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Can I Have my Money Back?

As daylight savings kicks in and the snow begins to melt it's starting to become evident that spring is in the air. And what comes with spring? Baseball. Unfortunately being an XBOX 360 owner leaves me few options when it comes to choosing a baseball game. In fact it leaves me with just one option: MLB 2K8.

Living in a city (Pittsburgh) which has woefully attempted to field a winning team for last 15 seasons has made my love for the game of baseball dwindle; not to mention everything else that has gone on with the sport in the last decade and a half. Still, every spring I get an itch, and it's not pollen related. The itch is for some digital baseball on my console.

Last year was the first year I spent with the 2K series, and while I enjoyed it enough to make it through a whole 162 game season, plus playoffs, I knew it could have been better. This is what I was hoping for when I recently started getting geared up for the newest rendition. This is not what I got at all, however.

Upon firing up the game for the first time I quickly realized that something was, well boring. I cannot think of a better way of saying that. The front end is lousy and dull, and everything presentation wise is more or less exactly the same as last year. Aesthetically speaking, I began to feel like I had just paid sixty dollars for a roster update, even though I still had to wait until Opening Day to download an up to date roster.

Commentary was exactly the same, especially after all those games I played last year. Honestly, how many times do I need to hear about, "PFP, Pitchers Fielding Practice", Joe Morgan?

Where is the groundbreaking presentation that placed 2K games above the bar for so many years? Replays and cut screens looked the same, well almost; there was that renowned stuttering issue to enjoy. In addition, animations and every other little nuance was pretty much exactly where I left it at the end of last summer. What a disappointment. How can I possibly be inspired to keep playing a game that got old seven or eight months ago?

Then I began to start disliking features that I liked in the previous year's game. The lineup card you can bring up during the pitcher batter interface was still there, but the writing was so small it was hard to read even when zoomed in. I am gaming on a 42-inch plasma, I should be able to read this stuff; I am still a relatively young guy here!

The one feature I really do like happens to be the 2K beats. This is where you can import any music you like, even streaming from your computer, to the game and have it play for all kinds of circumstances. This should be in every game!

That alone was the bright spot I found though. The game itself played mostly better as the new controls were inventive, and fun. Pitching takes too long to keep me interested though. It's a neat idea it just needs to be tightened up. Waiting for the catcher to give the sign and set up takes a little too long, and then just the act of pitching is pretty drawn out itself.

There is a better variety of hits which is nice, along with the new fielding mechanic being sound.

At the end of the day, however, all the new game mechanics can not make up for what this game lacks. The atmosphere is dull; graphics look bland; player models have taken a step back, physics are pretty weak again; and the overall experience was just lame. Even the lighting and weather just downright atrocious. And this isn’t even getting into all the bugs and problems I have encountered personally, or ones members in the forums have been complaining about. I'm talking about issues that have ranged from games freezing to gameplay errors and mishaps. It's exactly the type of problems I don't want out of a game that has no competition.

Maybe you can play this if you really love baseball and put in the time to tweak the sliders post-patch, I cannot though. Knowing that other games, like GTA, are coming out next month I don't see any reason to try and force myself to like this game.

It is just a boring game. A game I had already mastered last year; a game that I expected so much more out of; and mostly, a game that will sit on my shelf no matter what happens with baseball in this town.

Can I have my money back 2K?


Member Comments
# 21 Sportsforever @ 03/20/08 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ehh
Let's see, the things he touches on in this article, in order, are...

- Dull presentation
- The commentary is repetitive
- Lack of new replays and cut scenes
- Hard to read batter card
- Throws in that he likes 2K Beats

It takes the author until the NINTH paragraph to even mention the game play. NINTH! And outside of a brief paragraph discussing pitching and the fact that it "takes too long to do" he summarizes the game play as...



A few sentences on the pitching interface and then the above quote is all he has to say about the entire gameplay package in this game. That's it?!

I'm sorry, but this could possibly be the worst article I have ever seen posted on this site. I've said it a hundred times on this site, everyone complained last year that the gameplay was what need to be fixed from 2K7. So 2K goes out and does that and now every tears the other aspects of the games to shreds. Brutal.
I agree that this is one of the worst articles I have seen written on here. It's not even a review so much as "I feel like I was robbed of my $60 because the game is boring..." diatribe. He completely lost me when he said the new pitching mechanic "takes too long...". On the one hand we are crucifying the game for not feeling like a baseball game, but then we want to rush through things like pitching? If anything, the pitching this year is as fast or faster than last year. I'm not going to say his complaints are valid, and it was his $60 so he can complain if he wants, but this whole thing seemed more like one of the many whiney threads that have been started rather than an article for a sports gaming site.
 
# 22 roadman @ 03/20/08 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by maverick3176
Is it OS or is it 2K baseball...think about it. Why are they "picking on" this game.

The article hit on it so well. With all that he didnt even mention frame rate. But anyway, I dont think ANYONE should get their money back.

At this point 2K baseball makes bad game more consistly than good games., so anyone who bought it without getting a review or without reading the boards was foolish. You could smell this coming a mile away. That is why many paid $460 to have more choices
Why do we need to read reviews and boards to make our decision? Do you read movie reviews, CD reviews before you make a decision to buy something? If i tried that philosophy, I'd miss out on a lot of great movies and music just because of one person's opinion. And that's all reviews are, opinions, not fact. Same with this article, opinion, not fact.
 
# 23 CS10029 @ 03/20/08 03:55 PM
I don't see why his article should be posted for the site to see./ Why nnot post some of the things Ive said.
 
# 24 ILLCHILL @ 03/20/08 03:56 PM
Hmmm, I'm gonna have to say the only thing that was 'dull and boring' was this article. Goodness not only the content, but the way it was written. Blah

That being said, he makes ssoooommmee good points but nothing ground-breaking. I agree with the other guy, who the hell stole your money? Just rent the damn thing next time.
 
# 25 goheat @ 03/20/08 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sportsforever
If $60 means that much to someone, IMO they shouldn't be buying video games or they should be renting before they purchase. Just my opinion though...
Amen. And Go Gators!
 
# 26 gta95 @ 03/20/08 04:04 PM
$60 is a lot of money to spend on a video game. Factor in the price of the console, TV, electricity, and time. Gaming comes out to be an expensive hobby. When I spend $60, I expect atleast a halfway decent game.
 
# 27 Shockgeez04 @ 03/20/08 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gta95
$60 is a lot of money to spend on a video game. Factor in the price of the console, TV, electricity, and time. Gaming comes out to be an expensive hobby. When I spend $60, I expect at least a halfway decent game.
you are going overboard by implying 2K8 isnt even halfway decent, even if its not a better game than The Show I still find it plays a good game of baseball with very few slider tweaks
 
# 28 CS10029 @ 03/20/08 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by aka_HorseChoker
You ever come to think that maybe they are bashing the game because,you know,it isn't very good. Of course if it were an EA Sports game,you would have agreed with every point the guy made.
Haha are you kidding me. I still try out EA sports games. I love the NHL game and NCAA is decent. MLB could be better, the same thing with the EA games, but the quality of 2Ks games to that of EAs differs drastically.

I just don't get why this article needs to be posted, when for the most part the people of this site like the game. Im sure this article had to be approved by someone, and I just don't see why its necessary.
 
# 29 Star1 @ 03/20/08 04:19 PM
Refund?

Dude should have rented it first...

Nobody owes him d***.
 
# 30 Blzer @ 03/20/08 04:22 PM
I am one of the people that felt like this game was going to be a major letdown. I read the impressions the first day, and thought to myself, "Crap, what did you guys do, 2K?"

Then I downloaded the demo and played the game...

The gameplay is so much better than last year. Now hitting, pitching, fielding, and baserunning aren't actually a chore to make your own sacrifices to make the game harder for yourself. For instance, closing your eyes to move the ball cursor while pitching to miss your spots sometimes; not ever holding up on the left-analog stick while batting to prevent HR derbies; tapping the throwing meter instead of holding it every time while throwing to reduce the ball velocity just a little bit; using baseburner mode to try and steal runners with less ease. We shouldn't have to have these stupid fixes just to address gameplay issues.

And now the four fundamentals have not only been resolved for the most part, but they have become fun. Don't tell me that pitching isn't more fun with the new controls, that batting is more dynamic and smoother with 60 FPS, that right-stick throwing and using cut-offs to throw runners out now feel rewarding. Gameplay issues have, for the most part, been addressed and resolved, and now people are showing their true colors. It seems as through visuals and presentation was more important to you guys than you once thought. Take a look at the MLB 2K8 wishlist thread and read how many "Fix gameplay!" posts there are. They do it, and we still complain that 2K8 wasn't a step in the right direction.

As for me? I am a major graphics whore. I am very disappointed in the overall detail, color, and lighting... but I would take that kind of hit for 60 FPS and anti-aliasing eight days a week. Hopefully next year they can be heavily improved on. But I don't think Brinkman gave us any false hope this year. He was very outright with all of the things he said, and I think we got what we were told we were going to get.

It's not necessarily that the series took a step back. In some ways, I do think that it did... but only to jump back forward again in the future. I don't know jack about memory, processing power, or anything like that, but if the 360 version is holding the PS3 version back, I say they screw the 360 like they did the PS2, and go as much as they can with the PS3 version when they will have to limit themselves with the 360 version. Only then, hopefully we will find where this series wants to be with 2K9. Most fundamental gameplay issues have been resolved... now let's pretty up this series again. I still have faith in this series, but I think 2K9 is their last chance for me. If they aren't going in the right direction by then, then I will have lost all hope.




EDIT: If there was one thing they did wrong this year (not necessarily in terms of development, but something I think they could have held back on), it's the playable minor leagues. I think that could have waited a year or two, but that's just me. I have yet to play the retail version (only the demo), so I can't speak first-hand on how cool they are in the game. But the lack of many generic stances doesn't excite me too much.
 
# 31 awesomepatrol @ 03/20/08 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Blzer
EDIT: If there was one thing they did wrong this year (not necessarily in terms of development, but something I think they could have held back on), it's the playable minor leagues. I think that could have waited a year or two, but that's just me. I have yet to play the retail version (only the demo), so I can't speak first-hand on how cool they are in the game. But the lack of many generic stances doesn't excite me too much.
Wait, so you've launched into this lengthy diatribe defending the game and you have, you know, yet to actually play it?

Because I can tell you, it ain't running at 60fps. It's more like (60 - 55) fps.
 
# 32 CS10029 @ 03/20/08 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by awesomepatrol
Wait, so you've launched into this lengthy diatribe defending the game and you have, you know, yet to actually play it?

Because I can tell you, it ain't running at 60fps. It's more like (60 - 55) fps.
You obviously know very little about seeing.
 
# 33 awesomepatrol @ 03/20/08 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CS10029
You obviously know very little about seeing.
Indeed. Me and all of the hundreds of posters -- and, in fact, 2K themselves -- who have acknowledged this patent flaw.

We must all be EA shills.
 
# 34 CS10029 @ 03/20/08 05:01 PM
Do you realize what 5 FPS would look like? Honestly come on.
 
# 35 Artman22 @ 03/20/08 05:06 PM
I completely agree with the article. This game went completely backwards. The game deserves a 5 not even a 6. The player models are horrible. They have small heads that dont go with the bodys at all. This game is a complete disapointment. People need to stop being fanboys. I love 2k but this game is bad. 2k6 to 2k7 imo was a big jump. 2k7 to 2k8 went backwards. Fanboys will defend this game to the end. It's sad that people wont accept that this game is just not good, And this is coming from a guy who liked 2k7.
 
# 36 spankdatazz22 @ 03/20/08 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by arseniotall
I hope they bash Madden like this when it comes out.
Yeah it's the new OS - had to double check to make sure I wasn't at IGN at first.

Madden'll never get bashed; if this were in the Madden forum it'd have to be placed in the all-encompassing "place your bad comments here" thread. Besides Madden has had four years to get it right - and will get longer if necessary. Madden's bar is simply to be better than it was the year before, not to be the best it should be (EA at it's most clever - make the game suck the first year; they'll appreciate half-azzed games in subsequent years).

As far as a refund goes... guess I'm shocked at how little improvements in gameplay mean nowadays. And I'd say the gameplay enhancements were fairly significant. Even with as great as I've heard The Show is this year, I think there would be disappointment if they didn't make some gameplay changes next year. It could be argued those changes would come anyway because of the title evolving, but I think a fairly significant reason would be because of what 2K8 did with it's control changes to liven up it's gameplay.
 
# 37 CS10029 @ 03/20/08 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by baa7
That's a BAD example to use to if you're trying to plug the game. The commentary is years old, hasn't been updated since 2K5, is buggy and wrong a good portion of the time and thanks to Joe is irrelevent much of the time, and doesn't track in-game hitting events or seasonal hitting streaks. That other game probably has a dozen event sound files for every one that's in 2K. If we're talking ratings, 2K's commentary is a 2 or 3 compared with The Show's 10.
Ill agree there, the commentary is tough to listen to most of the time, if not all the time. I've learned to block them out though.
 
# 38 Blzer @ 03/20/08 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by awesomepatrol
Wait, so you've launched into this lengthy diatribe defending the game and you have, you know, yet to actually play it?

Because I can tell you, it ain't running at 60fps. It's more like (60 - 55) fps.
The batting and pitching cameras seem to have a steady 60 FPS framerate. In the field, there is a daringly awful chop that I see every quarter-second as the camera pans across the field for throws or hits, but that doesn't seem like a framerate issue.

I only say that because, if you go into replay mode and let it play in regular motion, you won't see that hiccup. I think what happens is, in-game, the game tries to mimic a "camera delay" as if it's trailing the ball only by a little bit, but then it locks and re-centers every so often, giving it that terrible look of what could perhaps be a framerate issue. But I don't think it is the framerate that is really dropping.

Nevertheless, in between, it seems to be running at 60 FPS. If the patch improves this, then more to us. If not, then it's something we have to look forward to being fixed next year. If not then, we can say goodbye to this series.



But I hope you weren't calling me out in a way that maybe I don't have a keen eye for visual degradations. I know of people on this site that though MLB 2K7 was running just smoothly and didn't have any jaggies. I hope that, after playing MLB 2K8, they finally can see what issues MLB 2K7 had in those departments. An a game that isn't running smoothly or that isn't clean around the edges normally doesn't get a passing grade in my book.

BTW like I said, I haven't played the retail version. Supposedly the issue you're talking about is worse in retail, so what I'm seeing in the demo is only a slight issue compared to what you guys have. Obviously, that's why I didn't buy this game.
 
# 39 awesomepatrol @ 03/20/08 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Blzer

BTW like I said, I haven't played the retail version. Supposedly the issue you're talking about is worse in retail, so what I'm seeing in the demo is only a slight issue compared to what you guys have. Obviously, that's why I didn't buy this game.
Correct, everything you said above this is 100% inaccurate about the full retail game. Hysterically, the demo isn't plagued by this problem.
 
# 40 queensbomber @ 03/20/08 05:13 PM
I personally agree. Having played both games this year, I was really really dissapointed with 2K8. Waiting anxiously for it this year again and it was a big let down. Just as he said, "Boring!". The fielding controls were the ONLY bright spot for me in this game. Pitching did feel like a chore to me.
Again, this is my personal opinion, the dudes that are into 2K8 well, more power to them. Me personally have switched to the show and Im satisfied.
 


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