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It looks like NBA Live 13 is coming out as a digital release after all and not a full on $60 AAA title if the report from IRB Gamer today is to be believed. This seems a pretty big admission that Live simply isn't ready for prime-time obviously, which also obviously seems to be the case. What a mess.

IRB Gamer has the scoop:

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"It’s been almost 3 years since we’ve released an NBA title,” the EA rep said. The tactic is to get feedback from gamers. However, it’s a bit risky to not run it as the AAA title as thedecision has been made to NOT put the game on disc.

Live will be looking at a price point around $19.99
,” equaling out to 1600 Microsoft Points or $20 PlayStation Network card.

What do you guys think? Smart decision by EA? Does this mean Live isn't up to par quality wise?

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# 321 SHAKYR @ 09/01/12 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Slim4824
Smart idea. Don't buy the game because the pre-alpha build looks horrible. Even the best games pre-alpha builds are very very rough around the edges.

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You can't be serious. I hope this post is sarcasm. A Pre Alpha doesn't have that much in it's build. I played Pre Alphas, Alphas, and Betas. What they displayed was too far along in production.
Why do you think they stamped a $20 price tag on it? They did this because that is what fans are getting.
 
# 322 RayRay34 @ 09/01/12 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by NoTiCe_O
The only difference is, ESPN NFL 2k5 came out for $19.99 when a new retail games cost $49.99. Live 13 is coming out for 19.99 when a new retail games cost $59.99.

So this is actually a better deal than ESPN NFL 2k5. 2k you were getting for 40% of the original price and Live your getting for a third or 33% of the original price.

Can we really complain? Especially when you don't "have" to buy the game.
Wait a minute now.... THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE PRICE IN GAMES BETWEEN NOW AND 7 YEARS AGO!!! Stop smoking crack kid!!! The difference is you have the most complete football game ever made for twenty bucks vs a pile doo doo for twenty.
 
# 323 Drewski @ 09/01/12 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by deuce_knickz
jay-z is my idol but him and legends wont brainwash me into buying the same game I've seen since 2k10, sorry
The game has changed drastically since 10, what are you talking about?

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# 324 SavoyPrime @ 09/01/12 11:15 AM
In my opinion, they started off on the wrong foot by using assets from Elite. In no way, shape, or form should that have happened. Using assets from a failed game is not how you build a new game. The time they spent cycling through assets they could use from Elite could have been time spent building a new engine. I don't know if EA was just trying to be cheap and not invest a lot on the rebuilding of the franchise or what. But when you've been out of the game for two seasons, you don't try to make a comeback by recycling a canceled game and trying to be lite with the budget. Live has forever been tarnished.
 
# 325 nova91 @ 09/01/12 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Drewski
The game has changed drastically since 10, what are you talking about?

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This is what I don't get, guys would rather spend their money on a series that was so bad at one point that it got cancelled and it's next installment looks drastically worse than it's best effort in years than a game that is improving each year.

These guys talk about getting Live '13/Elite 1.5 instead of 2K because it's different, when they should just stick to playing Live '10 with updated rosters. Live '10 looks better than Live '13 and if Live '13 plays anything at all like Elite, Live '10 will play better than Live '13 as well.
 
# 326 lon515 @ 09/01/12 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chandlerbang
Nobody knows anything about the game thats the point of all threads. 30 days till OCT 2nd and still nothing official from EA. Atleast give some gameplay or release date info because people will get their feelings crushed when they blindly buy a 20 dollar beta without a demo first. EA is about $$$ and right now they are going to milk live faithful ( guys who will buy just because its made by EA) to death with this game.
In my opinion NbA2K11 is the best basketball game on the current gen consoles and 2K13 does not look better than that to me.

So instead of spend 60$ i could spend and hour's worth of a paycheck and get live with updated rosters, online, a franchise mode, acceptable presentation, great crowd atmosphere and a since its not polished enough to be a full sim arcade mixed in with sim for and enjoyable experience

its a game the point is to have fun so if you can have fun for a lower cost than its even better.
 
# 327 jimwell_rey @ 09/01/12 01:24 PM
If they release this on PS Vita, i'll definitely get the game.
 
# 328 jreezy18 @ 09/01/12 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by lon515
In my opinion NbA2K11 is the best basketball game on the current gen consoles and 2K13 does not look better than that to me.

So instead of spend 60$ i could spend and hour's worth of a paycheck and get live with updated rosters, online, a franchise mode, acceptable presentation, great crowd atmosphere and a since its not polished enough to be a full sim arcade mixed in with sim for and enjoyable experience

its a game the point is to have fun so if you can have fun for a lower cost than its even better.
I can kind of respect this but the problem I see with attitudes like this is if it becomes a habit. It's OK to be happy when you get something from a horrible situation but you should never be completely satisfied. Never settle for mediocre, the series doesn't deserve it and fans don't deserve it. I don't know how EA had NBA Elite 11 turn out so horrible but it's happened for the second time straight. Even if people do have some fun with this game EA still needs to hear that this type of quality is still not acceptable. The playing field should be a lot more even between NBA Live and any competitors.
 
# 329 lon515 @ 09/01/12 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jreezy18
I can kind of respect this but the problem I see with attitudes like this is if it becomes a habit. It's OK to be happy when you get something from a horrible situation but you should never be completely satisfied. Never settle for mediocre, the series doesn't deserve it and fans don't deserve it. I don't know how EA had NBA Elite 11 turn out so horrible but it's happened for the second time straight. Even if people do have some fun with this game EA still needs to hear that this type of quality is still not acceptable. The playing field should be a lot more even between NBA Live and any competitors.
o trust me they will hear people bashing the game. they are probably on here right now reading this. but the game changers should but up some good information that should advance the game.

and then i go back to the fact that to me they were trying to compete with 2k this because they only had 8 months to work on the game. so they build of the positives they have this year. atmosphere, presentation and go forward and we will see what happens next year but until then . i see no problem with buy a roster update with good aspects for 20$.
 
# 330 lon515 @ 09/01/12 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chandlerbang
your loss bro, i want the best game possible and thats 2k13 this year. Live for $20 means that if its trash i will be stuck with it which is EA's plan in the first place so they can continue making $$ while in rebuilding mode. This feels like the NFL 2k vs Madden debate all over again. I was on the 2k side BUT that game was clearly better than madded and $20 less. If all you want is short lived fun then enjoy but i prefer quality over everthing else. That 40 dollar price diffence is nothing to me for playing possibly the best bball game ever made. I loved EA but like the old guys on this forum, its sad to watch them fall flat on their faces yet again for 3rd year straight. If you prefer turning blind eye to this travisty you need to become a member over at the offical live forum. Its dead even the head mod is under NDA and cant talk about live 13 smh
i don't see a loss on my part. a game is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. and even with all the realistic features 2k has . it just isn't really that fun unless you got friend with you. but then you can get the same type of fun with live if you get a friend.

i always had fun going threw a live season. like a said before 2k11 is the best basketball game on this console i love it but. just because it is better does not mean it is fun. if that makes sense for you. if it don't o well it makes sense to me
 
# 331 lon515 @ 09/01/12 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kingpnp3
2k does it every year. every year they lie about the servers. every year you darn near have to wait until santa comes to bring you a decent online experience. its been that way for like uhhhhhh 5 years or so.

yet we run to the store and pre-order. if we were so tough on these games we wouldnt by them first day. no pre-orders at all. rent them first. wait for them to fix their stuff. and let them know it will be the same next time until you get it right on release day. thats how you do it. but there are to many 2kfanboys/girls, and to many nba live fanboys/girls to ever do something like this.

2k wouldnt tell us officially if crew was in 2k12. why not? they were afraid their would be a "NO BUY" on the part of all those who loved crew mode. they tricked you into buying it. and allowed users to keep asking them for months and then finally leaking info admitting it will never be in this installment. even up to the point of that legends download. people THOUGHT crewmode may be in there. they asked ronnie2k on twitter. he never said it wasnt. why not? cause he wants your money.

so dont act as if 2k is any more moral on how they do business. just so happesn their game is better then ea's at this point. they are still using and abusing us to a degree. because they know they can, since they have ZERO comp. thats exactly what made LIVE fall off the face of the earth.

lastly i think the devs pushed for them to make a $20 release this year vs another cancelling. because they want to show people this is what we've worked on. but were still not given enough time to put all the touches in. remember the interview when the guy said we didnt work on it for 3 game cycles only 1. thats a darn shame. but thats not his fault. thats EA's higher ups using these guys on other games instead of just LIVE and live only to bring it back up to part. if you give any top notch programmers 3 game cycles to produce a game they will produce a killer game. period point blank. but if you dont give them that chance. even though they should've had that chance. they may or may not produce a hot game. thats what we're looking at now. the devs probably are crying to upper management like "guys let the people have it. and let them tell you how they really feel about it. "

because the devs know we are going to blast it and tear it apart. but also see their vision on where they are trying to take it. so we can specifically ask ea's upper management.to give the devs the tools to allow them to do their jobs.
good post. someone with some sense
 
# 332 noshun @ 09/01/12 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kingpnp3
lets say this 20 dollar thing is true. the real reason that you and I need to buy the game and BETA test it. i know, lol why do we have to pay for a beta version? because thats what has to happen when you have devs spending months making a game. they have to get paid they have families to feed, etc. so it is what it is.

but yes you have to BETA test this game in order to break down whats currently wrong with it. not whats wrong with some video of it. but the ACTUAL GAME play, controll responsiveness, etc. if you play the game then you could say "ok ea, i see where you guys are trying to go. but if you do this it will probably get you there faster and with a better product." vs "live 10 was better then elite, so just make live 10 + more." stop that. time to move on.

i also think the devs rather have the core SIM lovers beta test it at 20 bucks. then be force fed NBA jams the 5 on 5 edition because they had to get the casual gamer to buy in at 60 bucks. sim vs arcade. there are less people that want sim than arcade. we know this for a fact. what no one knows is what happens if you make it SIM properly where you can do anything you want, it just doesnt mean it will be successful. i'm talking about not putting in 2k like stops in the game where it wont allow you to do certain things so it wont produce an unrealistic situation.
i'm saying leave it in there, and let real physics and game strategy dictate the true outcome.
i've said this a million times. i should be able to shoot a hook shot from half court. but it should be programmed in. to only go in 1 time out of a 1 million tries. thats the difference between a bogus game not allowing that shot at all to make it LOOK real, so you never see anyone taking that shot(because some people do take that shot even just messing around at the end of a qtr.) or some game like elite where they didnt notice the shot from halfcourt had a 100% fg rating as long as you release the shot on time. thats a lack of real physics and programming factoring in everything (where the person is on the court in relationship to how often that shot ever hits in real life) this is the kind of feedback they need. but i guarantee they are not getting from the AD council or these other guys going up to EA.

these guys are going up there with hoop knowlege but zero knowledge of programming. and the programmers are telling them "thats a great idea but if we do that we have to overhaul this or that and it may or may not work, blah blah blah. i would go in there. and say SO. TRY IT. what do you have to lose? spend the extra hours to make it right. because once u get the foundation down pat, everything else is easy(so to speak).

a $20 beta tester for all of us may be the only way LIVE ever gets back on track. that doesnt mean if you buy it you accept their BS. it means you want to HELP them make it better. now dont play it and no its not up to par but still act as if its a AAA game. that would be a lie. and that kind of stuff stunts the growth of a game/franchise like this.
The problem with your argument is that these devs dont see anything wrong with their game so they end up dumbfounded when we critique them harder than they expect.
The devs already received their paychecks. I see people on these forums talking about its a new dev team etc etc, but the fact is this new dev teams, is using the old devs teams game code/animations/art and there are posters who talk about they disregard the old game (elite) becuase this is a new dev team. does that make any sense when at all? its hypocritical.
This game wont do Facebreaker numbers, and if it does, its still going to get dwarfed in sales. Yeah sales arent a factor in terms of quality, but these suits and investors will look at those numbers more than anything else.
Its sad to see this play like this.. i remember doing QA on Live 07 and 08, and specifically saying why the heck does this game play like this, reporting bugs and all, only to be told thanks but we arent looking at these issues you pointed out right now. We'll hold onto them, but our priority is connectivity and and other stuff they had me working on.
The main issue with Live is animations and transition animations. All games have canned animations. Its the coding on which keyframe you will allow input from the controller to start the next animation. What elite did was allow you to breakoout on any frame, without proper transition animation to ease into the next animation. what you ended up with was the user breaking out of animations causing spastic unrealistic portrayals of believable human movement. anyone who does animation like me will know what im talking about.
you can see that live13 is using elite animations as I will continue to point out for everyone to see. you will have people that "dont" want to see it, but its there. here is my post to that.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2044047704

the one thing i forgot to add to that posting was the way the players have that duck waddle when they walk or run, similar to live 2001 with kg on the cover. its the same in this supposedly "alpha video".

the players dont even look like they have facial expressions in live 13 yet, if they add any at all. now i can agree that you should be able to pull off any shot you deem that is within the confines of basketball, and it should look realistic, and conform to the limitations of human movement. thats where elite went wrong. im not going to speculate on what the AC said because we dont know, they only thing we can hope for is that these devs "get it" at some point, because right now, this thing isnt looking good.
Live 13 will already be hampered by the 2gb limit, so will they start charging for add on dlc? who knows. could be a possibility.

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Originally Posted by kingpnp3
lastly i think the devs pushed for them to make a $20 release this year vs another cancelling. because they want to show people this is what we've worked on. but were still not given enough time to put all the touches in. remember the interview when the guy said we didnt work on it for 3 game cycles only 1. thats a darn shame. but thats not his fault. thats EA's higher ups using these guys on other games instead of just LIVE and live only to bring it back up to part. if you give any top notch programmers 3 game cycles to produce a game they will produce a killer game. period point blank. but if you dont give them that chance. even though they should've had that chance. they may or may not produce a hot game. thats what we're looking at now. the devs probably are crying to upper management like "guys let the people have it. and let them tell you how they really feel about it. "

because the devs know we are going to blast it and tear it apart. but also see their vision on where they are trying to take it. so we can specifically ask ea's upper management.to give the devs the tools to allow them to do their jobs.
this post is hogwash.. you have no substancial evidence to prove anything said here, and dont know how devs vs suits work.
 
# 333 swac07 @ 09/01/12 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kingpnp3
lets say this 20 dollar thing is true. the real reason that you and I need to buy the game and BETA test it. i know, lol why do we have to pay for a beta version? because thats what has to happen when you have devs spending months making a game. they have to get paid they have families to feed, etc. so it is what it is.

but yes you have to BETA test this game in order to break down whats currently wrong with it. not whats wrong with some video of it. but the ACTUAL GAME play, controll responsiveness, etc. if you play the game then you could say "ok ea, i see where you guys are trying to go. but if you do this it will probably get you there faster and with a better product." vs "live 10 was better then elite, so just make live 10 + more." stop that. time to move on.
Wait lemme get this straight....you are saying the community must buy it to test it out to help ea?????????WHERE THEY DO THAT AT???? isn't that why companies hire testers?? isnt that what the game gamechangers and this board is for to give constructive feedback to help make a better live? this post can't be serious..if So I got a jumprope...give me 20 dollars and tell me if it works..let me know if its durable
 
# 334 Norris_Cole @ 09/01/12 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by youvalss
If true, EA is simply saying: "Our product isn't worth full price". At least they are honest. It's the first step toward making a better product (ideally).
Pretty bad example, 2k did this for years and their game was way better than Live
 
# 335 FLAWDAxBALLA954 @ 09/01/12 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by fitzgerald434
To be honest I think this is a smart move by EA having a 20$ price I'm guessing EA is doing this as a way to make up for the fans for canceling Elite 11 and then skipping a year as well. And for just 20$ I wouldnt mind buying the game as long as EA fixed the issues we saw in the leaked footage then I'll buy it.
I just came here to laugh at the desperate live fans lol I mean really a 20 digital download? Why not just include the game with an issue of game informer? Its really pathetic you guys are the loving boyfriends and ea is the lying cheating promiscuios gf that constantly burns you, let you just can't let her go. You will learn the hard way
 
# 336 FLAWDAxBALLA954 @ 09/01/12 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by swac07
Wait lemme get this straight....you are saying the community must buy it to test it out to help ea?????????WHERE THEY DO THAT AT???? isn't that why companies hire testers?? isnt that what the game gamechangers and this board is for to give constructive feedback to help make a better live? this post can't be serious..if So I got a jumprope...give me 20 dollars and tell me if it works..let me know if its durable


The mentality on here is so sad its laughable
They are just desperate and it shows. Been a 2k fan all my life thank god we dont hav these problems, life is good come join us at 2k.
 
# 337 FLAWDAxBALLA954 @ 09/01/12 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lon515
i don't see a loss on my part. a game is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. and even with all the realistic features 2k has . it just isn't really that fun unless you got friend with you. but then you can get the same type of fun with live if you get a friend.

i always had fun going threw a live season. like a said before 2k11 is the best basketball game on this console i love it but. just because it is better does not mean it is fun. if that makes sense for you. if it don't o well it makes sense to me
Just because something is better does'nt make it fun...hmmm..so you mean like..2 girls are better than 1 but just because 2 is better does'nt make it fun? Huh? I don't understand your logic sir
 
# 338 RandomPerson @ 09/01/12 04:13 PM
Some of the people here are ridiculous with their blind faith in EA. The game will be complete garbage. EA is basically admitting that by making it a $20 digital release. And no, that's not the same thing as NFL 2K5. 2K5 is arguably the greatest sports game of all time. The reason they're making it a $20 digital release is because they can't compete. Hell, one guy in this thread actually said he'd buy Live 13 no matter what. How stupid is that? I almost blame the consumers more than anybody for EA's mediocrity throughout this gen. They're spoon feeding people crap and they continue to buy it for some reason.
 
# 339 SHAKYR @ 09/01/12 04:43 PM
What I'm seeing here is that fans are accepting what ever EA is putting out like some Cult and protecting them like they are brainwashed. If fans accept this game and the game sells huge numbers EA will keep putting out the same or similar game over and over. The way people are going on in here EA is cheating itself by selling it for $20.

It's actually sad in a bad economy people would accept mediocre for any amount. I like competition and a choice too, but I refuse to buy a cheap car with four flats when I can buy a high performance car.
 
# 340 Sydney Deane @ 09/01/12 04:46 PM
I like many here foresee no competition from NBA Live. Live 13 will be a disfunctional product released merely to generate some profit. EA will only take their bottom line into account when developing video games, yet thats just my opinion.
 


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