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MLB The Show 16 OSFM HYBRID V1 Roster Available Now

08:06 PM - May 23, 2016 by Willard76

Alright, after many months of hard work, mostly by others not named me, we are very proud to announce the release of the 2016 OSFM HYBRID V1 - under psn - Crapinmyshoe

This year has been a special project as it was built around my son receiving his long awaited liver transplant and before I get into specifics about the roster, I would like to get thanks to our team, especially Waittilnextyear who engineered the majority of this year's edition, teeds who we also welcomed back into the fold and contributed many new faces as well as many quality control corrections, Cultbuscus who really got this thing back onto it's feet and basically gathered our team together this year, Totte who was our master of OD backdate as well as quality control, God of Nugget and Blobloblah who did a lot of the tedious work for us as well as the late Dr Illinios who managed to get himself banned from the site but still contributed.

If anyone is interested in making a donation towards the creation of this roster, I would appreciate donations made to Ronald McDonald House Toronto where I did the bulk of my work on the roster this year while my little guy recovered.

ROSTER DETAILS

This is a 40 man roster that contains the following edits;
Full roster rerate (no player untouched)
Pitch Edits from WTNY
OD roster for all MLB clubs and close for AAA and AA
No carry over stats for rookies except for Kyle Higashioka
New Faces and players added to the OSFM V1.5
Equipment edits where info was made available
Accurate Opening Day MLB lineups
Proper positioning according to Baseball Reference
So much more, you need to download and use it to believe

This roster is intended for 30 Team Control but can be played with Single Team.

You will not find another roster that plays as accurate to true life, I hate making claims like this but it is true.

Please rate the roster so non OS users will know it's worth, and most importantly enjoy it for what it is - a great baseball game roster.

WILLARD

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# 241 Garrett59 @ 05/29/16 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cwhalx23


	Willard can you create blue jays prospect jeremy gabryszwski in AA he having solid season.Willard did you create blue jays prospect shane dawson if not can you upload your version of him.

Jays look solid.

# 242 sky63 @ 05/29/16 05:34 PM

hello, apologies is this already asked and answered, i was looking and see some guys I'm think they suppose to be the utility guys for some teams and now they only show few second positions, for example brock holt, are this is a mistake that mess up the second positions or this was modified the way they are now, just asking because i don't have my utility guy anymore.....

# 243 WaitTilNextYear @ 05/29/16 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sky63


	hello, apologies is this already asked and answered, i was looking and see some guys I'm think they suppose to be the utility guys for some teams and now they only show few second positions, for example brock holt, are this is a mistake that mess up the second positions or this was modified the way they are now, just asking because i don't have my utility guy anymore.....

Yes, this has been addressed 4 or 5 times already. Some utility players have had their eligibilities reduced a bit. My advice is give Holt LF/INF and then set his primary to RF if you ever want to give Mookie a day off and play him there.

# 244 DSzymborski @ 05/29/16 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear


	I don't know, ZiPS and Steamer tend to exhibit nearly the same predictive value. You can cross check one with the other and it's striking how similar they can be. The reason I switched from ZiPS to Steamer about a year ago is because Dan Szymborski's developed something of a grating personality.

I developed that more than 30 years ago!

# 245 WaitTilNextYear @ 05/30/16 12:44 AM

LOL. Developed the personality or the projection systems? Sorry, I should just keep my mouth shut from now on, ha.

On a serious note, thanks for all you do with projections. They've been a big part of making this game play like it should and the modding community has used them (free of charge I might add) for many years in some form or fashion. Now if you could just upload your projections w/splits earlier in the year or have FanGraphs add them to your main page there...........

# 246 No.27 @ 05/30/16 04:14 AM

WTNY looks like you managed to prod Dan out of a 3 year posting hibernation. Good to see him back! His work and yours have taken this game to another level in the past couple of years. It's much appreciated.

# 247 DSzymborski @ 05/30/16 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear


	LOL. Developed the personality or the projection systems? Sorry, I should just keep my mouth shut from now on, ha. On a serious note, thanks for all you do with projections. They've been a big part of making this game play like it should and the modding community has used them (free of charge I might add) for many years in some form or fashion. Now if you could just upload your projections w/splits earlier in the year or have FanGraphs add them to your main page there...........

Personality! lol. No worries, I'm a big boy and can handle criticism. I also recognize that I'm an obnoxious, thoroughly ridiculous individual and there are always people that will find me grating. Comes with the job!

Should probably address one thing in the thread. You'll sometimes see a weird split, especially in very small statistics because for FanGraphs presentation, I *round* the numbers. So if you have a say, a pitcher that ZiPS is projected to a very few number of innings, you'll sometimes get a wacky presented rate because 0.6 projected HR in, like 20 inning but rounded to 1 is a tremendous difference.

I tried early on to show the "true" rates, but then people got mad when they calculated rates from the presented raw rounded stats and they didn't match the real ones and freaked out about that. Explaining to people how a pitcher projected for 4 ER in 9 IP could have a projected ERA of 3.65 or something got people very mad, so I do it this way instead.

As for Odubel Herrera, ZiPS uses PBP data in both majors and minors and I was also surprised by his BABIP projection before the season. But really, given that it projected him to have a very high BABIP anyway, I'm not upset with how the projection has turned out.

Sometimes when ZiPS surprises me, I'm the one that ends up wrong. I spent half the preseason saying that Clevenger would crush his ZiPS and while it's very early, ZiPS is certainly beating me at that projection.

One thing that also should be noted is that in-season regression appears to be less than season-to-season regression as the data strongly support a kind of "stickiness" to some things that are harder to maintain over, for example, three or four seasons.

# 248 WaitTilNextYear @ 05/30/16 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DSzymborski


	Personality! lol. No worries, I'm a big boy and can handle criticism. I also recognize that I'm an obnoxious, thoroughly ridiculous individual and there are always people that will find me grating. Comes with the job! Should probably address one thing in the thread. You'll sometimes see a weird split, especially in very small statistics because for FanGraphs presentation, I round the numbers. So if you have a say, a pitcher that ZiPS is projected to a very few number of innings, you'll sometimes get a wacky presented rate because 0.6 projected HR in, like 20 inning but rounded to 1 is a tremendous difference. I tried early on to show the "true" rates, but then people got mad when they calculated rates from the presented raw rounded stats and they didn't match the real ones and freaked out about that. Explaining to people how a pitcher projected for 4 ER in 9 IP could have a projected ERA of 3.65 or something got people very mad, so I do it this way instead. As for Odubel Herrera, ZiPS uses PBP data in both majors and minors and I was also surprised by his BABIP projection before the season. But really, given that it projected him to have a very high BABIP anyway, I'm not upset with how the projection has turned out. Sometimes when ZiPS surprises me, I'm the one that ends up wrong. I spent half the preseason saying that Clevenger would crush his ZiPS and while it's very early, ZiPS is certainly beating me at that projection. One thing that also should be noted is that in-season regression appears to be less than season-to-season regression as the data strongly support a kind of "stickiness" to some things that are harder to maintain over, for example, three or four seasons.

That makes sense. Some of this "stickiness" could be a combination of clutch/sequencing/streakiness/conditioning/coaching/psychological on the part of the player (something that might fluctuate on a longer scale than week-to-week or month-to-month). Some of these nether-areas have yet to be adequately flushed out and quantified beyond yes/no arguments as to if they can be found in the stats or not.

Care to share any thoughts on Francisco Lindor while you're around? Seems to be a hot topic in this thread. Some already punching his ticket to Cooperstown (think Derek Jeter w/Gold Glove) and others thinking he's got a BABIP bubble going for him that will burst at some point.

# 249 chilidogbeefcake @ 05/30/16 06:01 PM

Does this roster work well long term with franchise?

Since generated draft players have Sony ratings, does it mesh well or should I go osfm 3.5 for long term chise

# 250 AC @ 05/30/16 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DSzymborski


	Personality! lol. No worries, I'm a big boy and can handle criticism. I also recognize that I'm an obnoxious, thoroughly ridiculous individual and there are always people that will find me grating. Comes with the job! Should probably address one thing in the thread. You'll sometimes see a weird split, especially in very small statistics because for FanGraphs presentation, I round the numbers. So if you have a say, a pitcher that ZiPS is projected to a very few number of innings, you'll sometimes get a wacky presented rate because 0.6 projected HR in, like 20 inning but rounded to 1 is a tremendous difference. I tried early on to show the "true" rates, but then people got mad when they calculated rates from the presented raw rounded stats and they didn't match the real ones and freaked out about that. Explaining to people how a pitcher projected for 4 ER in 9 IP could have a projected ERA of 3.65 or something got people very mad, so I do it this way instead. As for Odubel Herrera, ZiPS uses PBP data in both majors and minors and I was also surprised by his BABIP projection before the season. But really, given that it projected him to have a very high BABIP anyway, I'm not upset with how the projection has turned out. Sometimes when ZiPS surprises me, I'm the one that ends up wrong. I spent half the preseason saying that Clevenger would crush his ZiPS and while it's very early, ZiPS is certainly beating me at that projection. One thing that also should be noted is that in-season regression appears to be less than season-to-season regression as the data strongly support a kind of "stickiness" to some things that are harder to maintain over, for example, three or four seasons.

This is incredible, having you in this thread. Thanks for taking questions. I have no idea about your personality (I assume you have Twitter which I only use for news). Myself and some people who do some work in baseball statistics have been wondering a lot about some of these things.

For one, we were glancing at Gavin Floyd's projection. Is the in season stickiness or rounding error at fault for his 1.89 HR/9 projection? I think it's a reasonable assumption that that isn't true talent. I remember a similar situation with Scott Baker a few years ago.

The stickiness is definitely something I've personally noticed. I think it has some merit to it, but have you looked into that further? It can notice some things Steamer may be too stubborn too but at the same time, Prince Fielder's now at a 95 wRC+ ZiPS projection. His BABIP projection is .020 off of Steamer's and the ISO is much lower which I assume comes from HR/FB (or maybe hitting fewer FB, I dunno). Do you think this stickiness can be a bit of an overreaction sometimes? Is this something you're looking into?

I don't think the Odubel thing is too big an issue, I wouldn't project anyone for a true talent .360 BABIP but he's very fast and has posted a large sample of high BABIP so it's reasonable that it spat that out.

I can appreciate doing things a certain way to avoid backlash, as someone who has done lots of projects on this site myself. And I'm sure the people who made this thread do as well. However, I do find Steamer's 1 PA/IP projections very helpful. I wonder if there's a compromise of sorts because I think that's important, personally.

As a fellow thoroughly obnoxious and ridiculous individual I look forward to hearing back.

# 251 DSzymborski @ 05/31/16 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AC


	This is incredible, having you in this thread. Thanks for taking questions. I have no idea about your personality (I assume you have Twitter which I only use for news). Myself and some people who do some work in baseball statistics have been wondering a lot about some of these things. For one, we were glancing at Gavin Floyd's projection. Is the in season stickiness or rounding error at fault for his 1.89 HR/9 projection? I think it's a reasonable assumption that that isn't true talent. I remember a similar situation with Scott Baker a few years ago. The stickiness is definitely something I've personally noticed. I think it has some merit to it, but have you looked into that further? It can notice some things Steamer may be too stubborn too but at the same time, Prince Fielder's now at a 95 wRC+ ZiPS projection. His BABIP projection is .020 off of Steamer's and the ISO is much lower which I assume comes from HR/FB (or maybe hitting fewer FB, I dunno). Do you think this stickiness can be a bit of an overreaction sometimes? Is this something you're looking into? I don't think the Odubel thing is too big an issue, I wouldn't project anyone for a true talent .360 BABIP but he's very fast and has posted a large sample of high BABIP so it's reasonable that it spat that out. I can appreciate doing things a certain way to avoid backlash, as someone who has done lots of projects on this site myself. And I'm sure the people who made this thread do as well. However, I do find Steamer's 1 PA/IP projections very helpful. I wonder if there's a compromise of sorts because I think that's important, personally. As a fellow thoroughly obnoxious and ridiculous individual I look forward to hearing back.

A few things going on with Floyd here. First, ZiPS knows Floyd's general recent injury history and pitchers that have missed that much time tend to have a hard go of it in the short term. Second, ZiPS still has most of his innings as a starter, and that causes a few extra HR. Third, the in-season model is much simpler than season to season, if I project Floyd next year in Toronto, it goes down to about 1.6.

I think projections are going to have trouble with guys like Floyd with such a spotty recent history. ZiPS HR/9 was certainly too high, but I think Steamer's was too low coming into the season too.

# 252 AC @ 05/31/16 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DSzymborski


	A few things going on with Floyd here. First, ZiPS knows Floyd's general recent injury history and pitchers that have missed that much time tend to have a hard go of it in the short term. Second, ZiPS still has most of his innings as a starter, and that causes a few extra HR. Third, the in-season model is much simpler than season to season, if I project Floyd next year in Toronto, it goes down to about 1.6. I think projections are going to have trouble with guys like Floyd with such a spotty recent history. ZiPS HR/9 was certainly too high, but I think Steamer's was too low coming into the season too.

Completely understand having a more simple in-season model, but isn't 1.6 HR/9 still pretty high for a guy who gets 50%+ grounders with a lot of K's? Is that maybe some of the stickiness from a 16.7% HR/FB? I know Floyd's been a bit above average in terms of HR/FB over his career but 16.7% is pretty abnormal in his small sample so far.

Agreed that Steamer is probably too low. And yeah, Steamer's percentage of his projected games as starts is way lower than ZiPS (both 4 but Steamer has him pitching 68 versus 13). Just to be clear, I'm not trying to harp on you about one particular projection, I know the machine spits out different things. I'm just using Floyd as an example/symbol as I ask how the machine works, he's just a guy I noticed had projections that were a bit out there.

# 253 dvazquez190 @ 06/01/16 01:27 PM

I really hate to be "that guy". I've looked through both this thread and the original thread you guys had during the creating process. I know you guys mentioned sliders that are specific to this roster and that you guys posted individual sliders that should be changed during sim (Stamina of both starters and relievers).

What I haven't seen (and thus my question) is what do you guys use as a full roster set. I apologize if this has been posted/answered and I just somehow missed it. So do you guys have a specific roster set that is being used or has been created for this roster? If you do i'd love to know just what it is. I've been looking for the right roster set to match with this roster to kick off my franchise.

Thanks

# 254 WaitTilNextYear @ 06/01/16 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dvazquez190


	I really hate to be "that guy". I've looked through both this thread and the original thread you guys had during the creating process. I know you guys mentioned sliders that are specific to this roster and that you guys posted individual sliders that should be changed during sim (Stamina of both starters and relievers). What I haven't seen (and thus my question) is what do you guys use as a full roster set. I apologize if this has been posted/answered and I just somehow missed it. So do you guys have a specific roster set that is being used or has been created for this roster? If you do i'd love to know just what it is. I've been looking for the right roster set to match with this roster to kick off my franchise. Thanks

I think you meant full slider set, otherwise I am confused about having a roster set to go with a roster. You haven't seen a slider set because there isn't one. I've posted as much (maybe 4 times?) that everyone should use whatever sliders they feel comfortable with; we don't have a recommendation on that.

# 255 dvazquez190 @ 06/01/16 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear


	I think you meant full slider set, otherwise I am confused about having a roster set to go with a roster. You haven't seen a slider set because there isn't one. I've posted as much (maybe 4 times?) that everyone should use whatever sliders they feel comfortable with; we don't have a recommendation on that.

Ok Thank You. I misunderstood then. I thought you guys were using a specific slider set along with the rosters. Thank you for the reply.

# 256 WaitTilNextYear @ 06/01/16 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dvazquez190


	Ok Thank You. I misunderstood then. I thought you guys were using a specific slider set along with the rosters. Thank you for the reply.

The re-rates are substantial, but they don't cause the game to play so much differently that you'd need customized sliders. Really the idea of re-rates is to get everyone rated properly relative to each other. If player A is better at making contact than player B, then player A should have a higher contact attribute and so on. It's more complex than that, but that's really the point, rather than to make the game into a dead ball or steroid era game.

The sim sliders are a different story: SP STAM = 1, RP STAM = 6, Manager hook = 5, Injuries = 8 is what this roster is intended to work best with.

# 257 WaitTilNextYear @ 06/01/16 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Viking11


	Just one more question about the sliders. I know to use the adjusted sliders for simulated games in franchise but what about RTTS. Is it possible in that mode as well?

I've never played an inning of RTTS so I'm not sure since that mode is a combination of playing and simming.

# 258 Smootie4891 @ 06/02/16 12:31 PM

Is there a guide to ratings somewhere where i can see how much each rating affeccts a player such as having power and guarentee 40 homers but around a 240 batting average? Im. Trying to find something on this. And with pitchers who walk more and give up hits but not walks and such..

# 259 Smootie4891 @ 06/02/16 01:42 PM

And how in the heck is vekasquez a 89?!? Didnt know guys with over 100 innings potched with a 4.50 era and 1.40 whip can be rated that high. Maybe mid 70s but a 89?!?!

# 260 huskerfan4life @ 06/02/16 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Willard76


	How I Use 30 Team Control Many have asked, and for myself being a guy who in the past only like using single team control, it took some adjustment and playing around to find setting for 30 team control I liked. 1. Set up 2 Profiles, 1 for your team, 1 for CPU teams 2. Profile 1, I set everything up on Manual Control to start the season 3. Profile 2 is a mimic of Profile 1 for Spring Training, then I transfer everything but lineups and 40 man to AUTO, (this way you can move players up and down to your roster through spring training and not lose guys on waivers) 4. Start your franchise - leave CPU trades turned ON (more about this later) 5. Play spring training - no injuries will happen unless you turn on injuries, you can move about 5 players up and down per day, they will use up one of their options but you won't loose them to another team - just make sure you move the player to AAA before taking them off the 40 to make room for your call up 6. At the end of spring training make sure you set your proper 40 man roster, then change Profile 2 to Auto for all categories 7.Every day during the season, scan through proposed trades and veto any bad trades the CPU makes, also sim every game but your teams and then scores will appear on the scoreboards as if they were happening at that time period. That's about it! (I think)

hey Willard I've got a question for you, how do you check the proposed trades because I've never played with 30 team control before and I was looking around but I did not see proposed trades anywhere, can you or anyone else please help me out?

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