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[Seymour Scagnetti]

Quote: Originally Posted by ShivasIrons

You don't need to judge elevation when you zoom in for your shot? I have not seen that in the demo, but it's hard to tell as there is not a huge amount of elevation on the demo holes. I would be surprised if that is an accurate statement. And, that last statement is a heck of a thing to post to someone, who has only played the demo and is seeking more info. "Sorry you don't like TW12. See ya next year.". But, that certainly seems to accurately reflect the EA attitude.

The 18th hole at Augusta has an elevated green, well at least is seems to when I play it. If i play an iron that is pin high I won't even hit the green so I have to hit at least a club or two lower and my aimng zone shows the back of the green for that lower club selection, even the caddie shot reflects that.

I'm not sure why Divotmaker said that because elevation is a factor unless it's changed in the full game making it even more arcadish at which point I will cancel my pre-order with 100% certainty rather than debating the notion of doing it at the present time.

[ShivasIrons]

Quote: Originally Posted by rangerrick012

Well I went back and played the TW 11 demo (since I didn't buy TW 11). And to me true aim on TW 11 is a bit easier. Noted I did play w/ the putt meter on in the demo, but it still seemed easier than TW 12 demo true aim. Having the elevations given to you instead of having to judge it yourself does seem easier IMO. Like I've said in previous posts, having the caddy there is an annoyance, but it's still within you as a player to hit the shots. I guess my own 'house rule' so to speak has been that I haven't been using shot practice, except for on putts. Every other shot I just leave it to myself to judge the percentage on the first swing. And you can still pretty much aim wherever you want in TW 11, the only difference is the zoom.

Like I posted above, there is no "true aim" in TW12 demo or in TW12 from what have I read and heard. It's all zoomed aiming and zoomed adjustment of shots (draw, fade, loft). Aiming is done from a zoomed perspective. There are some other new features which will perhaps make the game play harder from a scoring perspective (ex vertical random landing), and some of those are good additions.

But, what's more realistic -- aiming truly from the perspective of the golfer on the tee as in TW11 True Aim, or -- zoomed aiming and zoomed application of draw, fade, loft, etc?

I'm still getting TW12. There are a lot of good additions over 11. No putt meter online. Vertical random landing. Landing circles gone online. Option to turn green grid off in online games (will have to see if that's playable - it wasn't last year in the game, imo). I played 11 the last few months online with others and using the honor system we did not use focus, had no putt meter and had reduced club distances thru tuning. And, TW 12 will be an improvement over that. The disappointment to me was going back to the more unrealistic zoomed aiming/adjustment of shots, esp when many thought true aim would be put online in TW12. But, like I said, there is nothing "true" or realistic about the zoomed aiming in TW 12 Tournament mode. Is it a reason not to get the game? Not for me. But, perhaps for some. It is a reason to be disappointed in one aspect though.

[ShivasIrons]

Quote: Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti

The 18th hole at Augusta has an elevated green, well at least is seems to when I play it. If i play an iron that is pin high I won't even hit the green so I have to hit at least a club or two lower and my aimng zone shows the back of the green for that lower club selection, even the caddie shot reflects that. I'm not sure why Divotmaker said that because elevation is a factor unless it's changed in the full game making it even more arcadish at which point I will cancel my pre-order with 100% certainty rather than debating the notion of doing it at the present time.

From my playing of that hole, I have to agree with you. I remember adjusting my zoomed target to account for elevation. But, like I said, it will be easier to know for sure after getting to play the full game on all the courses, ESP those with more severe elevation changes.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rules

If you are not getting the game then go over to EA's forum to let them know as I have never seen any of their devs here so your cries will go unheard. Not trying to be mean but for the love of golf.....GET OVER IT.

Actually I've opened a thread on the EA forum with a simple request as to whether we will get a patch to at least disable the caddie box. The thread is just requesting an answer as whether we are or not. If it's yes then great, if it's no then fine, but at least give us an answer one way or the other so alot of us can know before Tuesday.

If they were going to issue a patch for anything they would have to at least start working on it now because it takes several weeks for it to get certified by Sony and Microsoft and they can add stuff as the game comes out and bugs are discovered.

Last year the patch came out about a month after the game so it's logical to assume thay have made a decision one way or the other regarding the caddie box because they know the negative feedback from thier forums and don't need the full game to gauge it any further as the full game is exactly like the demo for the caddie feature.

Look at Nascar 2011, the game comes out the same day and they have already announced that a patch will be issued in the future with the 2011 scoring system. That's what important for alot of sim gamers and now that they know that, they will buy the game. And even if they announced that they wouldn't patch in the 2011 points system, they showed enough respect to the community to give us an answer yes or no, before the game came out.

I made the EA thread 2 days ago and have yet to get a response by any devs on there. I guess that shows you right there how much respect these guys have for the community. I'll be shocked if I do get a response other than the standard "we are looking into it" crap.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Quote: Originally Posted by ShivasIrons

From my playing of that hole, I have to agree with you. I remember adjusting my zoomed target to account for elevation. But, like I said, it will be easier to know for sure after getting to play the full game on all the courses, ESP those with more severe elevation changes.

If you get the game, go to the par 3, 7th hole at Pebble Beach for the quickest and easiest indicator about elevation factor. You have to go at least 2 clubs higher with that hole and you will be able to easily tell whether it's a factor if your ball ends up in the ocean.

[rangerrick012]

Quote: Originally Posted by ShivasIrons

Like I posted above, there is no "true aim" in TW12 demo or in TW12 from what have I read and heard. It's all zoomed aiming and zoomed adjustment of shots (draw, fade, loft). Aiming is done from a zoomed perspective. There are some other new features which will perhaps make the game play harder from a scoring perspective (ex vertical random landing), and some of those are good additions. But, what's more realistic -- aiming truly from the perspective of the golfer on the tee as in TW11 True Aim, or -- zoomed aiming and zoomed application of draw, fade, loft, etc? I'm still getting TW12. There are a lot of good additions over 11. No putt meter online. Vertical random landing. Landing circles gone online. Option to turn green grid off in online games (will have to see if that's playable - it wasn't last year in the game, imo). I played 11 the last few months online with others and using the honor system we did not use focus, had no putt meter and had reduced club distances thru tuning. And, TW 12 will be an improvement over that. The disappointment to me was going back to the more unrealistic zoomed aiming/adjustment of shots, esp when many thought true aim would be put online in TW12. But, like I said, there is nothing "true" or realistic about the zoomed aiming in TW 12 Tournament mode. Is it a reason not to get the game? Not for me. But, perhaps for some. It is a reason to be disappointed in one aspect though.

To me it's no different. TW11 you still can zoom, adjust, zoom again, adjust, to your heart's content. It's not really that much of a difference, at least not as much as you're making it seem. The only way to make it really 'true aim' would be to take the option for zoom away entirely. But like I said, TW11 you can still zoom as much as you want. And you also are given the elevations instead of judging them yourself, which to me makes things a bit easier.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Quote: Originally Posted by rangerrick012

To me it's no different. TW11 you still can zoom, adjust, zoom again, adjust, to your heart's content. It's not really that much of a difference, at least not as much as you're making it seem. The only way to make it really 'true aim' would be to take the option for zoom away entirely. But like I said, TW11 you can still zoom as much as you want. And you also are given the elevations instead of judging them yourself, which to me makes things a bit easier.

Yes in TW11 you can zoom in and view the landing area but are still making aiming adjustments from the tee box, (it didn't allow you to aim your shot from that view) so you have to make note of trees or bunkers in zoom view that you can't really see clearly from the tee box. It feels like you are really golfing from the golfer perspective and added a level of immersion in true aim that is sorely lacking in TW12 because it makes you pinpoint your landing area from the zoomed view rather than the tee box.

[Rules]

Quote: Originally Posted by Seymour Scagnetti

Actually I've opened a thread on the EA forum with a simple request as to whether we will get a patch to at least disable the caddie box. The thread is just requesting an answer as whether we are or not. If it's yes then great, if it's no then fine, but at least give us an answer one way or the other so alot of us can know before Tuesday. If they were going to issue a patch for anything they would have to at least start working on it now because it takes several weeks for it to get certified by Sony and Microsoft and they can add stuff as the game comes out and bugs are discovered. Last year the patch came out about a month after the game so it's logical to assume thay have made a decision one way or the other regarding the caddie box because they know the negative feedback from thier forums and don't need the full game to gauge it any further as the full game is exactly like the demo for the caddie feature. Look at Nascar 2011, the game comes out the same day and they have already announced that a patch will be issued in the future with the 2011 scoring system. That's what important for alot of sim gamers and now that they know that, they will buy the game. And even if they announced that they wouldn't patch in the 2011 points system, they showed enough respect to the community to give us an answer yes or no, before the game came out. I made the EA thread 2 days ago and have yet to get a response by any devs on there. I guess that shows you right there how much respect these guys have for the community. I'll be shocked if I do get a response other than the standard "we are looking into it" crap.

I've been reading the posts over there and the Devs haven't really responded to anything. I really don't like that as people need answers to make a sound decision. In my opinion their silence is deafening. Speaks volumes when you don't inform the public concerning one way or another. I personally take it as they don't care but that is just me.