An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

[SpeedyClaxton]

No argue this is historic season for Curry but there is only one Jordan, the GOAT and there should end of discussion about that.

Back on topic: i would love to some more ratings to be added like agressiveness, leadership, work rate which would translate good into MyLeague and also as for badges, i'm not big fan of badges but i think that should be more of these 'blue' personality badges to make each player unique individual.

I would like to see overall ratings that go from like 20/25 until 99, current scheme is like 65-70-80-90+ and it would be good to have even lower rated players for better on court difference.

Some things about ratings i would like tweaked for example:


*Strength - needs big time overhaul, i don't see 'real strength' seems like every player is kinda same regarding this attribute.

*Speed should be split up into speed with ball and speed w/o ball because some players are very fast but on other hand not so fast when having ball in their hands and dribbling.

*Positioning rating would be good to separate players who sets up good positions and ones who mostly stand clueless on court (McGee, Perkins)/ and also could be big factor in rebound battles.

*Post hook rating obviously rates players hook shot from post area but it's also very flawed when bigman is mismatched and goes for hook shot over much smaller guard but still misses due to low hook shot rating.

*More weight to players would feel good to feel difference between lighter/smaller players and heavier/bulky ones, currently feels like everyone is running in sand.

[richard2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by 8KB24

Don't fight him. He is an avid Curry ***** and MJ dickrider. Curry has deficiency of him being lesser defender as a PG which impacts the overall more than it does for MJ with his lesser shooting ability.

How am I an MJ dickrider? I don't hate Curry, the Jordan comparisons are just very premature. FFS, people wouldn't put LeBron on Jordan's level even after putting up 27/7/7 for 6+ years. Curry is an amazing shooter, but you can't say he's some all-time great yet.

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[SpeedyClaxton]

Quote: Originally Posted by richard2001

How am I an MJ dickrider? I don't hate Curry, the Jordan comparisons are just very premature. FFS, people wouldn't put LeBron on Jordan's level even after putting up 27/7/7 for 6+ years. Curry is an amazing shooter, but you can't say he's some all-time great yet. Sent from my SM-G386W using Tapatalk

I remember nobody compared Iverson with all time greats during his early 2000 runs on title with 76ers, when he decided to call it quits they called him greatest pound for pound player in NBA and it's justified but it also shows how people jump on bandwagons these days unlike 13-14 years ago.

Nobody from my friends rooted for teams like Clippers, Warriors 10 years ago lol when they had likes of Andris Biedrins or Michael Olowakandi on their rosters and now their fanbase is like 10 times bigger. I have rooted for Nets when they were force on east back in early 2000's and even now i root for them even they are 76ers on steroids to call it like that. People don't root for franchises anymore but instead they root for certain player or group of players who happen to play there.

I remember back then Denver had lots of fans including some of my friends when they had Melo, Iverson, Camby combination but when Melo left to NY, AI to Pistons soon nobody rooted for Denver anymore which shows what kind of supporters that team had (or to be perfectly honest didn't had after all).

People nowadays support players because of their current abilites not because their possible potential, that's why lot of people like and cherish Curry now but who liked him when he had trouble with ankles coming into league ? When he was injured almost week after week with ankle sprains i guess there are very few 'true' fans who rooted for him back then.

Same happened with Lin in 2012 on his brilliant but short run with Knicks, people were hyped, buying his jerseys, called his name, facebook followers doubled/tripled over night because our society is like that, only appreciates 'instant impact' or to be more clear what is great today might be also forgotten tomorrow since that period i guess nobody cares about Lin anymore now in Hornets playing average basketball.

I'm not surprised with this at all and Curry's run is nothing short of amazing and i still want that run to continue as long as it's possible but at the same time i know that these GSW fans are not true fans (although i believe there are very few of those true longtime fans) same happened with Heat few years ago people were supporting Heat, claiming they were 'die-hard' Heat fans but only 9% of them recognized Mourning on one of older basketball photos which truly shows their fan identity.

To conclude my post: In basketball there are many generations, my generation is late 90's, my favourite players are Speedy Claxton and Vince Carter but my favourite team is BKN Nets and i couldn't ever support Grizzlies solely because Carter now plays there. Today society is different, they want instant success, instant impact and instant numbers. No need to compare Curry's great run with any of those past him because each one is unique and individual and we should enjoy while it lasts.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpeedyClaxton

No argue this is historic season for Curry but there is only one Jordan, the GOAT and there should end of discussion about that.

Negative. All great players are eventually eclipsed. Jordan was not infallible, but there are a lot of fans who think so.

Curry is unequivocally the best shooter in the history of the world. I.E. the GOAT. There is clearly a discussion to be had, rather than a topic to be brushed off like dandruff.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpeedyClaxton

I remember nobody compared Iverson with all time greats during his early 2000 runs on title with 76ers, when he decided to call it quits they called him greatest pound for pound player in NBA and it's justified but it also shows how people jump on bandwagons these days unlike 13-14 years ago.

1. ...Iverson WAS compared to greats during his run (of course, he was he was also majorly overrated, given tangible evidence that doesn't apply to Stephen Curry or the Warriors).

2. Iverson called it quits two years after NBA teams chose not to sign him, and there have been plenty of articles written about him that present him in a less than positive light (that he was an alcoholic)

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Nobody from my friends rooted for teams like Clippers, Warriors 10 years ago lol when they had likes of Andris Biedrins or Michael Olowakandi on their rosters and now their fanbase is like 10 times bigger

Should they have? Did anyone root for the Bulls before they got Jordan? The NBA is a star's league compared to the NFL or MLB.

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People don't root for franchises anymore but instead they root for certain player or group of players who happen to play there.

This is an effect of free agency. 20-30 years ago NBA franchises had much more roster stability... Of course, stars frequently found themselves beholden to terrible contracts (Scottie Pippen: 20 million TOTAL over 7 years) and would have bolted in a heartbeat given the opportunity.

There is a great deal more roster turnover nowadays which is why fans are more likely to "jump ship".

Also, I'm pretty sure the Warriors have earned their fans, new or old. How can one watch them play and not be a fan of the team? I have little interest in Geographical lines on a map dictating who I am supposed to like in the 21st century (not to mention the advents of the modern age like NBATV, League Pass, the internet, etc etc etc cater to the ease of access to whatever team a person deems fit to follow).

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I remember back then Denver had lots of fans including some of my friends when they had Melo, Iverson, Camby combination but when Melo left to NY, AI to Pistons soon nobody rooted for Denver anymore which shows what kind of supporters that team had (or to be perfectly honest didn't had after all).

Are fans supposed to pay big money to watch a lottery team?

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People nowadays support players because of their current abilites not because their possible potential, that's why lot of people like and cherish Curry now but who liked him when he had trouble with ankles coming into league ? When he was injured almost week after week with ankle sprains i guess there are very few 'true' fans who rooted for him back then.

Disagree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.

Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq all came in and had immediate impact, nobody followed them because of "possible potential". Were Karl Malone fans all band wagoners because his first two seasons were mediocre? How many fans did Dirk Nowitzki have coming into the league (I imagine this number was not tangibly different from Andrea Bargnani).

God forbid fans recognize that a player worked his *** off to elevate his stature (or vice versa)... nevermind that the vast majority of fans don't see these players before they even enter the league... so how are they going to form opinions on them without context?

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Same happened with Lin in 2012 on his brilliant but short run with Knicks, people were hyped, buying his jerseys, called his name, facebook followers doubled/tripled over night because our society is like that, only appreciates 'instant impact' or to be more clear what is great today might be also forgotten tomorrow since that period i guess nobody cares about Lin anymore now in Hornets playing average basketball.

Curry has already won MVP and a championship but I guess this sounded like a good comparison in your head. Lin's impact was primarily cultural and took place in a market absolutely starved for quality basketball.

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I'm not surprised with this at all and Curry's run is nothing short of amazing

I could have sworn the same thing was said about Jordan 25 years ago, when calling him the "GOAT, end of discussion" would have been blasphemous, given that he was coming off the tails of Magic/Bird (and to a lesser extent Russell/Wilt).

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To conclude my post: In basketball there are many generations, my generation is late 90's, my favourite players are Speedy Claxton and Vince Carter but my favourite team is BKN Nets and i couldn't ever support Grizzlies solely because Carter now plays there.

....Granted, Carter is the 10th man, hasn't been a starter in 4 years, is playing on his 5th team in 8 years, but sure, admirable restraint, I guess that puts you a leg up on the "nobody cares" spectrum of the fair weather fan validity debate.

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Today society is different, they want instant success, instant impact and instant numbers. No need to compare Curry's great run with any of those past him because each one is unique and individual and we should enjoy while it lasts.

...It's almost as if.... we have this instantaneous... impact, success, these numbers... why, it's almost as if they're right at our finger tips? By god, where am I? I'm ONLINE???????

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[richard2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

Negative. All great players are eventually eclipsed. Jordan was not infallible, but there are a lot of fans who think so. Curry is unequivocally the best shooter in the history of the world. I.E. the GOAT. There is clearly a discussion to be had, rather than a topic to be brushed off like dandruff.

Are you talking about Curry being GOAT shooter, or GOAT overall? Also, not everybody gets eclipsed. As a scorer, I don't think Jordan will be eclipsed. As a point forward, I don't see LeBron being eclipsed. It's ridiculous to say Curry could surpass Jordan, off the back of one elite season.

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[richard2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

Disagree with this sentiment wholeheartedly. Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq all came in and had immediate impact, nobody followed them because of "possible potential". Were Karl Malone fans all band wagoners because his first two seasons were mediocre? How many fans did Dirk Nowitzki have coming into the league (I imagine this number was not tangibly different from Andrea Bargnani). God forbid fans recognize that a player worked his *** off to elevate his stature (or vice versa)... nevermind that the vast majority of fans don't see these players before they even enter the league... so how are they going to form opinions on them without context? Curry has already won MVP and a championship but I guess this sounded like a good comparison in your head. Lin's impact was primarily cultural and took place in a market absolutely starved for quality basketball.

Are you going to tell me that the Curry bandwagon isn't even a bit ridiculous? One true MVP season (no way should he have won last year) doesn't make him an all-time great, the best scorer ever, or even close to top 25 all-time (looking at you ESPN). He's the best shooter to ever play, no doubt, but he hasn't done all that much.


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[SpeedyClaxton]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

1. ...Iverson WAS compared to greats during his run (of course, he was he was also majorly overrated, given tangible evidence that doesn't apply to Stephen Curry or the Warriors). 2. Iverson called it quits two years after NBA teams chose not to sign him, and there have been plenty of articles written about him that present him in a less than positive light (that he was an alcoholic) Should they have? Did anyone root for the Bulls before they got Jordan? The NBA is a star's league compared to the NFL or MLB. This is an effect of free agency. 20-30 years ago NBA franchises had much more roster stability... Of course, stars frequently found themselves beholden to terrible contracts (Scottie Pippen: 20 million TOTAL over 7 years) and would have bolted in a heartbeat given the opportunity. There is a great deal more roster turnover nowadays which is why fans are more likely to "jump ship". Also, I'm pretty sure the Warriors have earned their fans, new or old. How can one watch them play and not be a fan of the team? I have little interest in Geographical lines on a map dictating who I am supposed to like in the 21st century (not to mention the advents of the modern age like NBATV, League Pass, the internet, etc etc etc cater to the ease of access to whatever team a person deems fit to follow). Are fans supposed to pay big money to watch a lottery team? Disagree with this sentiment wholeheartedly. Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq all came in and had immediate impact, nobody followed them because of "possible potential". Were Karl Malone fans all band wagoners because his first two seasons were mediocre? How many fans did Dirk Nowitzki have coming into the league (I imagine this number was not tangibly different from Andrea Bargnani). God forbid fans recognize that a player worked his *** off to elevate his stature (or vice versa)... nevermind that the vast majority of fans don't see these players before they even enter the league... so how are they going to form opinions on them without context? Curry has already won MVP and a championship but I guess this sounded like a good comparison in your head. Lin's impact was primarily cultural and took place in a market absolutely starved for quality basketball. I could have sworn the same thing was said about Jordan 25 years ago, when calling him the "GOAT, end of discussion" would have been blasphemous, given that he was coming off the tails of Magic/Bird (and to a lesser extent Russell/Wilt). ....Granted, Carter is the 10th man, hasn't been a starter in 4 years, is playing on his 5th team in 8 years, but sure, admirable restraint, I guess that puts you a leg up on the "nobody cares" spectrum of the fair weather fan validity debate. ...It's almost as if.... we have this instantaneous... impact, success, these numbers... why, it's almost as if they're right at our finger tips? By god, where am I? I'm ONLINE??????? *Exits Browser*

I respect your opinion on every single sentence you wrote, fact is you are driven by the numbers and facts. You follow NBA ten times more than a regular fan and your knowledge of advanced stats is deep and comprehensive whereas i can't disucuss with you in such direction because as much as i love and watch basketball i'm not that much into every single thing that happens especially in stats category.


Secondly i would add that by no means i dismiss Curry's great and unbeliveable run he's having, i'm just advocating to start comparing when all is said and done. He won MVP award and a championship last year, this year MVP title is about 99% in his hands and championship as well almost certain thing. Comparing him now to all-time greats is premature decision because he is in his prime and this whole comparing thing sounds lot more reasonable when someone career is over, like now Kobe's.


I would add also regarding this discussion that i'm old-school basketball lover, in reality that means 90% of people are in awe of new era centers/forwards alias DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin and of course their highflying acrobatics would always score more points in general public than a good footwork or impeccable post moves. While i still enjoy those little feints, pump fakes, shimmy fakes and all in between but also at the same time i know what attracts most of fans out there.


How can one watch them play and not be a fan of the team? This sentence i wouldn't agree with because since i own League Pass i watch majority of games but at the same time i'm not fan of let's say 90% of these teams. Last night i watched Washington vs Philly not because of great basketball but to see can Philly put up a surprise and stun Wizards @ home and they were close but not enough in the 4th quarter. I have teams that i dislike such as Miami Heat but i still watch their games because i'm fan of game not of some specific player or team. Many times lowrated lottery teams provided tight games and OT thrill rather than these teams fans pay big money to watch as you say.