MLB The Show 17 News Post

MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Presentation & Commentary

05:40 PM - March 2, 2017 by Steve_OS

The MLB The Show 17 Twitch stream has started, as they go over the presentation and commentary in the game and much more. We will update this post with the archive link when it's over. Feel free to post your thoughts!

We will update this post w/ an archive link when it's over. Post your thoughts!

UPDATE: Here is the link to the archive.

Game: MLB The Show 17Hype Score: 9/10 - Vote Now
Platform: PS4Votes for game: 36 - View All

Member Comments

# 201 KnightTemplar @ 03/04/17 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beau21


	Agreed. So many things are done in this game to create a real sense of immersion, but when the between-pitches sequences are skipped, that really breaks the immersion for me. I understand that they wanted to speed the game up, but I wish they would have left it in and turned it off by default then. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Agree 1000%. Would love to have the option to watch the catcher throw the ball back to the pitcher every time. If someone wants to speed the game up, isn't there FAST PLAY already?

# 202 tnixen @ 03/04/17 10:47 AM

This is is how I want the Commentary to sound in MLB The Show!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFY8ZZtKzM

Why can't they get this done??????

Yes I know it's not perfect but it sounds so much more like a real life broadcast compared to MLB The Show 17! These 3 guys really sound like they are in the same booth together at all times. And unlike MLB The Show 17 these guys are having conversations with each other though out the whole game.

Makes me so sad because MLB The Show is such a fantastic baseball game but the one thing they just can not get right is the Commentary. 2k Commentary has improved even more now with NBA 2K.

I would love to know what the MLB The Show developers think of 2K's Commentary and if there goal is to not only get MLB The Show Commentary on the same level but surpass it.

# 203 underdog13 @ 03/04/17 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnixen


	This is is how I want the Commentary to sound in MLB The Show!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFY8ZZtKzM Why can't they get this done?????? Yes I know it's not perfect but it sounds so much more like a real life broadcast compared to MLB The Show 17! These 3 guys really sound like they are in the same booth together at all times. And unlike MLB The Show 17 these guys are having conversations with each other though out the whole game. Makes me so sad because MLB The Show is such a fantastic baseball game but the one thing they just can not get right is the Commentary.

They are so fluid when they talk it's incredible.

Although I would hate having to always here about Shin shoo choo being the man from South Korea.

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

# 204 tnixen @ 03/04/17 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by underdog13


	They are so fluid when they talk it's incredible. Although I would hate having to always here about Shin shoo choo being the man from South Korea. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

That's one of the biggest issues if not the biggest with MLB The Show 17 and all earlier versions it does not sound fluid enough! Like I already said MLB 2K's Commentary is definitely not perfect but remember it's also now a 3 or 4 year old game.

I am sure if MLB 2K17 was being released the Commentary would be mind blowing at this point.

Also I love that you here a woman from a studio talking about the match up before you enter the game. Now that they have MLB Network something like that should also be in MLB The Show!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIGFOO4ijZs

Or if you go back to MLB 2K7 you even see outside shots of the stadium and fans walking around stadium Concourse. Hard to believe this was done 10 years ago and MLB The Show still has nothing like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj-92WP6NB8&t=472s

# 205 My993C2 @ 03/04/17 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnixen


	Or if you go back to MLB 2K7 you even see outside shots of the stadium and fans walking around stadium Concourse. Hard to believe this was done 10 years ago and MLB The Show still has nothing like it

MLB 2k7 had some good pre-game coverage that's for sure. Plus when you paused the game, often they would show some cool panoramic shots of the stadiums and it wasn't always the same shot. Each stadium had 3 or 4 different panoramic shots to choose from.

# 206 thaSLAB @ 03/04/17 12:13 PM

You could always buy and play (listen to) those games too. While commentary is a strong point, there are many reasons that game is no longer being made.

One thing I will say though is, in The Show, I have always done some equalization of audio using the sliders provided. That is, turning the crowd noise, SotS and the PA announcer up and the announcers down a bit. That goes a long way towards improving the ballpark atmosphere and sound.

Sent from my htc 10 using Tapatalk

# 207 Blzer @ 03/04/17 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnixen


	This is is how I want the Commentary to sound in MLB The Show!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFY8ZZtKzM Why can't they get this done?????? Yes I know it's not perfect but it sounds so much more like a real life broadcast compared to MLB The Show 17! These 3 guys really sound like they are in the same booth together at all times. And unlike MLB The Show 17 these guys are having conversations with each other though out the whole game. Makes me so sad because MLB The Show is such a fantastic baseball game but the one thing they just can not get right is the Commentary. 2k Commentary has improved even more now with NBA 2K. I would love to know what the MLB The Show developers think of 2K's Commentary and if there goal is to not only get MLB The Show Commentary on the same level but surpass it.

I guess I have lots to say, so let's get to it.

We could like MLB 2K's commentary for a variety of reasons, even though there are some things that still technically hold it back as well. John and Steve sometimes sound like they're reading lines as well, but it still feels organic because they are whipping strong points across and they feed off each other. Also, yeah regarding the Choo line, I wonder how many times you would hear that in franchise. Gary also has that very natural "announcer" sound to his voice, so he almost gets a free pass that way.

Anyway, 2K game runs much "faster" between pitches so there isn't enough dead air to compare to the Show franchise. That's why when I did that one Show video with 2K commentary some insertions were just to fill voids of silence. That's not to say silence is a bad thing though, either. There are times when I have heard the Cubs announcers go three or four straight pitches without so much as a sniffle, much less say any words during that time. Do I want that? Probably not haha, but I like the feel of more conversations (something that can be generally stitched together, like Steve mentioning a guy was 0-for-8, then Kruk stating that out of the leadoff hole [Crisp] had to do a better job to get things going) would go a long way, instead of just describing the action or having conversations be specifically tied to a player. Great night skies in that video, too.

Someone earlier in this thread brought up a good point that Matty V. is delivering too much color commentary when he has two other guys to say some of the things that he is. Even back to the "swinging a garden hose" days, those could still be provided by Harold or Dan. He mentioned that the Showtrack portion could simply be provided by the other two. These days, it's just taking that color aspect that Matt is already saying in his lines and inserting them for the other two. They don't even need to be big lines! We could have a dialogue that goes like this:

Matt: "Lines it! ... but there's Wright. One out."
Harold: (2 sec later) "That was scorched."
Dan: (1 sec later) "Got the inside pitch he wanted, just not the result."
Harold: "I bet he'll want that one back." (pause) "Still early on in the game, he's got another shot."
Dan: "Doubt he'll get it again..."
Matt: "Here's Werth now."

Just subtle things here and there. Each line may happen or may not happen. Obviously much of this could be stitched together depending on the situation. Instead of saying it was scorched, Reynolds also might say it just missed the sweet spot, too much top spin, ran up his hands a bit, etc. Plesac might be mentioning the pitch being outside instead of inside, the count leverage he had, the pitch type that it was, etc. Harold might inform that it's probably a bit too late in the game to get that chance again, or he'll likely see another pitcher next time so he can't adjust, or say that his approach may have to change depending on the situation. It's neither overly elaborate nor articulate, it gets the point across, but especially it allows the other two to get many talking points.

By the way, that "pause" part I had for Harold is big for two reasons, the second one being the bigger one: 1) they have to conjure their statements in their head at times before saying them; 2) this can allow for longer segments of somebody saying something, but in a larger variety of ways. Reynolds' description of Harper unfortunately will not only be tied to him and be mentioned time and again, but it's also just one long take. Those parts aren't broken up so he can say certain parts for Harper only, or use them for somebody else. There is another part in this video where Reynolds is describing the Nationals, saying:

"Matt, they're on one of those hot streaks, I mean everything is going right for them. They're playing great baseball right now. I mean timely hitting, the bullpen is coming through, it looks like they're rested... they're doing the things they need to do to be a winning club right now."

We could Madlibs the hell out of this one very long take in the underlined portions, and fill in hundreds of different words there. That's a little different than the pausing thing I was referring to, but this is an example of matching things with the data, and every time feeling like a different line. Again, the longer the line is itself without any stop-gaps or insertions, the more repetitive commentary will always sound. Now I'm not saying 2K did this right either. In fact, they may be even worse. This is strictly a suggestion for any sports game trying to improve their commentary. I only hope if done this way, it would sound fluid enough.

Last point about Matt (and perhaps the other two) that kind of contradicts what other people have said earlier in this thread, but as much as he "doesn't get excited" about certain things, he gets perhaps a bit too overly exaggerative for certain pitches brushing back batters, just missing the plate, going "WAAYYY outside" even if it only missed by half a foot, etc. I think they have improved on that commentary over the years actually, now that I think about it. I'm just banking off my previous point that commentary that is more subtle normally won't get too recognized for being repetitive, even though it ironically may be more repetitive.

For instance, in basketball there are only so many ways you can say that somebody passes the ball to somebody else, that as long as you're not always saying "Ol�s it to Parker," you won't be upset about what they say or don't say, as you don't have to mention something for every pass. Same is true for baseball and a pitch that comes in. Matt can just say: "Misses," or: "One ball, two strikes." And yes, I mean that as actionable commentary for the pitch itself. Maybe he says nothing and Harold goes: "Hoo! Close one." There is just still a long way to go, and honestly I do think it starts with deleting a lot of Matt's old lines.

I have a suggestion: I know they can't take lines from their real in-game commentaries (don't know how often Reynolds and Plesac actually do commentary anyway), not to mention it wouldn't work well for how they have to stitch it in their algorithm... but if the SDS audio crew does take those lines, instead of having the boys read it off a script, play it back for them and ask them to mimic it. Now it won't sound like they're reading a script. Take thousands of small bits of this commentary. That's the key. The EA guys tried something for the NHL series where Doc Emrick and Eddie Olczyk were watching gameplay as they recorded their lines. Don't know if that bodes well for the developers, but it's a nice strategy as well.

Oh, and speaking of strategy and commentary (I don't believe anyone mentioned this yet)... in the Twitch stream video, chief baseballogist Michael Compton slipped a little Pepper Brooks for us on the Asdrubal Cabrera home run. It was hard to hear because the others were talking and he split his line, but he said: "It's a bold move leading off with him...... leading off with Cabrera paid off." Classic!

# 208 knich @ 03/04/17 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnixen


	This is is how I want the Commentary to sound in MLB The Show!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFY8ZZtKzM Why can't they get this done?????? Yes I know it's not perfect but it sounds so much more like a real life broadcast compared to MLB The Show 17! These 3 guys really sound like they are in the same booth together at all times. And unlike MLB The Show 17 these guys are having conversations with each other though out the whole game. Makes me so sad because MLB The Show is such a fantastic baseball game but the one thing they just can not get right is the Commentary. 2k Commentary has improved even more now with NBA 2K. I would love to know what the MLB The Show developers think of 2K's Commentary and if there goal is to not only get MLB The Show Commentary on the same level but surpass it.

Love the stadium ambiance and the franchise stats and overlays. I particularly like the overlays where shows how batter fared in last game against x team and how the batter has fared playing in a particular stadium. Also how efficient a pitcher has been, etc. Just lots of "little things" that add so much to the game. Has SDS ever answered why IE is not in franchise mode? And yes the announcing is amazing!

# 209 JustSteve @ 03/04/17 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blzer


	Which reminds me, I pine for the day of either getting a real announcer for HRD (instead of the PA guy), or have the PA guy have "tags" as well for his calls in HRD.

Pine no more.

# 210 jimmy13 @ 03/04/17 03:29 PM

Please don't destroy me with hateful comments for pointing out a simple fix. For those of you that complain about the nationals jersey color looking off, or the grass looking washed out etc... this was bothering me too in the past and I've found that if I simply make a few minor tweaks to my tvs picture menu, for the most part these problems are fixed. I'm at work now l, but I can and will post picture or video later

# 211 Numnizzle @ 03/04/17 04:06 PM

I didnt read through all of the posts but one little thing Id like to see is the shadow under the hat when players are putting a hat on. It looks off still. Hopefully this will be fixed

# 212 WaitTilNextYear @ 03/04/17 05:06 PM

Just got a chance to watch the whole stream through uninterrupted. I have to say that I am very impressed.

Pros
-Why aren't more people excited about the stadium tagging? That's a really cool feature. Imagine you're chising as the Cubs and Matt V notes that the ball went onto Sheffield Ave. A hugely immersive tidbit for the home team.

-I find the StatCast stuff to be a great addition and really well done. We got to see an 84 mph toss from Brandon Crawford ranging toward the middle whereas Tulowitzki was in the 70s jumping away from the throw in a previous stream. The numbers seem to be fairly accurate even if some of the exit velocities might be inflated. Route accuracy and hang time are pretty cool ones to include as well.

-The living batter-vs-pitcher matchup stats are an incredible addition for the franchise player. I would like to see them go even further and allow you to display this info before a game to help set lineups.

-One of the devs (Mike Compton?) answered a question about them working on commentary for playoff games and key moments..he said "yes, there's quite a bit of new content there and, umm, we don't want to show it all off..."

-I thought both Reynolds and Plesac sounded good. I disagree with some people saying that Plesac never really talked much. Listen to the whole stream and you hear him chime in frequently.

-New outros.

Cons
-I saw the leaning outfield catch animation when Cespedes caught the final out of the 1st inning. That was my 2nd least favorite animation (after the suction into the wall) because it is way overused.

# 213 bcruise @ 03/04/17 05:11 PM

Obviously this won't be in the game this year, but technology doesn't stand still. Catch Probability in Statcast for 2017:

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/217802...lity-for-2017/

# 214 bcruise @ 03/04/17 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear


	Just got a chance to watch the whole stream through uninterrupted. I have to say that I am very impressed. Pros -Why aren't more people excited about the stadium tagging? That's a really cool feature. Imagine you're chising as the Cubs and Matt V notes that the ball went onto Sheffield Ave. A hugely immersive tidbit for the home team. -I find the StatCast stuff to be a great addition and really well done. We got to see an 84 mph toss from Brandon Crawford ranging toward the middle whereas Tulowitzki was in the 70s jumping away from the throw in a previous stream. The numbers seem to be fairly accurate even if some of the exit velocities might be inflated. Route accuracy and hang time are pretty cool ones to include as well. -The living batter-vs-pitcher matchup stats are an incredible addition for the franchise player. I would like to see them go even further and allow you to display this info before a game to help set lineups. -One of the devs (Mike Compton?) answered a question about them working on commentary for playoff games and key moments..he said "yes, there's quite a bit of new content there and, umm, we don't want to show it all off..." -I thought both Reynolds and Plesac sounded good. I disagree with some people saying that Plesac never really talked much. Listen to the whole stream and you hear him chime in frequently. -New outros. Cons -I saw the leaning outfield catch animation when Cespedes caught the final out of the 1st inning. That was my 2nd least favorite animation (after the suction into the wall) because it is way overused.

Agree with all of the above. People are really sleeping on Stadium tagging. It's probably because we only got to hear one example of it. I didn't think it was that big a thing until I watched Millennium's breakdown of it - he covers a lot of the possibilities for it really well. Showing us the stadium meshes in the stream was a pretty technical thing and there's probably a lot of people who didn't understand it.

# 215 My993C2 @ 03/04/17 05:55 PM

Regarding the stadium tagging (which is a cool addition), I am curious if the balls that hit off the metal out of town score board at Fenway Park's Green Monster will resonate with a loud metal "twang" like they do in the real world. Last year I played the season with the Sox and was disappointed that there was no difference in the sound regarding what part of the Green Monster the ball hit. Perhaps I played with the Sox one year too soon?

# 216 bcruise @ 03/04/17 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by My993C2


	Regarding the stadium tagging (which is a cool addition), I am curious if the balls that hit off the metal out of town score board at Fenway Park's Green Monster will resonate with a loud metal "twang" like they do in the real world. Last year I played the season with the Sox and was disappointed that there was no difference in the sound regarding what part of the Green Monster the ball hit. Perhaps I played with the Sox one year too soon?

That's actually a good question, and while I can't give a yes or no (I don't know, I'm in the same position as you), it's something we might be able to infer from what we were shown in the stream. This goes into the stadium meshes I was talking about, and it's a good opportunity to explain it.

Notice how the top half of the monster (not including the seats, I mean the wall itself) is colored differently from the bottom half? Those are two different meshes and the game engine sees them as two different surfaces. That means that they can trigger different effects. Like, say, if a ball hits one of them. Just like Matt can now tell when a ball landed on Sheffield Avenue in Wrigley, the game has knowledge of exactly what surface the ball is striking on the Green Monster, and yes - theoretically could make a more metallic sound when striking the lower half of the board. Matt might even be able to say it hit off the scoreboard.

It's important to note this is only possibility - we won't likely know if it does these things unless devs tell us or we see it in the game. But this stadium tagging thing is the framework for things like that to happen. That's why those of us who understand it are really excited about said possibilities.

# 217 jeffy777 @ 03/04/17 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnixen


	That's one of the biggest issues if not the biggest with MLB The Show 17 and all earlier versions it does not sound fluid enough! Like I already said MLB 2K's Commentary is definitely not perfect but remember it's also now a 3 or 4 year old game. I am sure if MLB 2K17 was being released the Commentary would be mind blowing at this point. Also I love that you here a woman from a studio talking about the match up before you enter the game. Now that they have MLB Network something like that should also be in MLB The Show! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIGFOO4ijZs Or if you go back to MLB 2K7 you even see outside shots of the stadium and fans walking around stadium Concourse. Hard to believe this was done 10 years ago and MLB The Show still has nothing like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj-92WP6NB8&t=472s

Quote:

Originally Posted by My993C2


	MLB 2k7 had some good pre-game coverage that's for sure. Plus when you paused the game, often they would show some cool panoramic shots of the stadiums and it wasn't always the same shot. Each stadium had 3 or 4 different panoramic shots to choose from.

Yes, 2K7 was very polished for its time. Would love to see pre-game stuff like that in The Show.

# 218 jw9036 @ 03/04/17 07:14 PM

Matt Vasgersian's real life commentary is very exciting!! but he's boring in the game. Why?! T.T

- NBA 2K -

- EA MADDEN NFL -

- EA NHL -

# 219 knich @ 03/04/17 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jw9036


	Matt Vasgersian's real life commentary is very exciting!! but he's boring in the game. Why?! T.T - NBA 2K - - EA MADDEN NFL - - EA NHL -

Thanks for this. Hockey still has a ways to go. Ferraro is horrible and repetitive and does not feel part of broadcast. Doc and Eddie are pretty good but way too many repetitive lines.

# 220 videobastard @ 03/04/17 09:52 PM

I was asking and hoping for gary thorne and harold reynolds years ago. Gary thorne's commentary sounds more fluid and comes off like he was talking in a real life game. At least reynolds is in. Once the developers said matt is here to stay, it became more about only replacing the other commentators unfortunately.

« Previous 1 2…8 9 101112 13 14…18 19 Next »

More Links

MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Presentation & Commentary