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Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

06:45 AM - March 8, 2011 by Steve_OS

The Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters demo is available now for the Xbox 360.

UPDATE: The PS3 demo will not arrive until tomorrow at 6:00 PM EST.

UPDATE #2: Contrary to what the facebook page states, the demo is now available on the PS3. Enjoy.

Please post your impressions here.

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	"The long awaited Augusta National Golf Club is now available in the Tiger Woods PGA TOUR� 12: The Masters demo on Xbox� 360 and PlayStation� 3! Approach the tee box of the famous closing hole during the tournament�s final round in your quest to become the Masters champion and don the Green Jacket. In the �Play Now� setting, live that **** moment and have the first opportunity to play Augusta National�s par-4 18th. See the distinct Masters experience and hear the iconic voice of long-time Masters announcer, Jim Nantz, throughout the demo. Nantz sets the stage as Tiger Woods charges up the leaderboard in chase of his fifth Green Jacket. Take control of Tiger Woods on the final hole and attempt to be crowned Masters champion, while the all-new commentary team of Nantz, and the always entertaining David Feherty, call the action. In �Road to the Masters� mode, play holes 1-5 at TPC San Antonio Oaks Course - an all-new course to the Tiger Woods PGA TOUR franchise. Complete the five holes in the demo and jumpstart your career in the full retail version* by bypassing the EA SPORTS� Amateur Tour and proceeding straight to the Nationwide Tour. The PlayStation 3 version of the demo will support the PlayStation Move controller to fully replicate an authentic golf swing. Looking for an even more immersive golf interaction? The demo can also be played in True View mode � a first-person vantage point that is new to the PlayStation 3 with the Move controller. Additional information about the Masters Tournament, the all-new career mode, Caddie/Course Mastery, new golfers and courses, and a host of other new features are detailed in the demo. Share the demo with friends to earn additional experience points (XP)."

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# 181 The Bimmer @ 03/26/11 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawker


	I just can't see it that way. You are trying to tell me that all of the info the caddy uses to provide a shot (hole elevation, carrying distance, wind, and fairway and green speed) are just arcade elements if they are provided to us to make our own adjustments? I can't buy in that last year's TrueAim was arcade. And Divot will have to agree with me, since he spent so much time explaining just that last year. And yes, TW 12's ability to show you exactly where you ball will land, moving as you make adjustments, is far more arcadey than last year. I can not only create a custom shot, but I can view exactly where it will go while I customize. That ruins the expeience, a ton. In TW 11, I could view the the ara I wanted to hit, but I had to back to golfer view and make adjustments, and hope they were what I needed. This is probably the most critical thing that was lost. And worse, when we set up tourneys or use Play the Pros, there doesn't seem to be a way to keep everyone from using all of this extra information when they play. We can make it harder on ourselves, but we can't avoid some of the caddy suggestions, even if it is turned off. But there is no reason to believe that our opponents aren't going to make use of the full caddy info when push comes to shove.

I understand what you mean about the caddies suggestion even when disabled, but as I have said before this will be irrelevant for me and you and most guys who have played the game alot. We KNOW what club we will use by the yardage to the pin. I know on the tee if the hole is 448yds, it will be driver + 8 iron before I swing the club 95% of the time. If anything it will help players process thier clubs quicker. I mean if the end result is we use what the caddie suggested whats lost , the fact that we didnt figure it out on our own?

I gotta tell you I am oblivious to the caddie suggestion and use the custom club automatically playing the demo on tournament mode.

Lets hope we all enjoy the game.

# 182 Triggerfish @ 03/26/11 11:08 PM

Divot, if you do not mind me asking...if you have the sound of the "idiot" off and you disable him before each round ( i will assume u cannot disable him once in the settings and it will be permanent for every time you play) i know his suggestions pop up anyway..do you find yourself looking at what he says? Now granted..i do not want him helping or swaying me in ANY way..i hope i'm wording this correctly.:-) thanks in advance!

# 183 DivotMaker @ 03/26/11 11:19 PM

I completely ignore the caddy and his recommended shots.

# 184 DivotMaker @ 03/27/11 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawker


	I found it impossible not to be influenced. How do you judge elevation? How do you not notice the camera challenging the landing spot based on your selections? How easy will it be to remember carrying distances if you play with different golfers that have different levels of skill? I might want one based on TW 11 XP, but I will spend more time with a fresh player.

Sorry to hear that.

You do not need to judge elevation when you zoom in for your shot.

As to your other two questions, I do not know what you are asking. I only use one CAG, so I do not worry about carrying distances and different skill levels. Sorry you don't like TW12. See ya next year....

# 185 Rules @ 03/27/11 10:18 AM

Like I said before, the Move should negate what the caddie is saying as the challenge alone is nailing the swing in the first place. Don't get me wrong as I would like the higher difficulty of doing everything on my own. However, one has to believe that EA got the message and will plan accordingly for next year. If you do not have the Move then it is probably best to either go back to TW11 or skip this years game cause if you are already unhappy before getting the game.........then well you get my point.

I have to ask, how many of you are going to continually beat this whole caddie issue into the ground? What's done is done so if you are getting the game then come up with a workaround like many of us do when presented with these type of dilemmas�. Before anyone chimes in that we shouldn't have to........let me say this......obviously you must not have played any EA games

If you are not getting the game then go over to EA's forum to let them know as I have never seen any of their devs here so your cries will go unheard. Not trying to be mean but for the love of golf.....GET OVER IT.

# 186 Rules @ 03/27/11 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawker


	I can appreciate that you can enjoy the challenge of TW 12. The problem is, you have to jump through hoops to do so, and even then, you are still not given all the information the caddy is using to suggest shots for you. At this point, it is clear that TW 11 is just a better game for those of us that grew to really appreciate TrueAim. The question is, for how long will EA support TW 11 with online tourneys and Play With the Pros?

Knowing EA they will probably shut it down soon to force everyone to buy their next one. From past experience they seem to shut down the previous servers a few months later. That or the constant up and down due to so called maintenance is another ploy to frustrate everyone to not bother.

# 187 DivotMaker @ 03/27/11 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rules


	Knowing EA they will probably shut it down soon to force everyone to buy their next one.

No, not likely. TW10 online play is still running, so TW11 will be up through TW13....

# 188 Rules @ 03/27/11 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DivotMaker


	No, not likely. TW10 online play is still running, so TW11 will be up through TW13....

Wow, didn't know that. Was basing it off of their other sports games.

# 189 Rules @ 03/27/11 10:37 AM

Divot~ can you confirm which golfers are in the game? That is the only accurate piece of information that I have not been able to find.

I seen a list about a month ago but yet when I went and watched one of EA's videos there were others not listed. Just wondering if Tom Watson and a few others are in or not?

# 190 ShivasIrons @ 03/27/11 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DivotMaker


	Sorry to hear that. You do not need to judge elevation when you zoom in for your shot. As to your other two questions, I do not know what you are asking. I only use one CAG, so I do not worry about carrying distances and different skill levels. Sorry you don't like TW12. See ya next year....

You don't need to judge elevation when you zoom in for your shot? I have not seen that in the demo, but it's hard to tell as there is not a huge amount of elevation on the demo holes. I would be surprised if that is an accurate statement.

And, that last statement is a heck of a thing to post to someone, who has only played the demo and is seeking more info. "Sorry you don't like TW12. See ya next year."

# 191 rangerrick012 @ 03/27/11 10:47 AM

Well I went back and played the TW 11 demo (since I didn't buy TW 11). And to me true aim on TW 11 is a bit easier. Noted I did play w/ the putt meter on in the demo, but it still seemed easier than TW 12 demo true aim. Having the elevations given to you instead of having to judge it yourself does seem easier IMO. Like I've said in previous posts, having the caddy there is an annoyance, but it's still within you as a player to hit the shots. I guess my own 'house rule' so to speak has been that I haven't been using shot practice, except for on putts. Every other shot I just leave it to myself to judge the percentage on the first swing. And you can still pretty much aim wherever you want in TW 11, the only difference is the zoom.

# 192 Rules @ 03/27/11 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rangerrick012


	Well I went back and played the TW 11 demo (since I didn't buy TW 11). And to me true aim on TW 11 is a bit easier. Noted I did play w/ the putt meter on in the demo, but it still seemed easier than TW 12 demo true aim. Having the elevations given to you instead of having to judge it yourself does seem easier IMO. Like I've said in previous posts, having the caddy there is an annoyance, but it's still within you as a player to hit the shots. I guess my own 'house rule' so to speak has been that I haven't been using shot practice, except for on putts. Every other shot I just leave it to myself to judge the percentage on the first swing.

I'm going to do the same today. I didn't get TW11 so maybe I am missing something here. Either way, EA is not going to patch it so we WILL have to deal with it.

# 193 ShivasIrons @ 03/27/11 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rangerrick012


	Well I went back and played the TW 11 demo (since I didn't buy TW 11). And to me true aim on TW 11 is a bit easier. Noted I did play w/ the putt meter on in the demo, but it still seemed easier than TW 12 demo true aim. Having the elevations given to you instead of having to judge it yourself does seem easier IMO. Like I've said in previous posts, having the caddy there is an annoyance, but it's still within you as a player to hit the shots. I guess my own 'house rule' so to speak has been that I haven't been using shot practice, except for on putts. Every other shot I just leave it to myself to judge the percentage on the first swing. And you can still pretty much aim wherever you want in TW 11, the only difference is the zoom.

Like I posted above, there is no "true aim" in TW12 demo or in TW12 from what have I read and heard. It's all zoomed aiming and zoomed adjustment of shots (draw, fade, loft). Aiming is done from a zoomed perspective. There are some other new features which will perhaps make the game play harder from a scoring perspective (ex vertical random landing), and some of those are good additions.

But, what's more realistic -- aiming truly from the perspective of the golfer on the tee as in TW11 True Aim, or -- zoomed aiming and zoomed application of draw, fade, loft, etc?

I'm still getting TW12. There are a lot of good additions over 11. No putt meter online. Vertical random landing. Landing circles gone online. Option to turn green grid off in online games (will have to see if that's playable - it wasn't last year in the game, imo). I played 11 the last few months online with others and using the honor system we did not use focus, had no putt meter and had reduced club distances thru tuning. And, TW 12 will be an improvement over that. The disappointment to me was going back to the more unrealistic zoomed aiming/adjustment of shots, esp when many thought true aim would be put online in TW12. But, like I said, there is nothing "true" or realistic about the zoomed aiming in TW 12 Tournament mode. Is it a reason not to get the game? Not for me. But, perhaps for some. It is a reason to be disappointed in one aspect though.

# 194 ShivasIrons @ 03/27/11 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti


	The 18th hole at Augusta has an elevated green, well at least is seems to when I play it. If i play an iron that is pin high I won't even hit the green so I have to hit at least a club or two lower and my aimng zone shows the back of the green for that lower club selection, even the caddie shot reflects that. I'm not sure why Divotmaker said that because elevation is a factor unless it's changed in the full game making it even more arcadish at which point I will cancel my pre-order with 100% certainty rather than debating the notion of doing it at the present time.

From my playing of that hole, I have to agree with you. I remember adjusting my zoomed target to account for elevation. But, like I said, it will be easier to know for sure after getting to play the full game on all the courses, ESP those with more severe elevation changes.

# 195 rangerrick012 @ 03/27/11 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ShivasIrons


	Like I posted above, there is no "true aim" in TW12 demo or in TW12 from what have I read and heard. It's all zoomed aiming and zoomed adjustment of shots (draw, fade, loft). Aiming is done from a zoomed perspective. There are some other new features which will perhaps make the game play harder from a scoring perspective (ex vertical random landing), and some of those are good additions. But, what's more realistic -- aiming truly from the perspective of the golfer on the tee as in TW11 True Aim, or -- zoomed aiming and zoomed application of draw, fade, loft, etc? I'm still getting TW12. There are a lot of good additions over 11. No putt meter online. Vertical random landing. Landing circles gone online. Option to turn green grid off in online games (will have to see if that's playable - it wasn't last year in the game, imo). I played 11 the last few months online with others and using the honor system we did not use focus, had no putt meter and had reduced club distances thru tuning. And, TW 12 will be an improvement over that. The disappointment to me was going back to the more unrealistic zoomed aiming/adjustment of shots, esp when many thought true aim would be put online in TW12. But, like I said, there is nothing "true" or realistic about the zoomed aiming in TW 12 Tournament mode. Is it a reason not to get the game? Not for me. But, perhaps for some. It is a reason to be disappointed in one aspect though.

To me it's no different. TW11 you still can zoom, adjust, zoom again, adjust, to your heart's content. It's not really that much of a difference, at least not as much as you're making it seem. The only way to make it really 'true aim' would be to take the option for zoom away entirely. But like I said, TW11 you can still zoom as much as you want. And you also are given the elevations instead of judging them yourself, which to me makes things a bit easier.

# 196 Rules @ 03/27/11 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti


	Actually I've opened a thread on the EA forum with a simple request as to whether we will get a patch to at least disable the caddie box. The thread is just requesting an answer as whether we are or not. If it's yes then great, if it's no then fine, but at least give us an answer one way or the other so alot of us can know before Tuesday. If they were going to issue a patch for anything they would have to at least start working on it now because it takes several weeks for it to get certified by Sony and Microsoft and they can add stuff as the game comes out and bugs are discovered. Last year the patch came out about a month after the game so it's logical to assume thay have made a decision one way or the other regarding the caddie box because they know the negative feedback from thier forums and don't need the full game to gauge it any further as the full game is exactly like the demo for the caddie feature. Look at Nascar 2011, the game comes out the same day and they have already announced that a patch will be issued in the future with the 2011 scoring system. That's what important for alot of sim gamers and now that they know that, they will buy the game. And even if they announced that they wouldn't patch in the 2011 points system, they showed enough respect to the community to give us an answer yes or no, before the game came out. I made the EA thread 2 days ago and have yet to get a response by any devs on there. I guess that shows you right there how much respect these guys have for the community. I'll be shocked if I do get a response other than the standard "we are looking into it" crap.

I've been reading the posts over there and the Devs haven't really responded to anything. I really don't like that as people need answers to make a sound decision. In my opinion their silence is deafening. Speaks volumes when you don't inform the public concerning one way or another. I personally take it as they don't care but that is just me.

# 197 ShivasIrons @ 03/27/11 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rangerrick012


	To me it's no different. TW11 you still can zoom, adjust, zoom again, adjust, to your heart's content. It's not really that much of a difference, at least not as much as you're making it seem. The only way to make it really 'true aim' would be to take the option for zoom away entirely. But like I said, TW11 you can still zoom as much as you want. And you also are given the elevations instead of judging them yourself, which to me makes things a bit easier.

Ranger rick, ... Like I posted to Divotmaker a few pages back, fire up your TW11 demo, load TP True Aim, then prepare some shots with fade, draw, loft and do your zoom out thing.

Then, fire up TW12 demo, go to Tournament mode, ... zoom out, apply some draw, fade, loft. And, report back if you see any difference.

As far as "the only way" to make it really true aim ... As was also posted earlier, true aim could have been improved upon by giving one static map when zooming out that was not dependent on aim or club selected, but which showed gps info. This would be realistic as it would be like a regular gps device or good yardage book in real life.

All of this was posted and discussed above in the thread. And, here we are posting it again. Did you read the thread and the last 5-6 pages?

# 198 ShivasIrons @ 03/27/11 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rules


	I've been reading the posts over there and the Devs haven't really responded to anything. I really don't like that as people need answers to make a sound decision. In my opinion their silence is deafening. Speaks volumes when you don't inform the public concerning one way or another. I personally take it as they don't care but that is just me.

Well, it's the weekend now. So, their silence over the weekend is expected. And, several of them did come into the forum there in the days after the demo hit, and that was a good thing to see. It'll be interesting to see if they continue to interact after the game hits this week. I'd guess that you'll see them in there.

But, from what I've seen there, they do have an uncanny ability pick and choose what they want to respond to. Usually, it something to promote the game or promote features in the game. It seems like certain topics that are related to real defects in the game they just completely ignore addressing those.

Like last year, they were sure to post to promote their DLC courses to get people to buy them. But, when there were defects such as a missing hole/pin on a hole on a course, they were just silent. They didn't fix it. There were no refunds. They just took your money and kept it without saying a word. Heck, they were probably laughing about all the suckers that they got to buy those.

# 199 DivotMaker @ 03/27/11 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ShivasIrons


	You don't need to judge elevation when you zoom in for your shot? I have not seen that in the demo, but it's hard to tell as there is not a huge amount of elevation on the demo holes. I would be surprised if that is an accurate statement. And, that last statement is a heck of a thing to post to someone, who has only played the demo and is seeking more info. "Sorry you don't like TW12. See ya next year.". But, that certainly seems to accurately reflect the EA attitude.

No, you do not need to judge elevation when zoomed because the zoom takes you to a view of the landing area and whether you change clubs when Zoomed or not zoomed, the view will show you the changes in where the landing area will be.

As far as that last statement, it is NOT EA's attitude, it is MINE. An attitude and opinion I am entitled to. The user I was responding to said he prefers TW11 and does NOT like TW12. So what is your point other than to start an unnecessary argument or yet again another unnecessary personal comment? Either stick to the discussion or don't post. We don't need this kind of garbage here.

# 200 DivotMaker @ 03/27/11 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti


	I personally take it as they not going to patch out the caddie box and don't want to say so for fear of the backlash on the board and losing some sales. They will stay forever silent or vague about it to give you that small amount of false hope and figure you will take the plunge anyways because of Augusta which will be true for most gamers. If they were going to patch it then they would have said so quickly on that thread to make everyone happy and get out Tuesday and spend that money.

No. They are not and never have announced a patch before or right at launch for ANY version of TW. They prefer to wait for user feedback on the final version of the game before they determine BASED on FEEDBACK if and what they can/will patch. No need for a kneejerk reaction because contrary to what you and I think about the Caddy, there are quite a few users who do like the feature and if they don't, they are finding ways around it until or if a decision is made to patch the feature out of Tournament mode or if it actually CAN be patched out. At the very least, if they could patch out his suggestions and/or disable him altogether in Tournament mode, the return TrueAim to what it was in TW11, then I think you would have the most challenging and realistic scenario.

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