12:19 AM - June 17, 2011 by illwill10
According to Pastapadre and Kotaku, Phil Frazier (Executive Producer for Madden NFL) is the latest to leave EA Sports Tiburon.
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Madden 12 News Post
12:19 AM - June 17, 2011 by illwill10According to Pastapadre and Kotaku, Phil Frazier (Executive Producer for Madden NFL) is the latest to leave EA Sports Tiburon.
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I'm curious about the engineers though... the ones that do the serious coding. IMO, that's where Madden needs changes.
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DickDalewood @ 06/17/11 12:00 PM
It's interesting that this seems to be (so far) the biggest jump in quality we've gotten in Madden in quite some time, and it's the same year that both Ian and Phil have now left. I wonder how much say they had in this year's title, and if it was their vision that created what we've seen in videos thus far, or if that direction is coming from elsewhere.
I think the real results of these moves will be seen NEXT year... hopefully the end result doesn't go the route of NBA Elite after having a title that has seemingly improved so much. Steve eluded to it, but I really hope we don't end up realizing how great we had it now that these two guys are gone...
I think the real results of these moves will be seen NEXT year... hopefully the end result doesn't go the route of NBA Elite after having a title that has seemingly improved so much. Steve eluded to it, but I really hope we don't end up realizing how great we had it now that these two guys are gone...
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RogueHominid @ 06/17/11 12:05 PM
Tazdevil has some surprises in store on that score, fellas. Think of it like Oceans 11.
Back to the point of the thread, I'll say that having new draft classes with randomized names will make the online franchise experience much more compelling. Lots of us are looking forward to that.
Once again, thanks, Phil. Your demeanor at E3 was unbelievably pleasant given the sheer number of interviews and repeat questions and garbage players you had to see. I don't have that kind of patience. Thanks as well for the running man clip.
Back to the point of the thread, I'll say that having new draft classes with randomized names will make the online franchise experience much more compelling. Lots of us are looking forward to that.
Once again, thanks, Phil. Your demeanor at E3 was unbelievably pleasant given the sheer number of interviews and repeat questions and garbage players you had to see. I don't have that kind of patience. Thanks as well for the running man clip.
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This is probably for the best. Madden 12 is going to be the best Madden on the current gen, however it's been seven years since we've all played a new truly great football game. Ian took over on Madden 09 I believe and the game became better overall in my opinion, which isn't hard to accomplish considering how poor 08 was, but it's grown at a snail pace ever since. I know it's harder for them because they don't have multiple years to develop and things of the sort but really, Phil and Ian's games haven't been very good. Maybe they shouldn't have created features like fight for the fumble, just to remove them two years later, or create half time shows and weekly shows just to remove them two years later. it seems a lot of time ended up being wasted really. I wouldn't be surprised if madden 13 and 14 blew us out of the water now that these two are gone. It's nothing personal, but let's face it.. they've only made one good madden, and we haven't even played it yet, so who knows how many problems could arise.
Good luck to them in their career, but I really do feel this will be for the best.
Good luck to them in their career, but I really do feel this will be for the best.
I hate the departure of Ian and Phil, good luck on your futures, but where will the direction of Madden go from here? I still play Madden 11, today. Hopefully, the franchise is in good hands.
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Conspiracy theorists take note.
I'm guessing your between the lines posting has something to do with the Marketing Dept.
Phil seems like ever the professional. Taking all the questions at E3, marketing Madden and knowing he has the potential of leaving the company shortly.
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# 189
SageInfinite @ 06/17/11 12:52 PM
Great thread guys really entertaining.
Personally for me I wish all the departing members luck in their future endeavors. I can't say how I feel about any of them leaving because I don't know who was responsible for what I like about madden and what I don't like, so really I don't know what difference it makes. I do appreciate the effort that Ian and Phil put into getting info from these very boards though.
This news was certainly surprising to me though.
Personally for me I wish all the departing members luck in their future endeavors. I can't say how I feel about any of them leaving because I don't know who was responsible for what I like about madden and what I don't like, so really I don't know what difference it makes. I do appreciate the effort that Ian and Phil put into getting info from these very boards though.
This news was certainly surprising to me though.
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As many have already said, have you ever just thought that Phil decided it was time for a change, or has received a great new opportunity?
I think it's time to put this mindset to bed that if someone from EA leaves it is because they are either forced out, or there is something brewing within the company to dumb the games down. When you are good at what you do (as both Ian and Phil are), new and exciting opportunities present themselves regularly. The bottom line is that within every career there comes a point where you take a good hard look at what you've been doing for years and have to make some decisions about the future.
Start understanding that at the end of the day, even making sports games is a business and people like Phil and Ian are businessmen. They have to make the best career decisions for their family and personal/professional growth. We may not understand why anyone would ever leave the chocolate factory known EA Tiburon, but after working there for 10+ years, from a career perspective I'm sure Phil and Ian do.
In no way am I trying to speak for Phil or Ian, it's just getting so old seeing these knee jerk reactions and generalizations as to why people left the company and the future of Tiburon's franchises.
Let's try and keep this thread focused on saying farewell to a friend of OS instead of turning it into ridiculous speculation and doomsday theories on Madden 13 and beyond.
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Matt Diesel @ 06/17/11 01:16 PM
We should be more concerned about who is replacing Phil, not Phil leaving. Whats done is done. IMHO I believe Madden is finally turning a corner. But, I am more interested to see the vision of his replacement as that will have the greatest impact on Madden now.
Godspeed gentlemen.
Godspeed gentlemen.
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spit_bubble @ 06/17/11 01:20 PM
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Besides, I see no real absurd "doomsday theories". What I do see is an big name title in a massive industry going through multiple personnel changes at a very peculiar time. Could be for the better, could be for the worse. Take into account EA's history, along with the hefty price tag of the NFL license, and these departures stand out as something worth noting beyond just a fond farewell.
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This happens all the time across corporate America, it's just not front page news on a forum message board.
There are other exclusive contracts across the country where people leave their jobs everyday.
It's "us" that make it into more of a significant story than it needs to be.
The sun still rises in the east and sets in the west in the beginning and end of the day.
Time will tell how all this washes out.
That is what Cam Weber was hired for, to lead Madden to NG and beyond.
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Computalover @ 06/17/11 01:37 PM
I can understand if he left.. EA reminds me of a time when i tried to req a couple of file servers.. had a perfect config.. submitted the req.. when the servers arrived found out that management removed the RAID system for 1 80GB HD.. the 32 GB memory for 1GB and changed the windows server SW for desktop.. without consulting me.. which would not run on the box anyway.. the reason.. they thought it was too much for a desktop computer.. its a SERVER you butwaad!! why not ask first!! but thats what happens when management intervenes on everything.. lol
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I understand that you have a more personal stake in his comment than just about everyone else on here, as you actually know Phil, but why stoop to Shiz' level?
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spit_bubble @ 06/17/11 01:50 PM
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Actually it is front page news when stuff like this happens...
Forgive me if I seem abrupt and back out of this interaction, but it's just really hard to carry on when you simply make stuff up like that.
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That isn't making stuff up, either, but suit yourself.
Maybe it will appear in the USA paper or WSJ?
To clarify, yes, it's front page news across gaming sites, as it should be, but outside of sports gaming sites, I don't think it would be front page news elsewhere.
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SoxFan01605 @ 06/17/11 02:18 PM
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I agree this most likely won't make front page news most anywhere because it's video games but, relative to the industry, EA is a corporate giant and Ian and Phil were key guys for one of their biggest products. If a similar exodus occurred with execs from a major corporation for something in the auto industry, for example, it would make news. I think that's what's wrong with your comparison when you say it "happens all the time."
I'm not saying it means anything (in fact, I tend to agree that it's probably got less to do with anything specific to Madden and more to do with a personal choice or dissatisfaction with EA's corporate culture), but I don't think your rationale here is very sound.
Plus (and I know you alluded to this...so I'm not saying you aren't aware or anthing), relative to the industry at hand and the medium for which most news is received (gaming sites and message boards) something like this happening is almost always "front page" news and ALWAYS causes high speculation.
Again, not saying it means anything at all (I take Ian at his word, for one thing), but I also don't think it's unreasonable or uncommon for the close proximity of Ian and Phil's exits to cause speculation.
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I guess where I was going with it is if it's two GM Execectives leaving at the same time, everyone knows, but if Phil and Ian are leaving, it's narrowed down to a narrower niche market.
Also, it matters where you put Ian and Phil title wise in the corporate world. To me, they weren't CEO's or COO or CFO's, executive type people. To me, they were managers and directors that more visible to the community vs their counterparts in the corporate world, in my opinion. Also, to build a bit more on my assumption, managers and directors leave every day at a company and it's not newsworthy.("the happens all the time" scenario) I just feel Ian and Phil were magnified because of their visibility within the community. Jeremy Strausser left and wasn't hardly newsworthy. Why, because he stayed out of the lime light.
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