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An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

10:41 PM - August 21, 2015 by Steve_OS

Mike Stauffer, AKA Beds, has just posted an in-depth look at the changes to the NBA 2K16 ratings system. It is definitely an interesting approach that will generate plenty of discussion. Read it over and post your thoughts.

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# 261 Young Coaches @ 09/30/15 04:42 AM

Wish Tony Parker and Manu had relentless finisher badges tho

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# 262 lisinas @ 02/28/16 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Focus10


	So do you guys think this had noticeably positive impact in gameplay

IMO yes, i started playing myleague as Pacers not too long ago and through 25~games individual player stats (per game) are almost identical to real life without me giving extra effort to achieve that, that was not the case in 2k15 or earlier 2k games.

# 263 jeebs9 @ 02/28/16 05:35 PM

People's problem is that they want daily updates. That's never going to happen.

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# 264 DreamAgain @ 02/28/16 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebs9


	People's problem is that they want daily updates. That's never going to happen. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Could give a **** about daily updates. i seriously lol at ppl who r like "omg lowry had a good week where's his bump!".. dumb. what I want fixed is *PLAYER TENDENCIES* .. cpu steph does NOT play like Steph IRL. Basically every superstar plays the same.

# 265 raidertiger @ 02/29/16 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by richard2001


	Reading this, they haven't really rated guys on an all-time scale. Steph at 97, Draymond at 90? Only thing Steph has that's all time great is his jumper, and Draymond was a scrub before last season. Sent from my SM-G386W using Tapatalk

Steph should be a 99 overall on the all-time scale...

# 266 raidertiger @ 02/29/16 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by A6_Foul_Out


	There are a few times where we must defer to legacy and history to do something. Despite the fact that evidence may possibly suggest otherwise... This is one of those times. MJ is the GOAT, and to show that respect to him, nobody else should be 99.

Overall rating is not a career rating, its a single reason rating. Curry is objectively having a better year than MJ had regarding many statistics and team success even. MJ has the better career obviously, but that doesn't mean Curry isn't playing better than peak MJ.

inb4 defensive arguments that fail to note that Curry still is ahead despite his "shortcomings" (AKA not being a DPOY, but he's pretty solid).

# 267 Real2KInsider @ 02/29/16 12:12 PM

Why is it blasphemous when MJ had a significant hole in his game (outside shooting) that wouldn't translate to the modern NBA?

# 268 Craxior @ 02/29/16 01:10 PM

I'm pretty sure 90s elite players would adapt to todays game, same as todays to 90s 80s or whatever rules. You think prime MJ and them wouldn't adapt and dominate todays game? You guys must be mad. Same goes for todays superstars, Currys shooting, playmaking and handling transcends generations. The argument is pointless.

# 269 8KB24 @ 02/29/16 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	Why is it blasphemous when MJ had a significant hole in his game (outside shooting) that wouldn't translate to the modern NBA?

Don't fight him. He is an avid Curry ***** and MJ dickrider.

Curry has deficiency of him being lesser defender as a PG which impacts the overall more than it does for MJ with his lesser shooting ability.

# 270 Real2KInsider @ 02/29/16 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Craxior


	I'm pretty sure 90s elite players would adapt to todays game, same as todays to 90s 80s or whatever rules. You think prime MJ and them wouldn't adapt and dominate todays game? You guys must be mad. Same goes for todays superstars, Currys shooting, playmaking and handling transcends generations. The argument is pointless.

Jordan might "adapt" but it's insane to think he'd develop range from 35 feet when he could barely shoot outside 22.

# 271 schnaidt1 @ 02/29/16 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamAgain


	Could give a **** about daily updates. i seriously lol at ppl who r like "omg lowry had a good week where's his bump!".. dumb. what I want fixed is PLAYER TENDENCIES .. cpu steph does NOT play like Steph IRL. Basically every superstar plays the same.

dude i agree 100%

Tendencies are waay more crucial to gameplay than ratings...how a player plays defense or attacks or moves off ball or moves with the ball....team tendencies and player tendencies need to be the focus for 2k17. I am much happier with the current rating system then in previous versions..

i would like them to be a lil more spread out...

and in a game where offense is still king...taking a 77 rated guy who has a B rating or better for every offensive category still makes more sense than taking a 83 rated guy who has better defensive skills but less offensive skills.

# 272 SpeedyClaxton @ 02/29/16 02:42 PM

No argue this is historic season for Curry but there is only one Jordan, the GOAT and there should end of discussion about that.

Back on topic: i would love to some more ratings to be added like agressiveness, leadership, work rate which would translate good into MyLeague and also as for badges, i'm not big fan of badges but i think that should be more of these 'blue' personality badges to make each player unique individual.

I would like to see overall ratings that go from like 20/25 until 99, current scheme is like 65-70-80-90+ and it would be good to have even lower rated players for better on court difference.

Some things about ratings i would like tweaked for example:

*Strength - needs big time overhaul, i don't see 'real strength' seems like every player is kinda same regarding this attribute.

*Speed should be split up into speed with ball and speed w/o ball because some players are very fast but on other hand not so fast when having ball in their hands and dribbling.

*Positioning rating would be good to separate players who sets up good positions and ones who mostly stand clueless on court (McGee, Perkins)/ and also could be big factor in rebound battles.

*Post hook rating obviously rates players hook shot from post area but it's also very flawed when bigman is mismatched and goes for hook shot over much smaller guard but still misses due to low hook shot rating.

*More weight to players would feel good to feel difference between lighter/smaller players and heavier/bulky ones, currently feels like everyone is running in sand.

# 273 SpeedyClaxton @ 03/01/16 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by richard2001


	How am I an MJ dickrider? I don't hate Curry, the Jordan comparisons are just very premature. FFS, people wouldn't put LeBron on Jordan's level even after putting up 27/7/7 for 6+ years. Curry is an amazing shooter, but you can't say he's some all-time great yet. Sent from my SM-G386W using Tapatalk

I remember nobody compared Iverson with all time greats during his early 2000 runs on title with 76ers, when he decided to call it quits they called him greatest pound for pound player in NBA and it's justified but it also shows how people jump on bandwagons these days unlike 13-14 years ago.

Nobody from my friends rooted for teams like Clippers, Warriors 10 years ago lol when they had likes of Andris Biedrins or Michael Olowakandi on their rosters and now their fanbase is like 10 times bigger. I have rooted for Nets when they were force on east back in early 2000's and even now i root for them even they are 76ers on steroids to call it like that. People don't root for franchises anymore but instead they root for certain player or group of players who happen to play there.

I remember back then Denver had lots of fans including some of my friends when they had Melo, Iverson, Camby combination but when Melo left to NY, AI to Pistons soon nobody rooted for Denver anymore which shows what kind of supporters that team had (or to be perfectly honest didn't had after all).

People nowadays support players because of their current abilites not because their possible potential, that's why lot of people like and cherish Curry now but who liked him when he had trouble with ankles coming into league ? When he was injured almost week after week with ankle sprains i guess there are very few 'true' fans who rooted for him back then.

Same happened with Lin in 2012 on his brilliant but short run with Knicks, people were hyped, buying his jerseys, called his name, facebook followers doubled/tripled over night because our society is like that, only appreciates 'instant impact' or to be more clear what is great today might be also forgotten tomorrow since that period i guess nobody cares about Lin anymore now in Hornets playing average basketball.

I'm not surprised with this at all and Curry's run is nothing short of amazing and i still want that run to continue as long as it's possible but at the same time i know that these GSW fans are not true fans (although i believe there are very few of those true longtime fans) same happened with Heat few years ago people were supporting Heat, claiming they were 'die-hard' Heat fans but only 9% of them recognized Mourning on one of older basketball photos which truly shows their fan identity.

To conclude my post: In basketball there are many generations, my generation is late 90's, my favourite players are Speedy Claxton and Vince Carter but my favourite team is BKN Nets and i couldn't ever support Grizzlies solely because Carter now plays there. Today society is different, they want instant success, instant impact and instant numbers. No need to compare Curry's great run with any of those past him because each one is unique and individual and we should enjoy while it lasts.

# 274 Real2KInsider @ 03/01/16 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedyClaxton


	No argue this is historic season for Curry but there is only one Jordan, the GOAT and there should end of discussion about that.

Negative. All great players are eventually eclipsed. Jordan was not infallible, but there are a lot of fans who think so.

Curry is unequivocally the best shooter in the history of the world. I.E. the GOAT. There is clearly a discussion to be had, rather than a topic to be brushed off like dandruff.

# 275 Real2KInsider @ 03/01/16 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedyClaxton


	I remember nobody compared Iverson with all time greats during his early 2000 runs on title with 76ers, when he decided to call it quits they called him greatest pound for pound player in NBA and it's justified but it also shows how people jump on bandwagons these days unlike 13-14 years ago.

1. ...Iverson WAS compared to greats during his run (of course, he was he was also majorly overrated, given tangible evidence that doesn't apply to Stephen Curry or the Warriors).

2. Iverson called it quits two years after NBA teams chose not to sign him, and there have been plenty of articles written about him that present him in a less than positive light (that he was an alcoholic)

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	Nobody from my friends rooted for teams like Clippers, Warriors 10 years ago lol when they had likes of Andris Biedrins or Michael Olowakandi on their rosters and now their fanbase is like 10 times bigger

Should they have? Did anyone root for the Bulls before they got Jordan? The NBA is a star's league compared to the NFL or MLB.

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	People don't root for franchises anymore but instead they root for certain player or group of players who happen to play there.

This is an effect of free agency. 20-30 years ago NBA franchises had much more roster stability... Of course, stars frequently found themselves beholden to terrible contracts (Scottie Pippen: 20 million TOTAL over 7 years) and would have bolted in a heartbeat given the opportunity.

There is a great deal more roster turnover nowadays which is why fans are more likely to "jump ship".

Also, I'm pretty sure the Warriors have earned their fans, new or old. How can one watch them play and not be a fan of the team? I have little interest in Geographical lines on a map dictating who I am supposed to like in the 21st century (not to mention the advents of the modern age like NBATV, League Pass, the internet, etc etc etc cater to the ease of access to whatever team a person deems fit to follow).

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	I remember back then Denver had lots of fans including some of my friends when they had Melo, Iverson, Camby combination but when Melo left to NY, AI to Pistons soon nobody rooted for Denver anymore which shows what kind of supporters that team had (or to be perfectly honest didn't had after all).

Are fans supposed to pay big money to watch a lottery team?

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	People nowadays support players because of their current abilites not because their possible potential, that's why lot of people like and cherish Curry now but who liked him when he had trouble with ankles coming into league ? When he was injured almost week after week with ankle sprains i guess there are very few 'true' fans who rooted for him back then.

Disagree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.

Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq all came in and had immediate impact, nobody followed them because of "possible potential". Were Karl Malone fans all band wagoners because his first two seasons were mediocre? How many fans did Dirk Nowitzki have coming into the league (I imagine this number was not tangibly different from Andrea Bargnani).

God forbid fans recognize that a player worked his *** off to elevate his stature (or vice versa)... nevermind that the vast majority of fans don't see these players before they even enter the league... so how are they going to form opinions on them without context?

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	Same happened with Lin in 2012 on his brilliant but short run with Knicks, people were hyped, buying his jerseys, called his name, facebook followers doubled/tripled over night because our society is like that, only appreciates 'instant impact' or to be more clear what is great today might be also forgotten tomorrow since that period i guess nobody cares about Lin anymore now in Hornets playing average basketball.

Curry has already won MVP and a championship but I guess this sounded like a good comparison in your head. Lin's impact was primarily cultural and took place in a market absolutely starved for quality basketball.

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	I'm not surprised with this at all and Curry's run is nothing short of amazing

I could have sworn the same thing was said about Jordan 25 years ago, when calling him the "GOAT, end of discussion" would have been blasphemous, given that he was coming off the tails of Magic/Bird (and to a lesser extent Russell/Wilt).

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	To conclude my post: In basketball there are many generations, my generation is late 90's, my favourite players are Speedy Claxton and Vince Carter but my favourite team is BKN Nets and i couldn't ever support Grizzlies solely because Carter now plays there.

....Granted, Carter is the 10th man, hasn't been a starter in 4 years, is playing on his 5th team in 8 years, but sure, admirable restraint, I guess that puts you a leg up on the "nobody cares" spectrum of the fair weather fan validity debate.

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	Today society is different, they want instant success, instant impact and instant numbers. No need to compare Curry's great run with any of those past him because each one is unique and individual and we should enjoy while it lasts.

...It's almost as if.... we have this instantaneous... impact, success, these numbers... why, it's almost as if they're right at our finger tips? By god, where am I? I'm ONLINE???????

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# 276 SpeedyClaxton @ 03/01/16 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	1. ...Iverson WAS compared to greats during his run (of course, he was he was also majorly overrated, given tangible evidence that doesn't apply to Stephen Curry or the Warriors). 2. Iverson called it quits two years after NBA teams chose not to sign him, and there have been plenty of articles written about him that present him in a less than positive light (that he was an alcoholic) Should they have? Did anyone root for the Bulls before they got Jordan? The NBA is a star's league compared to the NFL or MLB. This is an effect of free agency. 20-30 years ago NBA franchises had much more roster stability... Of course, stars frequently found themselves beholden to terrible contracts (Scottie Pippen: 20 million TOTAL over 7 years) and would have bolted in a heartbeat given the opportunity. There is a great deal more roster turnover nowadays which is why fans are more likely to "jump ship". Also, I'm pretty sure the Warriors have earned their fans, new or old. How can one watch them play and not be a fan of the team? I have little interest in Geographical lines on a map dictating who I am supposed to like in the 21st century (not to mention the advents of the modern age like NBATV, League Pass, the internet, etc etc etc cater to the ease of access to whatever team a person deems fit to follow). Are fans supposed to pay big money to watch a lottery team? Disagree with this sentiment wholeheartedly. Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq all came in and had immediate impact, nobody followed them because of "possible potential". Were Karl Malone fans all band wagoners because his first two seasons were mediocre? How many fans did Dirk Nowitzki have coming into the league (I imagine this number was not tangibly different from Andrea Bargnani). God forbid fans recognize that a player worked his *** off to elevate his stature (or vice versa)... nevermind that the vast majority of fans don't see these players before they even enter the league... so how are they going to form opinions on them without context? Curry has already won MVP and a championship but I guess this sounded like a good comparison in your head. Lin's impact was primarily cultural and took place in a market absolutely starved for quality basketball. I could have sworn the same thing was said about Jordan 25 years ago, when calling him the "GOAT, end of discussion" would have been blasphemous, given that he was coming off the tails of Magic/Bird (and to a lesser extent Russell/Wilt). ....Granted, Carter is the 10th man, hasn't been a starter in 4 years, is playing on his 5th team in 8 years, but sure, admirable restraint, I guess that puts you a leg up on the "nobody cares" spectrum of the fair weather fan validity debate. ...It's almost as if.... we have this instantaneous... impact, success, these numbers... why, it's almost as if they're right at our finger tips? By god, where am I? I'm ONLINE??????? Exits Browser

I respect your opinion on every single sentence you wrote, fact is you are driven by the numbers and facts. You follow NBA ten times more than a regular fan and your knowledge of advanced stats is deep and comprehensive whereas i can't disucuss with you in such direction because as much as i love and watch basketball i'm not that much into every single thing that happens especially in stats category.

Secondly i would add that by no means i dismiss Curry's great and unbeliveable run he's having, i'm just advocating to start comparing when all is said and done. He won MVP award and a championship last year, this year MVP title is about 99% in his hands and championship as well almost certain thing. Comparing him now to all-time greats is premature decision because he is in his prime and this whole comparing thing sounds lot more reasonable when someone career is over, like now Kobe's.

I would add also regarding this discussion that i'm old-school basketball lover, in reality that means 90% of people are in awe of new era centers/forwards alias DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin and of course their highflying acrobatics would always score more points in general public than a good footwork or impeccable post moves. While i still enjoy those little feints, pump fakes, shimmy fakes and all in between but also at the same time i know what attracts most of fans out there.

How can one watch them play and not be a fan of the team? This sentence i wouldn't agree with because since i own League Pass i watch majority of games but at the same time i'm not fan of let's say 90% of these teams. Last night i watched Washington vs Philly not because of great basketball but to see can Philly put up a surprise and stun Wizards @ home and they were close but not enough in the 4th quarter. I have teams that i dislike such as Miami Heat but i still watch their games because i'm fan of game not of some specific player or team. Many times lowrated lottery teams provided tight games and OT thrill rather than these teams fans pay big money to watch as you say.

# 277 8KB24 @ 03/01/16 03:04 PM

Nobody is arguing that MJ>Curry overall but this season is probably the most dominant season we ever saw. A singular season compared to another singular season. Which was proven to you in the other thread...or this one...who knows. Anyway, Curry shoots better from every single spot better than MJ and averages better number per 100 possession than MJ, both simple and advanced stats. IIRC MJ only beats him in steals and blocks and is better defender. But you cannot for the love of God immediately refuse the thought of Curry being on par with MJ during a singular season. Not even arguing multiple seasons - a singular season.

# 278 Real2KInsider @ 03/01/16 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by richard2001


	Are you talking about Curry being GOAT shooter, or GOAT overall?

Shooter. He's a wee-bit more than a spot-up shooter though, he is the best scoring shooter we have ever seen, to the point that he is a more efficient scorer than Michael Jordan was. These are tangible measurements. Curry is going to hit 350 threes this year and Jordan hit 581 in his entire damn career. That is a tangible measurement.

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	Also, not everybody gets eclipsed. As a scorer, I don't think Jordan will be eclipsed.

Sure, Jordan was better with his back to the basket than Curry is, and was certainly the better athlete/finisher. But he wasn't crossing over and pulling from 25 with a hand in his face either. The kicker is one of those situations is worth more points than the other. Curry can be a "better scorer" without learning the same "scoring" moves Jordan had to learn.

Jordan's best scoring season: 61 TS% on 34 USG% (1990)
Curry right now: 69 TS% on 33 USG%

Curry leads the league in TS% and is 2nd in USG rate.

If the season ended today his TS% would be the 10th best mark in NBA history. On a league leading Usage rate. THAT IS UNHEARD OF.

In other words it's something Jordan never did. Jordan lead the league in USG rate EIGHT times, but he was top 10 in TS% only once. That's top-10 in a season, NOT on the all-time list.

Curry is doing something that even Jordan never could.... which means we get to have these conversations that make Jordan-philes ever uncomfortable.

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	As a point forward, I don't see LeBron being eclipsed.

They said we'd never see another Magic Johnson or Larry Bird. Yet here we are in 2016 and LeBron is a 4-time MVP and Durant a 4-time scoring champ. What makes Jordan or any other player so special that they'll never be eclipsed? Fuzzies?

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	It's ridiculous to say Curry could surpass Jordan, off the back of one elite season.

It's on the back of one season that is superior to any that Jordan ever had, which is quite different than what you're inferring.

# 279 Real2KInsider @ 03/01/16 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by richard2001


	One true MVP season (no way should he have won last year)

Good job rooting yourself out as biased and non-credible. Curry met all the qualifications the media measurably weighs and his only competition was James ****ing Harden. LOL please, please tell us who Curry robbed.

*Crickets*

# 280 Real2KInsider @ 03/01/16 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by richard2001


	This season is better than any Jordan ever had? I don't care about all your advanced metrics, Jordan is the greatest scorer of all time. He'd do even better in today's guard oriented league.

Well that was certainly informative and full of context. I'm glad we didn't have this talk.

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