Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings

Do they ban people on this forum for stupidity?

Aren't insults against the rules as well and subject to banning?

I understand that you have a more personal stake in his comment than just about everyone else on here, as you actually know Phil, but why stoop to Shiz' level?

[spit_bubble]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

...This happens all the time across corporate America, it's just not front page news on a forum message board...

Actually it is front page news when stuff like this happens...

Forgive me if I seem abrupt and back out of this interaction, but it's just really hard to carry on when you simply make stuff up like that.

[Phobia]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

Aren't insults against the rules as well and subject to banning? I understand that you have a more personal stake in his comment than just about everyone else on here, as you actually know Phil, but why stoop to Shiz' level?

Why is this part of the topic??? SMH

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by spit_bubble

Actually it is front page news when stuff like this happens... Forgive me if I seem abrupt and back out of this interaction, but it's just really hard to carry on when you simply make stuff up like that.

Again, with all due respect, a few people leaving a company several weeks apart from each other doesn't get front page news all the time.

That isn't making stuff up, either, but suit yourself.

Maybe it will appear in the USA paper or WSJ?

To clarify, yes, it's front page news across gaming sites, as it should be, but outside of sports gaming sites, I don't think it would be front page news elsewhere.

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Again, with all due respect, a few people leaving a company several weeks apart from each other doesn't get front page news all the time. That isn't making stuff up, either, but suit yourself. Maybe it will appear in the USA paper or WSJ? To clarify, yes, it's front page news across gaming sites, as it should be, but outside of sports gaming sites, I don't think it would be front page news elsewhere.

I think though, when you look at your comparison to other corporate type jobs (other companies seeing people leaving) it would though.

I agree this most likely won't make front page news most anywhere because it's video games but, relative to the industry, EA is a corporate giant and Ian and Phil were key guys for one of their biggest products. If a similar exodus occurred with execs from a major corporation for something in the auto industry, for example, it would make news. I think that's what's wrong with your comparison when you say it "happens all the time."

I'm not saying it means anything (in fact, I tend to agree that it's probably got less to do with anything specific to Madden and more to do with a personal choice or dissatisfaction with EA's corporate culture), but I don't think your rationale here is very sound.

Plus (and I know you alluded to this...so I'm not saying you aren't aware or anthing), relative to the industry at hand and the medium for which most news is received (gaming sites and message boards) something like this happening is almost always "front page" news and ALWAYS causes high speculation.

Again, not saying it means anything at all (I take Ian at his word, for one thing), but I also don't think it's unreasonable or uncommon for the close proximity of Ian and Phil's exits to cause speculation.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

I agree this most likely won't make front page news most anywhere because it's video games but, relative to the industry, EA is a corporate giant and Ian and Phil were key guys for one of their biggest products. I'm not saying it means anything (in fact, I tend to agree that it's probably got less to do with anything specific to Madden and more to do with a personal choice or dissatisfaction with EA's corporate culture), but I don't think your rationale here is very sound. Plus (and I know you alluded to this...so I'm not saying you aren't aware or anthing), relative to the industry at hand and the medium for which most news is received (gaming sites and message boards) something like this happening is almost always "front page" news and ALWAYS causes high speculation. Again, not saying it means anything at all (I take Ian at his word, for one thing), but I also don't think it's unreasonable or uncommon for the close proximity of Ian and Phil's exits to cause speculation.

I guess where I was going with it is if it's two GM Execectives leaving at the same time, everyone knows, but if Phil and Ian are leaving, it's narrowed down to a narrower niche market.

Also, it matters where you put Ian and Phil title wise in the corporate world. To me, they weren't CEO's or COO or CFO's, executive type people. To me, they were managers and directors that more visible to the community vs their counterparts in the corporate world, in my opinion. Also, to build a bit more on my assumption, managers and directors leave every day at a company and it's not newsworthy.("the happens all the time" scenario) I just feel Ian and Phil were magnified because of their visibility within the community. Jeremy Strausser left and wasn't hardly newsworthy. Why, because he stayed out of the lime light.

[LiquorLogic]

Quote: Originally Posted by canes21

Woah.... well, what's going on at EA?

The same thing that happens when you get a new coach: you also get a new coaching staff.

This is a good thing in my opinion. M12 shows promise, but I felt this way in anticipation for M10. This franchise is years behind where it should be.

[K_GUN]

Quote: Originally Posted by adfletch71

hey K_GUN I have too disagree with u about the presentation aspect of the game, they could have outshined NFL2k5 this gen, but didn't for some reason. Gameplay wise is debatable. They was on the right track with the Extra Point and could have really built off of that. Madden presentation has been bland and boring for 6 years and still lacking. Take out the intros and camera angles, its still Maddens ole presentation. Its a lot more than intros and camera angles, it does help though. Look at NBA2K11 and MLB2K11 presentation package and commentary..outstanding!!! Madden needs to take notes on that, then they can say they "true to the game".

u can disagree all u want

fact is....I skipped madden until M10...the previous titles weren;t worth my money.

NFL wouldn't let EA....oops...*strongly encouraged EA* to not use ESPN..and besides....if EA DID use the ESPN license I'm pretty sure guys like u would be the first to post..."yada yada...i saw that 7 years ago..yada yada..." (c'mon, admit it, you know would...LOL)

and.....have to disagree with u just dismissing camera angles so quickly....those things are huge.....many of those angles are from the same angles that CBS uses..and more (NFL FILMS)...they alone add so much more to presentation.

i'm not here to get into a phssing match with u on 2k.....i was a fanboy myself--go look up my posts from 2004!...heck I still play APF when i need my gameplay fix.

alos..Adembroski said that Ian & Co. spent a lot of time building tools that would allow for huge leaps & bounds in their yearly dev cycle....i think you'll see that for M12 & beyond.

I've made peace with NFL gaming....maybe it would do u some good to as well

your choice