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An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

10:41 PM - August 21, 2015 by Steve_OS

Mike Stauffer, AKA Beds, has just posted an in-depth look at the changes to the NBA 2K16 ratings system. It is definitely an interesting approach that will generate plenty of discussion. Read it over and post your thoughts.

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# 201 Trackball @ 08/25/15 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	The Bulls beat one GOOD team in the east each year but not GREAT teams. There's a reason why a different west team made it to the Finals each year while the Bulls were never seriously challenged out east.

So what does that make the 1995 Rockets?

To get to the Finals, they had to beat the three teams with the three best records in the league: Jazz had 60 wins, Suns had 59, Spurs had 62. Then they swept the Magic, who had 57.

The Rockets were seeded sixth. Lowest-seeded champion in league history.

Yet even to this day, people say "So what? No Jordan." Uh, who did the Magic beat in the second round?

...

I apologize. It's just, seeing them win it on live TV back then, two years in a row, was some of the happiest memories of my childhood. Hearing those champion Rockets teams get so disrespected today (and even AT THE TIME) just...grinds my gears, to coin a phrase.

# 202 Trackball @ 08/25/15 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by thedream2k16


	There real test to this new logic is kobe bryant. He hasn't shot a high % from the field or played much in the last 2 seasons due to injuries. With him being the OLD kobe , will he play like his NBA stats suggest? or will be be the kobe from 8 years ago? 37% from field 29% from 3

One of the things I do love about 2K, especially MyCareer, is that it punishes you for playing like Kobe has lately.

The Teammate Grade is a wonderful thing.

I remember playing 2K11, my first 2K in years, and once getting an F in a draft combine game! Then I got quite the lecture from the 2K Insider as the main screen turn on--I mean, as the game ended and the MyPlayer hub loaded back up.

I've learned my lesson since then, of course.

# 203 Sundown @ 08/25/15 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Trackball


	One of the things I do love about 2K, especially MyCareer, is that it punishes you for playing like Kobe has lately. The Teammate Grade is a wonderful thing. I remember playing 2K11, my first 2K in years, and once getting an F in a draft combine game! Then I got quite the lecture from the 2K Insider as the main screen turn on--I mean, as the game ended and the MyPlayer hub loaded back up. I've learned my lesson since then, of course.

Mike mentioned team chemistry is more important this year. I really hope it means it's what I've wanted for some time-- good shot distribution and expected touches needed to keep teammates involved and humming in a game in all modes, and players who are frozen out being cold and upset. And I want this in ALL games and modes.

This would affect everything holistically for the better, from better game to game simulation, to more realistic MyCareer, to a more realistic approach to team building in association-- to even MyTeam, so you can't just build a team full of superstars. I want to see attempting that being a challenging endeavor itself, just like it is in real life.

Holy nuts. 37% and sub 30 from three. I'd give Kobe a 78 just to be generous.

# 204 stillfeelme @ 08/25/15 12:28 AM

I was just thinking about these ratings and dunking. How do they justify who is the 99 dunker?

Wilkins
Jordan
Vince
Dr. J

Good luck Beds lol.

I guess I will start who I think will be the 99's in some of these things

Post offense: Hakeem
Post Control: Hakeem

Steals: Tony Allen 2014-15 His steal % is just absurd he might get dinged because they usually base some of these ratings off of more than one year. Without knowing all the classic teams it should be him

On ball defense: Dennis Rodman early career Detroit years. His footwork and recovery was just special just a true pest. A chance this is an early Jordan both won DPOY

Hustle: Dennis Rodman

Post Fade: Jordan Signature move

Moving 3pt: Steph Curry

Passing: Magic. I know Stockon might have had some better years with the assist but Magic is the best passer to me flashy and non flashy.

Blocking: Early Mutumbo if one of those Denver teams are in.

# 205 Real2KInsider @ 08/25/15 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Trackball


	So what does that make the 1995 Rockets? To get to the Finals, they had to beat the three teams with the three best records in the league: Jazz had 60 wins, Suns had 59, Spurs had 62. Then they swept the Magic, who had 57. The Rockets were seeded sixth. Lowest-seeded champion in league history. Yet even to this day, people say "So what? No Jordan." Uh, who did the Magic beat in the second round? ... I apologize. It's just, seeing them win it on live TV back then, two years in a row, was some of the happiest memories of my childhood. Hearing those champion Rockets teams get so disrespected today (and even AT THE TIME) just...grinds my gears, to coin a phrase.

I am not exactly sure what this is implying or taking out of context. The 95 Rockets stand as one of the greatest accomplishments in NBA history, but they do stand as a hiccup of a formative era that will never happen again (one that the Bulls likewise tie into).

While some look at the past with rose-tinted goggles I personally think the college 3pt line of the 1995-97 made the NBA a bonafide joke. I loved the NBA at this time, but I was simply too too young to understand how unbalanced it made the league. It is not a surprise that the Bulls won 72/69 games subsequently in 96 and 97 and that no team has come close.

Jordan 3PT
Short Line (95-97): 238-589 (40.4%, 1.3 per game)
Normal Line: 343-1189 (28.8%, 0.3 per game)

Nothing else needs to be said about what a monumental change it was and how meaningless it renders any accomplishments with regard to historical context. People will talk about the 72 win team forever as the greatest but the irony is this season's Warriors team (who came up in discussions, due to their coach) would have decimated the league 20 years ago under the rules back then.

People will often put the 80s/90s on a pedestal but the league was still figuring itself out from a variety of competitive balance standpoints. The 95 Rockets were good/lucky. It certainly shouldn't be lost that they won the championship in 94, but giving credence to an anomaly is counterproductive when no other 6th seed in history has ever been close to being a contender. It's like freaking out over the 99 Knicks being disrespected if we were to talk about 8th seed teams not being any good.

# 206 Real2KInsider @ 08/25/15 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by stillfeelme


	I was just thinking about these ratings and dunking. How do they justify who is the 99 dunker? Wilkins Jordan Vince Dr. J

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that multiple players can't have 99s in a rating, especially at something as subjective as dunking.

The only thing 2K said was that they would be expanding their scales, because elite players would often break the scale and deserve much higher than the maximum rating.

IIRC their 1996 Michael Jordan model has been around 107 Overall for a number of years, meaning you could drop his mid-range rating by 70 points before even seeing a dent in his "99 OVR". That was one of the reasons for wanting to create more separation, because it's confusing for fans to see trash James Harden only a couple points below Jordan... especially since anyone who has used Jordan in the last few years knows just how broken he is.

More over, with all the Pink Diamonds coming out that boost MyTeam legend ratings to even more absurd proportions, one needs them to be lower rated at the start for the upgrades to be perceived as something to be sought out.

# 207 BluFu @ 08/25/15 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by thedream2k16


	There real test to this new logic is kobe bryant. He hasn't shot a high % from the field or played much in the last 2 seasons due to injuries. With him being the OLD kobe , will he play like his NBA stats suggest? or will be be the kobe from 8 years ago? 37% from field 29% from 3

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Originally Posted by Sundown


	Holy nuts. 37% and sub 30 from three. I'd give Kobe a 78 just to be generous.

Not that easy. It's the Derrick Rose situation all over again. They know what he can do while healthy but hasn't been over the course of the full season for a while. Kobe & Rose will get an 80+ rating once again this year because at the top of their game, they're top 10-20 players.

# 208 ojandpizza @ 08/25/15 01:05 AM

So Jordan beating Reggie Miller, who's nowhere near a top 50 player, and a bunch of role players with he and Pippen by far the best shooting guard and by far the best small forward in the league, as most any other "contender" was strictly because of a good center, was a big challenge for them?

Miami Heat squad with Mourning, Tim and not much else was a tall task?

Ewing and role players?

Shaq, Penny, and not one other double digit scorer?

Bullets with Rod Strickand as their leading scorer?

Hawks with Mookie Blaylock as a leading scorer?

Hornets with Rice and Divac?

Don't get me wrong, Bulls played some solid teams but nothing that was up to par with them. Reggie vs Jordan? Rex Chapman vs Jordan? Anderson and Scott vs Jordan/Pippen, Starks vs Jordan, Cheaney and Howard vs Jordan/Pippen, those match ups are astronomically apart.

People fail to realize just how large of an advantage Jordan/Pippen duo had. The next best SG and SF were MILES behind them. And even if they happened to face the next best in line there wasn't two of them on a same team like Chicago.

Reggie's 98 squad took them to 7, honestly shouldn't have went more than 5, but aside from that the Bulls final 3 peat match ups went 29 and 4.. And 29 win and 4 loss record against those teams isn't easy??? What do you consider easy then?

IMO those Miami squads, which outside of LeBron, Wade, Bosh weren't all that great anyways, beating Celtics big 3, Indy, LeBron beating Chicago this year, IMO those are all tougher match ups than probably anything that Bulls squad faced once they hit the 90's, other than probably the 92 Knicks.. And that's only because McDaniel was making Pippen his bitch lol.

Jordan did face some loaded teams in the 80's.. And he didn't have Pippen or Phil yet. And that's why he was losing.

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# 209 2_headedmonster @ 08/25/15 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BluFu


	Not that easy. It's the Derrick Rose situation all over again. They know what he can do while healthy but hasn't been over the course of the full season for a while. Kobe & Rose will get an 80+ rating once again this year because at the top of their game, they're top 10-20 players.

i get that thinking and Kobe is my favorite player, but that wouldn't be true to the system they claim to have laid out.

# 210 Rockie_Fresh88 @ 08/25/15 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	There is absolutely nothing to suggest that multiple players can't have 99s in a rating, especially at something as subjective as dunking. The only thing 2K said was that they would be expanding their scales, because elite players would often break the scale and deserve much higher than the maximum rating. IIRC their 1996 Michael Jordan model has been around 107 Overall for a number of years, meaning you could drop his mid-range rating by 70 points before even seeing a dent in his "99 OVR". That was one of the reasons for wanting to create more separation, because it's confusing for fans to see trash James Harden only a couple points below Jordan... especially since anyone who has used Jordan in the last few years knows just how broken he is. More over, with all the Pink Diamonds coming out that boost MyTeam legend ratings to even more absurd proportions, one needs them to be lower rated at the start for the upgrades to be perceived as something to be sought out.

What about the boosts from badges ? And hotspots

# 211 Trackball @ 08/25/15 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	While some look at the past with rose-tinted goggles I personally think the college 3pt line of the 1995-97 made the NBA a bonafide joke. I loved the NBA at this time, but I was simply too too young to understand how unbalanced it made the league. It is not a surprise that the Bulls won 72/69 games subsequently in 96 and 97 and that no team has come close.

So what does that make the Rockets, who won under BOTH conditions?

Also: College? College was 19'9". That shortened NBA line was 22 feet even.

Still a dumb idea in hindsight to move it, but if we're going to be disregarding that second title on a technicality like so many others have...

Would you throw away the Spurs' first title, because the season was 50 games?
Would you throw away the Heat's 2012 title, because the season was 66 games?
Would you throw away the Warriors' 2015 title because both Kyrie and Love were out?

But I've derailed this thread enough with my Rocket Red rage.

(Oh, by the way: Scoring went DOWN throughout the league when that shorter arc was used, because then players who shouldn't have been shooting threes then decided to try it.)

# 212 stillfeelme @ 08/25/15 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BluFu


	Not that easy. It's the Derrick Rose situation all over again. They know what he can do while healthy but hasn't been over the course of the full season for a while. Kobe & Rose will get an 80+ rating once again this year because at the top of their game, they're top 10-20 players.

I feel like this Kobe athletically should be rated as a 37 year old player way past his prime.

His actual shooting ratings and tendencies should be heavily slanted towards his play towards the last two years. Kobe shot selection last year was so bad man it was just horrible. He took so many contested jumpers and missed so many of them.

So if I play against the Lakers I want Kobe taking bad shots with a heavy usage rate, touch tendency and he should be missing a lot of them.

Kobe took almost 10 contested jumpers a game or tightly contested of his 20 FGA. When the majority of the shots you can get off are contested jumpers it says your athleticism has faded and you can't blow by defenders anymore. The Lakers were better per possession with Kobe off the court

I have a feeling Kobe will be somewhere in the 81-83 range. His defense is not there anymore if you look up his defense stats. Players actually shot better when guarded by Kobe.

# 213 BluFu @ 08/25/15 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by stillfeelme


	I feel like this Kobe athletically should be rated as a 37 player way past his prime. His actual shooting ratings and tendencies should be heavily slanted towards his play towards the last two years. Kobe shot selection last year was so bad man it was just horrible. He took so many contested jumpers and missed so many of them. So if I play against the Lakers I want Kobe taking bad shots with a heavy usage rate, touch tendency and he should be missing a lot of them. Kobe took almost 10 contested jumpers a game or tightly contested of his 20 FGA. When the majority of the shots you can get off are contested jumpers it says your athleticism has faded and you can't blow by defenders anymore. The Lakers were better per possession with Kobe off the court I have a feeling Kobe will be somewhere in the 81-83 range. His defense is not there anymore if you look up his defense stats. Players actually shot better when guarded by Kobe.

All true but you can't ignore his 12-13 season either where he was very healthy for the most part putting up numbers no 34+ year old has before.

Now that you bring up those stats, I'm extremely interested to see what kind of rating Iverson is going to get.

# 214 stillfeelme @ 08/25/15 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BluFu


	All true but you can't ignore his 12-13 season either where he was very healthy for the most part putting up numbers no 34+ year old has before. Now that you bring up those stats, I'm extremely interested to see what kind of rating Iverson is going to get.

Yeah but he is not there anymore Kobe is 37 he has played too many minutes. If I had to guess the championship Iverson is going to be somewhere in the upper 80's. High speed, layup, dribbling and probably steal rating

# 215 Sundown @ 08/25/15 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	While some look at the past with rose-tinted goggles I personally think the college 3pt line of the 1995-97 made the NBA a bonafide joke. I loved the NBA at this time, but I was simply too too young to understand how unbalanced it made the league. It is not a surprise that the Bulls won 72/69 games subsequently in 96 and 97 and that no team has come close. Jordan 3PT Short Line (95-97): 238-589 (40.4%, 1.3 per game) Normal Line: 343-1189 (28.8%, 0.3 per game)

Whaa? How does the shortened three point line benefit only Jordan and the Bulls? Every other team was shooting from the same shortened line. Unless it was being repainted every half just for the Bulls.

Now the three point stats during that period are obviously skewed but I don't see how it provides some sort of unfair advantage for Jordan alone. How does a rule that applies to every shooter unbalance the league? Because Jordan was somehow uniquely better than everyone at shooting extreme long 2's?

/headscratch

# 216 Real2KInsider @ 08/25/15 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Trackball


	Would you throw away the Spurs' first title, because the season was 50 games? Would you throw away the Heat's 2012 title, because the season was 66 games? Would you throw away the Warriors' 2015 title because both Kyrie and Love were out?

I think you are more or less missing my point given that I was initially discussing conference balance.

# 217 23 @ 08/25/15 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ReyTV


	Yooo what ya talking about? [emoji102] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

spamming threads and trolling.

Bye

# 218 Real2KInsider @ 08/25/15 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundown


	Whaa? How does the shortened three point line benefit only Jordan and the Bulls? Every other team was shooting from the same shortened line. Unless it was being repainted every half just for the Bulls.

No other team was as equipped to take advantage of the changes, which is why they dominated to the degree that they did.

1996: 115.2 ORTG (1st), 40.3 3PT% (3rd), 13.1 TO% (1st), 36.9 ORB% (1st)
1997: 114.4 ORTG (1st), 37.3 3PT% (6th), 12.5 TO% (1st), 35.9 ORB% (2nd)
1998: 107.7 ORTG (9th), 32.3 3PT% (23rd), 13.3 TO% (4th), 35.7 ORB% (2nd)

Find the variable.

# 219 I Djm @ 08/25/15 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ReyTV


	#HallOfFameDifficultySetting Hey I don't blame anyone who says that Hall Of Fame difficulty is fake. But I also don't stand by them too much because I for one don't know how to do a video game. So I don't slander. I only slander 2k when they take something away that they had in mint condition the year before. I will say, that it is a very dangerous experience to try to win [emoji28]. From health to psychological issues, if the CPU is playing that good on hall of fame difficulty, the user and user's cpu teammates should hold some leverage not even get a grip but be able to relax while playing the video game. As opposed to relaxing while trying to win. In other words, open shots, fouls, cpu teammates, transition basketball. . . All those sliders should stay the same vs the game on the half court. I remember trying to earn more VC on 2k15 playing on HOF. Had to stop, after beginning to doubt my intelligence watching all those contested shots going in right btwn the eyes of my entire team, per difficulty setting. [emoji102] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The sliders don't change the cpu gets a boost to all stats then add in they know how to play the system.

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# 220 I Djm @ 08/25/15 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SaruAqua


	This. Lol at comparing the east in Jordan's day to now. In the 80's/90's, the East was equivalent to what the west is today. As great as they were, are we forgetting that the '87 Lakers had to beat the 37 win Nuggets, 42 win Warriors, and 39 win Sonics just to get to the Finals from the west? Now, of course they bet the Bird-led Celtics so it essentially somewhat doesn't make their competition look as lopsided but it shows that their road TO THE Finals wasn't that tough. Or the fact that the '91-'93/'96-'98 Bulls had to beat five 57+ win teams ('92 Cavs, '93 Knicks, '96 Magic, '97 Heat, '98 Pacers) just to get to the Finals? And I mean BEAT them, not just face them. People always point out that Jordan was 1-9 in the P/O before Pippen came, completely ignoring the fact that Pippen was a role player in '88 and '89 while the Bulls got to the ECSF and ECF, losing both times to Detroit. When MJ got swept in '86 and '87, it was by those same Bird-led Celtics that were on the same tier as the Showtime Lakers adding to the equation that Orlando "Crackhead" Woolridge and Charles Oakley were the Bulls' 2nd options. Is it LeBron's fault that the East is so weak right now? No. Are we blaming him? No. But to blatantly ignore how easy the road to the Finals from the East is and kiss LBJ's feet for shooting 40%FG vs the Bulls and Hawks is ignorance. His 3 previous runs were greater because of his greater play (efficiency), particularly '11 when the Heat beat the 56 win Celtics and 62 win Bulls.

Aye 11' heat v bulls was rigged don't speak of it again

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