12:19 AM - June 17, 2011 by illwill10
According to Pastapadre and Kotaku, Phil Frazier (Executive Producer for Madden NFL) is the latest to leave EA Sports Tiburon.
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Madden 12 News Post
12:19 AM - June 17, 2011 by illwill10According to Pastapadre and Kotaku, Phil Frazier (Executive Producer for Madden NFL) is the latest to leave EA Sports Tiburon.
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Why can't EA use Frostbite2 engine on Madden 13? Frostbite2 makes animation transitions so seamless and lifelike, people moving about realistically. Can anyone with understanding explain.
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Also, they both use the same animating tool. Battlefield 3 animates the characters with EA's ANT tool and so does Madden, NCAA, Fifa, etc.
Thanks. So basically, a new engine designed specifically for american football needs to be built? For instance, The ANT animation tool is used for all different types of sporting and non-sporting games. So it's the engine differences between BF3, Fifa, NHL, Madden, that is responsible for the different quality from each? What engines do NHL, FIFA use? Do NCAA and Madden share the same engine? What engines did NFL 2K5 and APF 2K8 use, what does NBA 2K11 use, are those engines propriety owned by 2K sports or not?
Also, why couldn't frostbite2 be used to build a football game? Eg, Natural Motions Euphoria engine is used for all sorts of different games -- red dead, star wars unleashed, backbreaker, icebreaker, etc. Aren't there are other renowned engines out there, like Unreal, which many different studios/games use? So, why would frostbite2 not work for sport?
Just trying to understand, thanks.
Also, why couldn't frostbite2 be used to build a football game? Eg, Natural Motions Euphoria engine is used for all sorts of different games -- red dead, star wars unleashed, backbreaker, icebreaker, etc. Aren't there are other renowned engines out there, like Unreal, which many different studios/games use? So, why would frostbite2 not work for sport?
Just trying to understand, thanks.
Eg: Unreal Engine
(taken from: Top 10 Game Engines )
(taken from: Top 10 Game Engines )
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I'm not the best guy to be talking this over with, but the Frostbite 2 engine was built solely for FPS games. It was never intended to be used for a football game.
What Madden and NCAA run off is a number of "engines". I don't know exactly what, but the ANT tool is what they use to craft their animations. This is pretty much all I am sure of, but may possibly be wrong. If Mr. Cummings was still on, then he'd be the best person to explain this probably.
What Madden and NCAA run off is a number of "engines". I don't know exactly what, but the ANT tool is what they use to craft their animations. This is pretty much all I am sure of, but may possibly be wrong. If Mr. Cummings was still on, then he'd be the best person to explain this probably.
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hoop xyience @ 06/17/11 03:59 AM
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spit_bubble @ 06/17/11 04:04 AM
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Yes, Mr. Cummings, I see you have given your reason for leaving in another post... And I suppose it's rather pointless to speculate...
But still I just can't see this as a good thing. Madden finally gets on course, then these guys all jump ship???
I wonder just how much control they really had... And I wonder where Madden is headed in the future. Given EA the publisher's track record, it does not bode well.
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SteelerSpartan @ 06/17/11 04:14 AM
ehh, as far as Madden goes Im kind of indifferent about this, because I just don't have all the facts about who was really making the decisions with the money/priorities.....that I disagreed with
Ian and Phil I guess did a commendable job at bringing the game back to a decent game of "Madden", that game we lost when we went to NG.........An Nfl Nut like me will enjoy their work(Especially this year providing theres no major bugs)
but its still not close enough to where I envisioned Next Gen NFL Football to be at in the year 2011 in terms of realism....and comes up a bit short when stacked against the other big sports games like NHL,Forza/GT,The Show,NBA 2k, and Fifa.....
Now that Madden finally has its feet under it again somewhat, its time for someone to truly innovate/evolve/enhance the realism in the series for the next decade and beyond
Ian and Phil I guess did a commendable job at bringing the game back to a decent game of "Madden", that game we lost when we went to NG.........An Nfl Nut like me will enjoy their work(Especially this year providing theres no major bugs)
but its still not close enough to where I envisioned Next Gen NFL Football to be at in the year 2011 in terms of realism....and comes up a bit short when stacked against the other big sports games like NHL,Forza/GT,The Show,NBA 2k, and Fifa.....
Now that Madden finally has its feet under it again somewhat, its time for someone to truly innovate/evolve/enhance the realism in the series for the next decade and beyond
Saw a TSS video on this announcement of Mr Frazier leaving.
This comment from someone is interesting...
This comment from someone is interesting...
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I can't help but feel that there is something bigger going on in the background at EA that is causing so many to jump ship. Maybe in 12 months time things will be clearer & the reason for these departures will become more evident.
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mirrored32 @ 06/17/11 05:17 AM
I don't really like to speculate, but it does 'shake' me a bit being that I have really enjoyed where madden 10 and beyond has been going.
all in all as a fan of Madden, I just hope that the direction madden 12 is going is where we go in the future.
resist major bugs or fix them, i am good.
as for Phil and Ian I wish them well and hope they don't stray to far away from the passion they held for the game in their years on the front lines of developing Madden.
i like a sim game and id on't like virtual trainers. I get the game for franchise mode and creating CAPS for it. so i hope that stays true along with the gameplay.
It just really does make me wonder when two people that were 'faces' of madden 'decide to move on' do. . . just not ready for the change i think. again too early to say my worry might be just in the names leaving.
as long as madden doesn't suffer the direction it is going as of Madden 12 I am ok.
all in all as a fan of Madden, I just hope that the direction madden 12 is going is where we go in the future.
resist major bugs or fix them, i am good.
as for Phil and Ian I wish them well and hope they don't stray to far away from the passion they held for the game in their years on the front lines of developing Madden.
i like a sim game and id on't like virtual trainers. I get the game for franchise mode and creating CAPS for it. so i hope that stays true along with the gameplay.
It just really does make me wonder when two people that were 'faces' of madden 'decide to move on' do. . . just not ready for the change i think. again too early to say my worry might be just in the names leaving.
as long as madden doesn't suffer the direction it is going as of Madden 12 I am ok.
No offense intended to Phil here at all, but this isn't exactly like Gabe Newell leaving Valve or John Carmack leaving id. EA is clearly a pretty cookie cutter operation and while it's obviously important to get talented people to run the ship, which Phil clearly was, ultimately I don't think franchises like Madden are prone to massive swings in direction based on any single person staying or leaving. EA wouldn't roll like that. Companies like these try very hard to make sure noone is irreplaceable.
Now, Phil may be replaced by a corporate suckup who's entire interest lays with maximizing profits rather than expanding the game's core quality while maintaining enough of a profit margin to keep management off his back, which might have a negative effect on the series from our perspective, but ultimately the future direction of the series will in large part be dictated by M12's relative success. It makes sense to build on what works, and if M12 works, I don't think much will change focus wise. If it doesn't work as well as hoped, well chances are pressure would have been applied to people like Phil anyway and we'd see the same negative focus changes, Phil present or not.
Now, Phil may be replaced by a corporate suckup who's entire interest lays with maximizing profits rather than expanding the game's core quality while maintaining enough of a profit margin to keep management off his back, which might have a negative effect on the series from our perspective, but ultimately the future direction of the series will in large part be dictated by M12's relative success. It makes sense to build on what works, and if M12 works, I don't think much will change focus wise. If it doesn't work as well as hoped, well chances are pressure would have been applied to people like Phil anyway and we'd see the same negative focus changes, Phil present or not.
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SeventhWard @ 06/17/11 05:47 AM
I'm stunned. Phil Frazier isn't making Madden anymore? This is more shocking to me than Ian's departure. He's been there for YEARS. Wow!
Aside from Madden, best wishes to Phil Frazier. Keep making games we love wherever you go.
-SeventhWard
Aside from Madden, best wishes to Phil Frazier. Keep making games we love wherever you go.
-SeventhWard
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Crimsontide27 @ 06/17/11 05:49 AM
Like any job, there comes a point in time where you feel that you have either maximized your potential, or realize that there are better opportunities out there for you. I wont go into some of the reasons that people are leaving, but rest assured that they are doing something that has been a topic for a few years now.
Its just that now is the time that opportunity is knocking. Dont think for one minute that anyone that has left....or that is leaving ( 2 more very likely within the next 2 months ) , is not doing it on their own free will.
You will hear these names again...count on it
Its just that now is the time that opportunity is knocking. Dont think for one minute that anyone that has left....or that is leaving ( 2 more very likely within the next 2 months ) , is not doing it on their own free will.
You will hear these names again...count on it
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frankrizzo380 @ 06/17/11 07:32 AM
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Always remember one thing, for every ***** u encounter, there's about 100+ gamers out there who appreciate all of u guys hard work so, i say congrats to the both of u and goodluck on all future endevors, peace out
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MrSkagTrendy @ 06/17/11 07:55 AM
End of an era, bro. No Phil and Ian next year is gonna be totally weird. Wish them both the best..and let's hope Madden 13 won't be crap, after what looks to be an incredible Madden 12.
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carnalnirvana @ 06/17/11 08:35 AM
its about time these guys move on, they have other talents and probably wanted to work on other projects..... unless you are getting a pension most workers like to move around after about 7 years IMO. i see it all the time in corporate america dont see why it cant be true for tech guys as well...
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