Madden 12 News Post

Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

12:19 AM - June 17, 2011 by illwill10

According to Pastapadre and Kotaku, Phil Frazier (Executive Producer for Madden NFL) is the latest to leave EA Sports Tiburon.

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	"It is currently uncertain where he is headed however two prime possibilities are Row Sham Bow � the new social gaming company started by former Tiburon GM Philip Holt � or the massive social gaming company Zynga which has taken on several former Tiburon employees in the last year."

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# 241 BrianFifaFan @ 06/17/11 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings


	If there's one point I can put across, it's that what you say above is 100% due to technology, and not vision. And Madden, when we joined, at the end of 09 for Phil and start of 10 for me, was in the unfortunate position of needing both major technology overhauls AND major feature additions...so you have to pick and choose where the limited time goes.

Fair enough. And I do know that you were a driving force in trying to get Tiburon's tools up to the level of what they were using in Vancouver. For that I do say thanks, and have faith that the game will be better for it.It is also great to hear that Cam has expanded the gameplay team. I do remember Phil saying that would be non-productive, that a larger team doesn't neccessarily mean larger or faster improvements. I always kinda thought that was more about bottom line than being a valid argument. I do wish you both great success in your future endeavors!

BTW, I like you as GAMER Ian Cummings a lot more. You can fight back now.....

P.S. You know Im gonna be looking for you come Fifa 12 time. We still have a rubber match to settle the series.

# 242 K_GUN @ 06/17/11 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ODogg


	Did you read my post? It's evident to me that he's saying the engine is what it is and until the technology of a new engine is implemented the game will always have certain limitations. I don't think he meant the industry technology prohibited anything but rather the game as it stands now limits things... Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I took his statement..

do yourself a favor & go read some of Adembroski's posts.....

......heck I'll even paraphrase one of them......Adem mentioned that what IAN & PHIL will be known for is building tech tools that will allow the dev team to take huge steps in each dev cycle moving forward from M11 & beyond.

# 243 Only1LT @ 06/17/11 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by canes21


	Madden and NCAA do have some foot planting in the game, but not nearly enough, or to an extent most people want. 2k football games have foot planting as well, but it is so over exaggerated which makes it so much more apparent. As much as I like 2k8, it really does overdo the whole momentum and foot planting aspects. I think most of us would be happier if EA found the medium between what we have now and what 2k8 has. That would more than likely deliver the most realistic experience.

I could really go in to a very detailed retort, but I won't derail the thread with more 2K talk lol.

# 244 K_GUN @ 06/17/11 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Only1LT


	I could really go in to a very detailed retort, but I won't derail the thread with more 2K talk lol.

maybe u could make us a youtube video & show us instead

LOL

# 245 poopoop @ 06/17/11 10:02 PM

The whole youtubers vs game devs war is pretty hilarious on both sides.

# 246 roadman @ 06/17/11 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseySuave4


	to me this is good news. While this year's game looks great, the Madden team needs new blood. With EA being the only ones out there that can make an NFL game its good to see what others can do with the financial support EA provides. You guys don't honestly think these guys were the only ones who can make a football video game do you? I'm excited to see where the franchise goes from here. I wish that NCAA would get new blood in there as well and get guys like Ben out of there so we can get some hungry new blood in there. Some new guys who are chomping at the bit to take the franchise to a whole new level and aren't just sitting back on past success. Just because guys like Ian interacted with us on the boards doesn't mean he was amazing at what he did because in the last 5 years Madden has seen many of it's loyal fanbase, people who have been there from the start, turn on them and not buy the game. So i'm looking at all this change as a huge positive provided that the next crop of hungry developers are up to the high demands of the consumers.

Your new blood is Roy Harvey from NCAA.

# 247 BrianFifaFan @ 06/17/11 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Your new blood is Roy Harvey from NCAA.

Anyone named Harvey will be a sheer genius. Signed, Brian Harvey!

# 248 Only1LT @ 06/17/11 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by K_GUN


	maybe u could make us a youtube video & show us instead LOL

Maybe I'll start a poll thread to ask OSers to decide for me lol.

# 249 econoodle @ 06/17/11 10:26 PM

oh man, that guy seemed cool.
i liked him.

maybe Josh Looman moves up higher?
I wouldnt have a problem with a bigger role for 'Mr. Franchise'.

In any event I hope he is happy where he moves next.
life is short, go for yours Filly.

# 250 roadman @ 06/17/11 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by econoodle


	oh man, that guy seemed cool. i liked him. maybe Josh Looman moves up higher? I wouldnt have a problem with a bigger role for 'Mr. Franchise'. In any event I hope he is happy where he moves next. life is short, go for yours Filly.

It's already been announced that Roy Harvey from NCAA is taking Phil's spot.

# 251 canes21 @ 06/17/11 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrikan


	do you really want to go there? "brought us a game that was much closer to the vision of OS"? then why does Madden 12 have more similarities (gameplay wise) with Madden 08 (Ortiz's last year there) than Madden 09-11. you act like the player models were that much better in Madden 09? sure they were big those years, but they went from a photo-realistic look to a cartoony look with Madden 09-10...players were also skinny and short...but for this year they look like they went back to the photo-realistic look. Madden 09-11 had animation problems...players were jittery, and they also had weird running animations.....and of course ProTak affected on the field gameplay. but you look at Madden 12 and the gameplay reminds me of Madden 08, as far as tackling. I don't think it's a coincidence why some are excited about this year's version, because it is losing all the on the field gimmicks and going back to core gameplay. here is Madden 08...imo, it looks similar to Madden 12 gameplay wise.....compared to what we've had these past couple of years.

Nice long post, but I was just poking fun at Mr. Ortiz....

# 252 bkrich83 @ 06/18/11 12:24 AM

Am I the only one that finds it funny when people who have never written one line of code pass off their opinion on game engines as some sort of fact. What's even funnier is those opinions aren't even educated guesses.

It's almost as funny as troof chasers trying to give lessons on physics.

But it's nice to see the usual group of Madden trolls show up to the party.

# 253 convince @ 06/18/11 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings


	If there's one point I can put across, it's that what you say above is 100% due to technology, and not vision. And Madden, when we joined, at the end of 09 for Phil and start of 10 for me, was in the unfortunate position of needing both major technology overhauls AND major feature additions...so you have to pick and choose where the limited time goes.

Wasn't the engines rebuilt for this gen?

# 254 Skyboxer @ 06/18/11 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Broncos86


	This, coming from Adembroski, is good to hear and should be enough for this community to chill out.

This community, or the ones that post "the sky is falling" or "im scared about "insert feature here" will never chill out. It's still the "look at me , I found this issue" etc.. generation. It's one thing to try and make a game better but OS is way too tolerant with the general dip****s that just cant live without drama or agendas.

# 255 bkrich83 @ 06/18/11 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	I've been in the software design and coding business for over 30 years.

Then you are in the vast minority here.

# 256 bkrich83 @ 06/18/11 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyboxer


	This community, or the ones that post "the sky is falling" or "im scared about "insert feature here" will never chill out. It's still the "look at me , I found this issue" etc.. generation. It's one thing to try and make a game better but OS is way too tolerant with the general dip****s that just cant live without drama or agendas.

Absolutely. Those types of behaviors were supposed to have been cracked down on but that has yet to happen.

# 257 bkrich83 @ 06/18/11 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	Sorry, but the game isn't even up to where it was last gen yet. Consumers have every right to be dissatisfied. The nobody can criticize anything crowd is just as bad. OS is also way to tolerant with the above.

Difference between criticism and what he's talking about. Big difference.

# 258 Rules @ 06/18/11 12:43 AM

Good luck Phil definitely wish you the best bro!

Side note: everyone should realize how much they put into Madden 12 this year. We have Ian, Phil and company to thank for that massive push for change.

# 259 bkrich83 @ 06/18/11 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	It could be. I try to stay away from making those kinds of blanket statements though. All I can say is, here's to hoping that this years Madden is finally back to where it should have started on this next (now current) gen. I'm still taking a wait and see approach, but for the first time since going to the next gen, I'm at least a little interested in what they say they are doing.

I've never really been a Madden fan. I liked 05 ok and I like the PC version of 08. This is the first year I am looking forward to it's release in about a decade.

# 260 kehlis @ 06/18/11 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	The game has been flawed and missing essential features that previously existed. Like I said, customers have every right to be dissatisfied. I'm still staying open minded enough to find out if 2012 has gotten back to where it once was. It seems in some (franchise) features, 2012 will even surpass where it previously was. Just should not have taken this long. Customers have every right to be dissatisfied.

I guess I have missed where anyone has disagreed with this?

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