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Can I Have my Money Back?

As daylight savings kicks in and the snow begins to melt it's starting to become evident that spring is in the air. And what comes with spring? Baseball. Unfortunately being an XBOX 360 owner leaves me few options when it comes to choosing a baseball game. In fact it leaves me with just one option: MLB 2K8.

Living in a city (Pittsburgh) which has woefully attempted to field a winning team for last 15 seasons has made my love for the game of baseball dwindle; not to mention everything else that has gone on with the sport in the last decade and a half. Still, every spring I get an itch, and it's not pollen related. The itch is for some digital baseball on my console.

Last year was the first year I spent with the 2K series, and while I enjoyed it enough to make it through a whole 162 game season, plus playoffs, I knew it could have been better. This is what I was hoping for when I recently started getting geared up for the newest rendition. This is not what I got at all, however.

Upon firing up the game for the first time I quickly realized that something was, well boring. I cannot think of a better way of saying that. The front end is lousy and dull, and everything presentation wise is more or less exactly the same as last year. Aesthetically speaking, I began to feel like I had just paid sixty dollars for a roster update, even though I still had to wait until Opening Day to download an up to date roster.

Commentary was exactly the same, especially after all those games I played last year. Honestly, how many times do I need to hear about, "PFP, Pitchers Fielding Practice", Joe Morgan?

Where is the groundbreaking presentation that placed 2K games above the bar for so many years? Replays and cut screens looked the same, well almost; there was that renowned stuttering issue to enjoy. In addition, animations and every other little nuance was pretty much exactly where I left it at the end of last summer. What a disappointment. How can I possibly be inspired to keep playing a game that got old seven or eight months ago?

Then I began to start disliking features that I liked in the previous year's game. The lineup card you can bring up during the pitcher batter interface was still there, but the writing was so small it was hard to read even when zoomed in. I am gaming on a 42-inch plasma, I should be able to read this stuff; I am still a relatively young guy here!

The one feature I really do like happens to be the 2K beats. This is where you can import any music you like, even streaming from your computer, to the game and have it play for all kinds of circumstances. This should be in every game!

That alone was the bright spot I found though. The game itself played mostly better as the new controls were inventive, and fun. Pitching takes too long to keep me interested though. It's a neat idea it just needs to be tightened up. Waiting for the catcher to give the sign and set up takes a little too long, and then just the act of pitching is pretty drawn out itself.

There is a better variety of hits which is nice, along with the new fielding mechanic being sound.

At the end of the day, however, all the new game mechanics can not make up for what this game lacks. The atmosphere is dull; graphics look bland; player models have taken a step back, physics are pretty weak again; and the overall experience was just lame. Even the lighting and weather just downright atrocious. And this isn’t even getting into all the bugs and problems I have encountered personally, or ones members in the forums have been complaining about. I'm talking about issues that have ranged from games freezing to gameplay errors and mishaps. It's exactly the type of problems I don't want out of a game that has no competition.

Maybe you can play this if you really love baseball and put in the time to tweak the sliders post-patch, I cannot though. Knowing that other games, like GTA, are coming out next month I don't see any reason to try and force myself to like this game.

It is just a boring game. A game I had already mastered last year; a game that I expected so much more out of; and mostly, a game that will sit on my shelf no matter what happens with baseball in this town.

Can I have my money back 2K?


Member Comments
# 181 DMB82 @ 03/29/08 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by roadman
Interesting version, but unfortunately, not a fact as others have pointed out.
Go back and read the press releases from when both deals were made. NFL shopped around an exclusive contract, EA was chosen. In return, 2K's feelings were hurt and threw more $ than they could afford at the MLB to get a 3rd party exclusive. Now they are hemmoraging cash and hopefully will cease as a company very soon.

This is fact and I challenge any of you to provide evidence this was not what actually happened. I remember the details behind these deals quite clearly.
 
# 182 bkrich83 @ 03/29/08 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by baa7
LOL. Not even close to what happened. We know it, and you do as well
Know what? That the NFL opened up the license for bid?
 
# 183 roadman @ 03/29/08 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DMB82
Go back and read the press releases from when both deals were made. NFL shopped around an exclusive contract, EA was chosen. In return, 2K's feelings were hurt and threw more $ than they could afford at the MLB to get a 3rd party exclusive. Now they are hemmoraging cash and hopefully will cease as a company very soon.

This is fact and I challenge any of you to provide evidence this was not what actually happened. I remember the details behind these deals quite clearly.
Your original quote mentioned the NFL approached EA only. The NFL approached 2k as well as EA. The one with the deeper pockets won out.

I'm sure MLB approached EA and 2k just as well. 2k threw more $ at MLB vs EA. Again, the highest bidder won.

Pretty much cut and dry.
 
# 184 DMB82 @ 03/31/08 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by roadman
Your original quote mentioned the NFL approached EA only. The NFL approached 2k as well as EA. The one with the deeper pockets won out.

I'm sure MLB approached EA and 2k just as well. 2k threw more $ at MLB vs EA. Again, the highest bidder won.

Pretty much cut and dry.
The MLB was NOT shopping their contract, 2K approached them after they lost the NFL contract. EA declined to match what 2K offered them because based on the absurdity of the amount of $ 2K was throwing at the MLB, they'd lose money on the deal like 2K is now. As much as we love baseball games, they aren't as lucrative to the developers as NFL games so the incentive wasn't there for EA to match.
 
# 185 spankdatazz22 @ 03/31/08 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DMB82
The MLB was NOT shopping their contract, 2K approached them after they lost the NFL contract. EA declined to match what 2K offered them because based on the absurdity of the amount of $ 2K was throwing at the MLB, they'd lose money on the deal like 2K is now. As much as we love baseball games, they aren't as lucrative to the developers as NFL games so the incentive wasn't there for EA to match.
You're not taking into account the climate at the time. It wasn't just the NFL deal that occurred; it was the NFL deal, then the NCAA, ESPN, and Arena League deals all in relatively quick succession. While most of this is theorizing on our part, it's a stretch to say it was some weird occurrance that all these deals happened at the same time without relating to each other in some way (namely, EA trying to drive competition out of the sports game business). Also taking into account EA already had the NASCAR and FIFA licenses exclusive, most of us understood that TT/2K needed to do something to just remain relevant.

If anything, they were criticized more because they didn't take the EA route and go for a pure exclusive as all of EA's exclusives were. I don't know how fiscally bad the MLB exclusive is for TT/2K (if it is), but it's forgotten that the MLB deal is far, far more consumer friendly than any of the other exclusive situations.

And to speak to the thread topic - isn't this the same dude that just wrote "NCAA '09 - A Reason for Hope"? What kind of joke is this? I'm not much of a knowledgeable baseball fan (or college football for that matter) but I think MLB2K8 is far more representative of the game of baseball than NCAA '08 is of college football particularly from a gameplay standpoint.
 
# 186 roadman @ 03/31/08 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DMB82
The MLB was NOT shopping their contract, 2K approached them after they lost the NFL contract. EA declined to match what 2K offered them because based on the absurdity of the amount of $ 2K was throwing at the MLB, they'd lose money on the deal like 2K is now. As much as we love baseball games, they aren't as lucrative to the developers as NFL games so the incentive wasn't there for EA to match.
So, wait, let's say your right. You did say EA did decline to match 2k, so, in other words, the MLB did ask all parties.

Just like football, MLB went to the highest bidder, whether EA thought it was worth it or not.

The above poster is correct, we have choices for baseball games, we don't for football games.
 
# 187 jaxpac @ 03/31/08 07:00 PM
"Pitching takes too long to keep me interested though. Waiting for the catcher to give the sign and set up takes a little too long, and then just the act of pitching is pretty drawn out itself."


This echoes my opinion of the pitching as well. Just too slow and random. It seems as if the Ai just decides randomly to swing or not and then the game randomly calculates contact or no contact. Location and type of pitch seemingly makes no difference.
 


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