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NBA 2K14 - Next Gen Reveal Trailer

11:37 PM - June 10, 2013 by Steve_OS

2K Sports released their Next-Gen NBA 2K14 trailer during the Sony E3 2013 Press Conference this evening.

The 'NBA 2K14 – Next Gen Reveal' segment featured NBA 2K14 cover athlete LeBron James discussing life as "Video Game James" with a digital version of himself, while showing off some of his on the court moves in NBA 2K14. All of the footage was NOT pre-rendered and shown from a pre-alpha PS4 build.

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# 381 Sundown @ 06/17/13 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jersez


	I'm not trying to argue, but there aren't a lot of current gen games that have facial expressions down, and if you watch the video again, you can see the small subtle muscles in Lebron face when he speaks, you can tell that video game James is coming off as cocky if you turn the volume all the way down.

You actually bring up a big part of the problem. It looks better with the volume down because his expressions and moments don't quite mesh naturally with the dialogue.

I agree that the tech they showed looks pretty decent. The little muscle movements are complicated and it's nice to see them implemented.

However, artistically, it was jarring because the movements didn't seem human and didn't come in a natural flow. If it was one or the other, I'd much more prefer a simpler animation system with less exaggeration that's believable and doesn't have as much of a creepy factor.

Many, many, games accomplish this without feeling jarring and unnatural. Sometimes they use understated expressions to accomplish that and I think that's a better approach to over exaggerated ones and odd head movements and twitches especially when the subject matter is a real person.

I agree that LA Noire was one of the few to incorporate both nuanced and natural expressions.

Anyway, the tech looks good. Likely the artists just didn't kill themselves to replicate Jame's presence perfectly in a one shot promo, but the flaws are pretty evident. I just disagree that this is the height of facial expression animation in video games, where too little is probably better than too much. There are too many problems and weirdnesses to crown it that but I appreciate the effort and potential.

I am curious about the tech, whether it's a system like LA Noire's that scans expressions or if it was hand animated. I have a feeling it's the former but with a set up that's not well tuned yet. If its the latter, I can see why there might be issues as 2K hasn't been doing a lot of advance facial animations in their games and might not have the experience to crank out realistic animations quickly.

Anyway, if they have a facial scan system, I'm looking forward to seeing what else they do with it. Maybe your MyPlayer will also animate semi-realistically as acted out by the guy recording interview dialogue. Hopefully it means a lot more signature facial expressions for players, and those are more tolerant to imperfect capture than a long talking head sequence.

Tim Duncan would be perfectly captured either way. :P

# 382 jersez @ 06/18/13 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundown


	You actually bring up a big part of the problem. It looks better with the volume down because his expressions and moments don't quite mesh naturally with the dialogue. I agree that the tech they showed looks pretty decent. The little muscle movements are complicated and it's nice to see them implemented. However, artistically, it was jarring because the movements didn't seem human and didn't come in a natural flow. If it was one or the other, I'd much more prefer a simpler animation system with less exaggeration that's believable and doesn't have as much of a creepy factor. Many, many, games accomplish this without feeling jarring and unnatural. Sometimes they use understated expressions to accomplish that and I think that's a better approach to over exaggerated ones and odd head movements and twitches especially when the subject matter is a real person. I agree that LA Noire was one of the few to incorporate both nuanced and natural expressions. Anyway, the tech looks good. Likely the artists just didn't kill themselves to replicate Jame's presence perfectly in a one shot promo, but the flaws are pretty evident. I just disagree that this is the height of facial expression animation in video games, where too little is probably better than too much. There are too many problems and weirdnesses to crown it that but I appreciate the effort and potential. I am curious about the tech, whether it's a system like LA Noire's that scans expressions or if it was hand animated. I have a feeling it's the former but with a set up that's not well tuned yet. If its the latter, I can see why there might be issues as 2K hasn't been doing a lot of advance facial animations in their games and might not have the experience to crank out realistic animations quickly. Anyway, if they have a facial scan system, I'm looking forward to seeing what else they do with it. Maybe your MyPlayer will also animate semi-realistically as acted out by the guy recording interview dialogue. Hopefully it means a lot more signature facial expressions for players, and those are more tolerant to imperfect capture than a long talking head sequence. Tim Duncan would be perfectly captured either way. :P

I agree man lol, and you pretty much sum everything up that needs fixing, but players have never talked in NBA 2k, they've yelled, screamed, showed anger, but they've never talked. So I wouldn't expect talking in 2k14. But yeah I agree the setting down scene was a off, but the "gameplay" footage was really impressive to me. Besides the puppet mouth thing.

# 383 Boilerbuzz @ 06/18/13 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KyotoCarl


	Thank you. Those things sound cool but we haven't gotten a detailed explanation to as what they do. Liquid Ai sounds awesome, but what is it..

Liquid AI goes back to the days of Madden 98. It was horsesh*t marketing speak, basically.

# 384 Rockie_Fresh88 @ 06/18/13 02:42 AM

Hoping for realistic player movements/fundamentals above all.

I have never seen 2k this arcadey online before

# 385 Sundown @ 06/18/13 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jersez


	I agree man lol, and you pretty much sum everything up that needs fixing, but players have never talked in NBA 2k, they've yelled, screamed, showed anger, but they've never talked. So I wouldn't expect talking in 2k14. But yeah I agree the setting down scene was a off, but the "gameplay" footage was really impressive to me. Besides the puppet mouth thing.

Well your my player talks, sorta.

Looking at the footage again, I'm thinking they used some sort of motion capture marker setup for Lebron, or a system that doesn't quite capture eyes well. You can see how most of his face is actually not bad, but his eyes just don't seem to sync with his brow expressions. Also he looks in random directions, which makes him seem like he doesn't understand how conversations work. Hah.

But yes, the in-game animations should be massively improved, even if they don't fix the sliding, which they better.

# 386 jersez @ 06/18/13 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundown


	Well your my player talks, sorta. Looking at the footage again, I'm thinking they used some sort of motion capture marker setup for Lebron, or a system that doesn't quite capture eyes well. You can see how most of his face is actually not bad, but his eyes just don't seem to sync with his brow expressions. Also he looks in random directions, which makes him seem like he doesn't understand how conversations work. Hah. But yes, the in-game animations should be massively improved, even if they don't fix the sliding, which they better.

I agree, I think the unnatural and awkwardness is from Lebron, he isn't the best actor. Look at his flops lol, but seriously I think it's a combination of the marks and lebrons acting ability.

# 387 midwestking100 @ 07/03/13 11:37 PM

hoping to see some classic players and arenas in the next gen,

# 388 KyotoCarl @ 07/04/13 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jersez


	I agree, I think the unnatural and awkwardness is from Lebron, he isn't the best actor. Look at his flops lol, but seriously I think it's a combination of the marks and lebrons acting ability.

This looks more animated that motion captured to me though.

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# 389 I Djm @ 07/04/13 10:18 PM

im not putting much stock into what i saw yea it doesn't look the best but when has something like this been important in a sports game anyway. i'll reserve my judgement when i see gameplay and if my career/player, and player creation has been improved it's literally no excuse not to improve those last two i listed

# 390 YourDadHasAJumpShot @ 09/03/13 03:07 PM

# 391 KyotoCarl @ 09/03/13 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by YourDadHasAJumpShot

Cool remix but this thread is about NEXT GEN trailer.

# 392 YourDadHasAJumpShot @ 09/03/13 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KyotoCarl


	Cool remix but this thread is about NEXT GEN trailer.

All of the LbJ in the black jersey footage is next gen

# 393 KyotoCarl @ 09/03/13 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by YourDadHasAJumpShot


	All of the LbJ in the black jersey footage is next gen

Still the wrong thread. This is to discuss the next gen trailer, not post remixes. There is a trailer remix thread though. You should post it there cause it was really good.

# 394 YourDadHasAJumpShot @ 09/04/13 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by KyotoCarl


	Still the wrong thread. This is to discuss the next gen trailer, not post remixes. There is a trailer remix thread though. You should post it there cause it was really good.

Already there

# 395 YourDadHasAJumpShot @ 09/04/13 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KyotoCarl


	Still the wrong thread. This is to discuss the next gen trailer, not post remixes. There is a trailer remix thread though. You should post it there cause it was really good.

I must have missed the directions left by Steve OS.. Post seemed pretty open ended.. Sharing the trailer for everybody to view, enjoy, discuss, elaborate, speculate and create upon.. Maybe that's just me tho.

# 396 ffaacc03 @ 09/24/13 10:08 PM

Now that the floodgates have been open (with current gen reviews and videos)

, let us see more of this ...

pretty please ?

As much of a good/great game 2k14 current gen is, cant but stop thinking about next gen ... I am really trying to lower my expectations but flesh is weak and it is hard not to keep them raising instead.

# 397 JasonWilliams55 @ 09/24/13 10:16 PM

^
ffaacc03,

I said this on twitter earlier

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	nba2kweekly ‏@nba2kweekly 33m @2K to #makeup for #nodemo #2k should fire #1st #nxtgen #infobomb yes I like that idea

# 398 infam0us @ 09/24/13 10:19 PM

It would be dope if they dropped a next gen clip or something but I'm expecting something after the release of current gen. I doubt they want to show up the current gen product.

# 399 JasonWilliams55 @ 09/24/13 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by infam0us


	It would be dope if they dropped a next gen clip or something but I'm expecting something after the release of current gen. I doubt they want to show up the current gen product.

I actually think it might help sales.

# 400 Shakedowncapo @ 09/24/13 11:13 PM

Especially if they make it known that upgrading to the next-gen version will only cost $10!

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