in part to what 2K did right with 2K8. Can those same things be said about Madden or Live? I can't think of anything I'd take from Madden and add to APF - other than the licenses of course. Same with NBA2K8 versus Live '08. When I look at Madden, Live, etc. it's like the games get a pat on the back simply for not being as horrible as previous iterations.

No one's arguing that with the game's framerate issue and the hit in graphics if OS wants to give a 6, fine. I'm not a big baseball fan so I can't legitimately debate the game's pros and cons - but I don't see people talking of major gameplay issues, outside of the lack of steal attempts by the CPU and the need to tweak the sliders here or there. The animations are good/very good, they've apparently done a great job with the signature styles in the game, the player models are very well done - I just don't see where this game receives all the flack it does while other games that have been worse for longer get to skate.
 
# 60 awesomepatrol @ 03/20/08 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22
As someone else said - it's the hypocrisy.
What the hell is the matter with everyone that we're all so concerned about "bias" in video game reporting, etc?

Look, 2K8 sucks badly. It's got nothing to do with Madden or anything else. It's quite simple.

To everyone who is saying: "BUT TEH GAMEPLAY IS AWESOME" - please cut the ****. I don't care what new -- and pointless -- "features" they add when the game runs so poorly you can't actually use any of them.
 


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