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Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

06:45 AM - March 8, 2011 by Steve_OS

The Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters demo is available now for the Xbox 360.

UPDATE: The PS3 demo will not arrive until tomorrow at 6:00 PM EST.

UPDATE #2: Contrary to what the facebook page states, the demo is now available on the PS3. Enjoy.

Please post your impressions here.

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	"The long awaited Augusta National Golf Club is now available in the Tiger Woods PGA TOUR� 12: The Masters demo on Xbox� 360 and PlayStation� 3! Approach the tee box of the famous closing hole during the tournament�s final round in your quest to become the Masters champion and don the Green Jacket. In the �Play Now� setting, live that **** moment and have the first opportunity to play Augusta National�s par-4 18th. See the distinct Masters experience and hear the iconic voice of long-time Masters announcer, Jim Nantz, throughout the demo. Nantz sets the stage as Tiger Woods charges up the leaderboard in chase of his fifth Green Jacket. Take control of Tiger Woods on the final hole and attempt to be crowned Masters champion, while the all-new commentary team of Nantz, and the always entertaining David Feherty, call the action. In �Road to the Masters� mode, play holes 1-5 at TPC San Antonio Oaks Course - an all-new course to the Tiger Woods PGA TOUR franchise. Complete the five holes in the demo and jumpstart your career in the full retail version* by bypassing the EA SPORTS� Amateur Tour and proceeding straight to the Nationwide Tour. The PlayStation 3 version of the demo will support the PlayStation Move controller to fully replicate an authentic golf swing. Looking for an even more immersive golf interaction? The demo can also be played in True View mode � a first-person vantage point that is new to the PlayStation 3 with the Move controller. Additional information about the Masters Tournament, the all-new career mode, Caddie/Course Mastery, new golfers and courses, and a host of other new features are detailed in the demo. Share the demo with friends to earn additional experience points (XP)."

Source - Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Blog

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# 41 acreyman @ 03/09/11 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DivotMaker


	The Caddy will be able to be turned off in the full version. Again, why you sit here and bitch and moan about the game when you don't even have EA's attention here? You are wasting your time posting your comments here (no offense Steve) if you truly want to get the Devs attention. Many others posting on the EA TW forums are expressing the same criticisms and they at least have the Devs attention. You don't here.

EA Devs have contributed to this webiste quite a bit over the years........and, correct me if I am wrong, they even invited regular posters to the Madden Studios a few years back for feedback pre-launch. They are reading... and probably wont post any answers until the big wigs and marketing gurus have ok'd the responses.

# 42 DivotMaker @ 03/09/11 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by acreyman


	EA Devs have contributed to this webiste quite a bit over the years........and, correct me if I am wrong, they even invited regular posters to the Madden Studios a few years back for feedback pre-launch. They are reading... and probably wont post any answers until the big wigs and marketing gurus have ok'd the responses.

Not in the Golf forums they haven't....

# 43 countryboy @ 03/09/11 09:02 PM

I'm an enjoying the demo very much so. Cannot wait to play the full game.

While its not in the demo(except describing it) I like the way the career mode is done.

# 44 yesrushdt @ 03/09/11 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DivotMaker


	The Caddy will be able to be turned off in the full version.

Do you mean completely turning the caddy off so you can't see him at all during a round? I sure hope that option is included. It's a pain having to press B all the time to get him off the screen.

Will turning the caddy off in options also get rid of the shot recommendations that automatically set your swing to a certain percentage when selected? I would much rather have complete control over how long my backswing is. Sure you can select the custom 100% and do it yourself, but the selections clearly show the percentages. I'd rather figure that out myself versus the game spoon feeding it to me.

I'll post this in the EA forum, but figured I'd post it here too considering how buggy that site is. Civil posts seem to disappear over there for no reason.

# 45 Hurricain @ 03/09/11 09:36 PM

Played the demo, was entertaining. The caddy is easy mode though. I mean all the game comes down to is swing percentage, what fun is that? I'm going to buy the game though, dlc in career and saves in round are GREAT additions.

I am very interested to see how the caddy things plays out in the final version.

# 46 N51_rob @ 03/09/11 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurricain


	Played the demo, was entertaining. The caddy is easy mode though. I mean all the game comes down to is swing percentage, what fun is that? Just a very strange feature and if I'm not able to turn off (before I get into a game) this sadly won't be a purchase for me.

Its the 2010/2011 EA montra; simpler, quicker, deeper. Caddy does the work you swing the stick. I liked the Caddy off the tee and in the fairway giving club option. I don't like him on the green giving the exact spot to putt too.

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# 47 Araxen @ 03/09/11 10:03 PM

This game was going to be a day 1 purchase for me since Augusta is finally in the game but they went and mucked the game all up. They took out the view I used to line up the shots. It's very frustrating to line up shots now because you can't get that view anymore. I'm not buying the game at all now. So disappointed.

# 48 kerosene31 @ 03/09/11 10:34 PM

I was reading some comments and thought this couldn't be as bad as people are making it... but I downloaded it and it is.

The caddy is terrible. You can't even adjust your aim. I don't mean to offend anyone, but who would want this? I want to play the game. Having a caddy give advice would be great, but having them limit my decisions? No thanks.

This isn't a golf game, it is a "can you move the left stick as you're told" game.

Someone let me know with 100% certainty that I can play with true aim just like TW11.

I don't even think I was playing on the Road to Augusta. It felt scripted like I couldn't miss.

Even if I can turn off the caddy in the final version, then what am I buying? Augusta and then I lose all my TW11 dlc courses. I think I'm skipping this year until I hear something significant.

# 49 Hurricain @ 03/09/11 10:43 PM

Alright, so after I posted I gave the demo a shot again. My wife was in the room and wanted to give it a try. This is the person who could not walk in Halo because she couldn't get the controls down.

Using the caddy she shot a -1 on the San Anton 5 holes. She then said, "Wow, this game was made for me."

I just laughed and cried inside.

I hope you can turn off the caddy before a round.

# 50 kerosene31 @ 03/09/11 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DivotMaker


	The Caddy will be able to be turned off in the full version. Again, why you sit here and bitch and moan about the game when you don't even have EA's attention here? You are wasting your time posting your comments here (no offense Steve) if you truly want to get the Devs attention. Many others posting on the EA TW forums are expressing the same criticisms and they at least have the Devs attention. You don't here.

The game is out in a few weeks and is not going to see any significant changes at this point. It is probably close to going gold if it hasn't already.

# 51 RumbleCard @ 03/09/11 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurricain


	Alright, so after I posted I gave the demo a shot again. My wife was in the room and wanted to give it a try. This is the person who could not walk in Halo because she couldn't get the controls down. Using the caddy she shot a -1 on the San Anton 5 holes. She then said, "Wow, this game was made for me." I just laughed and cried inside. I hope you can turn off the caddy before a round.

That's hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti


	I am smart guy, I'm Yosemite Dan over there. And the EA guys aren't exactly visible on the issue except to offer vague convoluted statements which they are excellent at doing. I'm posting here so I can inform other sim guys here like me that they don't waste thier money on this game that has gone right back to thier cartooney ways. And no one has confirmed anything about turning the caddie completely off in the full version. All we are getting over there is double talk about it can be disabled, which we already knew, but you're still stuck seeing the caddie's optimal shot selection staring you in the face beside your custom shot so it's hardly disabled. And even you could turn if off completely the true aim mode is still hopelessly broken if they they don't give you pin distance, elevation or club distances because you go into a hole completely blind. And no one at EA has said that these vital things will be insituted back into true aim a la TW11.

I appreciate everything you've written about the game here. I haven't really browsed this forum as much as I should have even though I planned to buy the game. I thought true aim was a huge step in the right direction last year. A few improvements here and there and I figured they could really polish it up for TW12.

This new caddy thing along with the lack of on screen information in regards to true aim I can easily say that I'm out. I won't be getting the game unless there's a substantial patch or work around for distance and elevation along with true aim.

What a disappointment.

# 52 DivotMaker @ 03/09/11 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by yesrushdt


	Civil posts seem to disappear over there for no reason.

BS...

# 53 kerosene31 @ 03/09/11 11:40 PM

The official EA forums are a train wreck. There's a reason sites like operationsports exist, so that reasonable people can come and have an intelligent discussion. As a general rule I avoid any and all "official" forums because they are usually a giant mess.

# 54 DivotMaker @ 03/09/11 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti


	LOL I honestly thought that not even you could defend EA on this bonehead design decision but you found a way. You would have to play this game 24\7 to remember elevations of every hole for all the courses or have to write them all own. You gotta be kidding me. They should be easily provided like every other golf game I've played. And the reason it isn't is because EA wants you to use the caddie exclusively and just be brain dead when you play. And what's the excuse about giving us an easy indicator of flag distance so we don't have to go leaf thru the hole overview to try and figure out. Making it incredibly user unfriendly does not make it sim. The aiming arrow I don't care about and am not complaining about that. Yeah sure you could go to club tuner and write down your distances on a piece of paper but why should we have to? And what about when you're building your golfer with XP and adding distance to the clubs regularly? You have to rewrite the distances almost daily. That's alot of paper and completely idiotic. No matter how you try and defend it, it is simply an unfinished mode that obviously got little attention and no regard how good true aim was last year and thought it needed to be dumbed down with a caddie for some inane reason. If EA was so sim about this then they should have gave us the options to recreate last year true aim which I have faint hope of happening. Why not keep it the same as last year and not give the stupid %'s which is arcadey no matter how you slice it. What real life golfer goes by %'s of his swing when playing. It becomes a game of try and swing the right % rather than full swings with lesser clubs trying to figure out carrying distances that are not given. And not to mention the overview camera with the LS that gives you a look at where your ball is supposed to land. It is lightning quick and you have no chance to see any real estate prior to where the ball lands and if you reverse from there with the D pad then you can't see trees or any other obstruction on the fairway. That will make some courses unplayable unless you use the caddie the whole time. No matter how you slice it the true aim mode was meant to be played 100% with caddie recommendations and that's why you won't be able to turn it off completely in the full version. It's hard coded into the game. And you just swinging the stick and doing no strategizing = arcade golf.

I'm not defending anything. I am stating my opinion without criticizing YOU or others who agree with you. I see things differently so far, but excuse the hell out of me for not agreeing with you.

# 55 DivotMaker @ 03/09/11 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kerosene31


	The official EA forums are a train wreck. There's a reason sites like operationsports exist, so that reasonable people can come and have an intelligent discussion. As a general rule I avoid any and all "official" forums because they are usually a giant mess.

Sorry, but the TW forums are not. And quite frankly, while a Dev "might" pop in here from time to time, the entire Dev Team are reading the feedback in the EA Tiger forums. If you truly want your criticisms heard, you need to post there. If not, c'est la vie.....

# 56 kerosene31 @ 03/09/11 11:53 PM

I know for a fact the NHL devs come here. Why not TW?

But as I said before, the game release is coming soon and all of this is moot anyway. Anything any of us say isn't going to change the final release of the game.

# 57 DivotMaker @ 03/10/11 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kerosene31


	I know for a fact the NHL devs come here. Why not TW? But as I said before, the game release is coming soon and all of this is moot anyway. Anything any of us say isn't going to change the final release of the game.

I have never seen any of the TW Dev Team post here.

And you would be surprised at what impact the feedback on the game has on the EA Tiger forums.....trust me, I have been there for 10+ years and the past several years, the community has had a big hand in new features as well as changes to the game after shipping. I do not expect this to change with TW12 as they need this game to do really well considering 11 did not do all that well.

# 58 rolltide1017 @ 03/10/11 01:23 AM

You know, this is not what I had in mind when I wished for caddies to be in the game all, these years. I guess all I really wanted was something like the referees in NCAA. Something that just added to the presentation of the game, just seeing a caddie standing next to you on the course. Never wanted some AI to do all the thinking for you.

The problem with the EA forum is that the devs don't seem to want to respond to these issues. Oh, they answer other questions but seem to ignore the 2 big issues most people have, the caddie and true-aim. Their silence speaks volumes IMO, I think it means we are stuck with it being pretty much how it is in the demo. If not, don't you think a dev would have been quick to say something like "fear not guys, you can completely disable the caddie and enable pin distances in true-aim in the full game." I mean why continue to let your community get all worked up if the retail version solves the issues? There silence tells us all we need to know.

# 59 supermanemblem @ 03/10/11 03:41 AM

Well this is what happens when too many people beg for more innovation. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

# 60 Jordanfan23 @ 03/10/11 04:46 AM

Nervously downloading the demo. I was so set on this game after playing TW10 silly and if this caddie noise is true, it is a disaster! Especially now that Augusta is FINALLY in a golf game! EA has come so far with this series too, making it much more sim like. They need to stop catering to these pre-teen, no gaming skilled, spoiled kids!!!

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